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9 minutes ago, foxbat said:
Of interest is the notion that somehow or another parochial schools "steal" the public school talent, but as you pointed out, many of these kids are parishioners before they ever attend any school; public or private.
100% agree. Also of interest is 30 8th graders attend St (insert parochial elementary) and 10 of them attend (insert Parochial Deanery High School) 20 of them do not and attend (insert local Public Township High School) would those be considered stolen from the Parochial School?
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14 hours ago, superjay said:
Affiliation doesn’t necessarily mean they went to school there. I see a player listed at a specific parish than never went to school there. That’s a bit misleading.
What is misleading? If they are a member of a parish they are a member of a parish. I am sure there are kids that attend the local township school and are members of the parish yet attend the Parochial High School when the time comes. There are also kids that attend the parish school but when it comes time for High School they attend the local Township school instead of the Parish Parochial High School. Is there a difference or should it only work one way?
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8 minutes ago, Locky said:
That's the not issue. You don't takes off to add these kids on. You start with these kids on. Meeting starts, Hey this kid is playing in the Big 10. Hes on the team, 49 to go. Would we even be having this conversation if they didn't play in Hammond and Gary. If they were at Andrean or Merrillville I'm betting they were Top 50 kids.
Like I said just because they are recruited by Big Ten or any D-1 school due to (Size or Potential meaning they haven't proven anything) doesn't make you toss them on the Top 50
For De'Eric Mister I would not replace one of these players. Yes they aren't 6'8" but they have proven on the field with terrific competition what they can do. Even if a D-1 Big Ten school hasn't offered them jut because they are 6' 8" and have so called potential (which doesn't always work out)
I also would replace
for Jordan Woods because he is going to Eastern Illinois as WR. Some of the WR on the list are going to bigger schools than Eastern Illinois anyway.
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5 hours ago, Locky said:
How are division 1 players left off the top 50 list? I understand these meetings have 10 coaches in them and they promote their guys, but does the meeting not start by automatically saying these kids have d1 offers, they are top 50? Coaches that are paid for a living to coach football think a kid is good enough, so how come high school coaches don't agree?
De'Eric Mister from Gary West Side is 6'8 and committed to Minnesota and not top 50.
Any other players d1 and not top 50?
4 hours ago, Locky said:wow just saw this article. Another kid with a d1 offer and not top 50 all state. Quick twitter search and he had a Colorado state offer as well.
The more logical and biggest question. Who would you like to see removed to add the 2 players you mention? It is easy to say this player has D-1 this (insert whatever), but what Top 50 player do you feel should be removed to make room for them and why. Just because they are a D-1 recruit? LOok at it from that aspect. I will tell you there are kids that get D-1 offers off of their size and potential that haven't produced like others that don't have D-1 offers.
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2 hours ago, foxbat said:
In Tippecanoe county there are some 190,000 people. About 12% of those are Catholic. That gives you over 20,000 Catholics just in the county. By the latest IHSAA numbers, LCC has 296 students. That's a lot of Catholics roaming public school hallways.
That will NEVER be accounted for! It is so quick to bring up the "recruiting" aspect even though in Indy recruiting students is a must (see every HS that puts a flyer out. What gets missed is kids that went to P/P elementary yet didn't attend a high school be it feeder or Private. When you talk Indianapolis there are plenty of kids attending Ben Davis, Warren Central, and yes Center Grove that attended a Catholic elementary school that is a feeder to P/P High School it just doesn't get talked about (do to agenda mostly).
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Plenty of highlights of Hansen defensively, O-lineman opening holes, and him doing work downfield.
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On 12/8/2022 at 8:58 AM, Goose Liver said:
Pee Wee Herman could get the job done with that line.
For the first 3-5 yards maybe. After that Pee Wee Herman would have to learn to stiff arm, spin move, break tackles, keep moving his feet, or dive for extra yardage. Yes Offensive Lineman are crucial (Hansen and Coyle had a great benefit from their O-line), but there are things done downfield that get extra yardage.
Then again you have RB's like Barry Sanders that have to break 5 tackles in the backfield without an O-line and still get 15, 20, 30+ yard gains!!
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1 hour ago, ragdoll said:
I was anticipating this accomplishment. Coach Ginn and team. Having had a friend who played for a parochial in Cleveland (he was from a broken family and the sisters made sure he got directed to the right football school) and a friend who played at Massillon (both early 80's), I realized how big this title would be for Glenville and Cleveland.
Coach Ted Ginn Sr has people that have mixed feelings for him. Personally I commend Coach Ginn Sr. regardless what anyone feels about him. He has dedicated himself to the not so great areas of Cleveland being a Father Figure, Role Model, and Coach to manny less fortunate young men in both Football and Track & Field. I am extremely happy for him! They have been so close at Glenville and have finally accomplished it in Football! Aside from that the nickname "Tarblooders" is so awesome!
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1 hour ago, Bobref said:
Very classy move by Hamilton Southeastern. Outstanding sportsmanship. Kudos to them.
HSE donates semi-state money to memorial fund for Carroll H.S. student
The Royals lost to Carroll in a Class 6A semi-state game last month.
FISHERS, Ind. — Despite a heartbreaking loss in their semi-state football game last month, Hamilton Southeastern scored a win with a show of sportsmanship after the game.
The Royals lost to Carroll High School from Fort Wayne, 21-15, on Nov. 18. The Chargers had dedicated their season to the memory of Owen Scheele, who died this summer after a brief battle with cancer.
According to WPTA-TV, Hamilton Southeastern donated a portion of the money they received from the IHSAA for reaching semi-states to the Owen Scheele Memorial Fund, which was created to "allow Owen to touch lives in his community for many years."
“Obviously, our outcome on that night was what we wanted, it wasn’t what they wanted,” said Carroll High School athletic director Dan Ginder. “But they were still able to celebrate the life of Owen with us.”
Carroll's run ended with a loss to Center Grove in the Class 6A state championship game, but Ginder said HSE's gesture shows the amazing side of sports that goes beyond wins and losses.
Amen!
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15 hours ago, BTF said:
I think Snider's a different team on turf in the friendly confines of Lucas Oil than they are in a snow storm blowing toward their sideline. I think Roncalli and New Pal use their size to their advantage in inclement weather conditions and beat Snider by two touchdowns, yes. Not sure I'm buying it though in good weather conditions. Snider has too many weapons in the skill positions to allow themselves to get blown out.
I a million percent agree Snider is a different team on turf in Lucas Oil. I might take turf out of the equation (not many grass fields left anymore). I will say though over the last 5 years (while New Pal and Roncalli have had big Offensive Lines) you would be surprised at the speed both teams actually have had and do currently have. Especially New Pal there have been several players for the Dragons that are deceptively fast. Maxson Hook was definitely one of the most deceptively quick and fast football players I have watched in a long time. Even Spegal surprised people with his open field speed against some pretty elite speed guys (Tracy's at Decatur Central).
Even in that 2015-16 State Championship game that Snider beat New Pal 64-61 it kind of turned into a track meet. I personally think (this is just me) that there are a few teams that can do it both ways pound it out in inclement weather or hit with speed in perfect weather Roncalli, New Pal, and East Central would have been in that category. In all fairness I did not get to see much of Snider this year.
I do know watching Valpo in the State Championship game. They had a big Offensive Line but their RB Travis Davis had some excellent speed and quickness (I personally love the way he hit the holes like raging bull).
Another team that really boosted their speed to me is Center Grove since Eric Moore became the Head Coach. Early on there was a lot more speed out of Warren Central and Ben Davis. CG stayed in games with them with their Wing T offense using some deception. Now I would say I don't see much difference in speed between CG and Ben Davis and Warren Central. Credit for that goes to Coach Moore and his emphasis on speed and agility because he is also their Track coach.
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13 minutes ago, BTF said:
Lol. To say Memorial and Reitz would beat Snider, Valpo, Whiteland, Merrillville, and North Side is an absolute stretch. I have my doubts about New Pal as well. I think East Central and Roncalli would have been favored however. Not saying they'd win, just saying they'd be favored. It's all speculation. Unfortunately those in Central and South will just have to deal with the fact that Valpo is the best time in the second biggest division. Hard pill to swallow, I know. Northern football is good. See the Carroll/HSE score.
A New Pal team minus key injuries can provide doubts. With players like Grayson Thomas they were just as much capable as Roncalli and East Central.
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On 12/5/2022 at 6:41 PM, Bobref said:
As always, today is a great day to be an Eagle!
Perspective can be everything. Positive if you are a St. Ed's fan/alumni, painful if you are a Notre Dame fan/Alumni. You are both @Bobref makes it pretty confusing! 😂🤣
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18 minutes ago, The TW said:
I’m a big fan of RebelDad and his sons (whole family for that matter!). I actually returned to Roncalli as the offensive line coach in 2020. However, after meeting with Sam Otley for about twenty minutes, it became very apparent that he should be the guy and I should serve as his assistant. It’s hard to argue with the results.
I can’t see him ever leaving Roncalli, but Sam is one of the sharpest football minds I have been around. He will make a great head coach when given the opportunity.Yes! RebelDad is a great man with a great family! I had been out of the loop for a little bit, just saw the role KB has at Roncalli extremely happy for him and now ole RebelDad should be changed to RebelGranddad (a role I know he is proud to carry).
I am telling you TW some of these O-line guys are really making big splashes with their football minds. It is evident at many levels! Just an example I remember watching Kyle Ralph play in his HS days at St. X (fortunately that St. X was playing some Indiana teams then). Like New Pal or hate them listening to Coach Ralph talk Offense is impressive and he isn't the only one!
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On 12/5/2022 at 3:53 PM, Donnie Baker said:
Look on the Indiana high school football page
When are you and Randy gonna get Dee Tee's a job with you, then you guys can start a youtube channel!
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On 12/5/2022 at 9:07 PM, Donnie Baker said:
Who’s your daddy?
Come on Donnie you are slackin' on your spellin'! You know it's Hoosier Daddy!
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13 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:
Yet he hasn't provided a name...I know someone who was there and he said...... Well, consider the case closed.
Congratulations you have an opinion....as does the free world.
You have no idea how I feel, so stop representing me and others on GID. Speak for yourself and yourself only. Can you do that?
Ok White Goodman move along.
13 hours ago, The TW said:Correct on all accounts, sir (although my current knowledge of offensive line play is suspect at best).
Just antiquated that's what happens as you and I get older!🤣
Bet you could still diagram the several blocking schemes on the Power Toss though! #HurricaneScifres (just throwing it back a little)
Honestly though glad all is well TW. Now if I can just get RebelDad to make an appearance! He and I have had some great person to person talks!
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34 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:
I don't care who made the comment on GID or their history....and I don't buy the "I have a source in the room as proof, but cannot name him". Sorry, you can believe all you want and since it meets your narrative, I assume you will. I don't really care what you do....CG has a history of some kids winning awards and other kids just as deserving that didn't earn them. Interesting now how CG coaching is now able to influence awards, giving them to the undeserving. That's pure hogwash.
You believe how you want to believe....I have no help for you.
He also flat out told you that you can reach out and ask another Coach that was in the room.
I have no narrative, I flat out stated Coyle is a great kid had a great season, but Hansen deserved the RB position award.
You feel he doesn't the difference is you have rose colored glasses and are obviously a Center Grove fan and your guy won it. I on the other hand have no ties with Roncalli not even close, just calling it as I see it.
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3 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:
oh jeesh.....now you are resorting to throwing teammates under the bus. It was bad enough when you stated one player carried the team to half of their victories, as that totally diminishes the TEAM. Any RB would tell you his success is dependent on the line in front of him opening holes. This game always had and will always be won on the LOS. And I say that as a former skills player and having a son as a skills player.
Serious question....did you ever play the game? I ask, because some of your comments that completely ignore the concept of TEAM absolutely confuse me.
Come on man if you can't tell that was a comment in jest and had some sarcasm built into it, I have no help for you.
I think everyone on here knows how important Offensive Line play is. That being said there are thing that certain RB's do down field after that first 3-5 yards that are on their own merits. Of course their O-line play is crucial. Hansen and Coyle were of benefit of terrific O-line's so that is moot.
2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:Obtuse? Someone has been watching Shawshank Redemption reruns lately
Nope probably haven't seen the movie in at least 10 years. Probably won't for awhile either.
37 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:obviously an unnamed source.....😏
Unsure how long you've been around the GID, but I have been around long enough to see @The TW on here from some archaic message board iterations (heck even the Horde vs Driven T days), even though he like to disappear and reappear on occasions 🤣. Some things I do know is he is and always has been very honest on these boards, has some coaching experience (heck I me be pulling out the old memory cells but I think at one time at Broad Ripple HS, he will have to tell me if I am going senile), and for safe measure I am pretty sure he knows a thing or two about Offensive Line play. You don't have to take him for his word, but he has no reason to make it up.
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13 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:
Question for you? Does every Heisman winning RB always lead the nation in rushing and TD's? Same for the Doak Walker award? Does every Heisman winning QB always lead the nation in passing yardage, passing TD's, etc.? Same for the Davey O'Brien award? Is it truly only about pure stats? If it were, it would make it very simple and it would take any guess out of the award. We could throw out different levels of competition, impact to the team, etc. Just stats....nothing else.
Sounds a tad boring and also not an accurate assessment of the best player at the position...but to each his own.
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Don't be obtuse Using the Heisman trophy to compare to the Indiana High School RB position award is not an apples to apples comparison. When it comes to Doak Walker (the College RB award) no it does not always go to the leading rusher in college football you are correct. It also does not go to a RB that has 1,008 less rushing yards and 13 less TD's than the leading rusher. It isn't just stats either as Hansen definitely is an impactful player for his team otherwise they wouldn't have given him the ball 420 plus times.
Heck he had 41 carries 204 yards and 3 TD's in an OT loss by a FG in the Semi-State. To top it off anyone who wants to say he only has those yards because of his Offensive Line has not watched his game film. Yes his Offensive Line was terrific, but he has broken plenty of tackles in the backfield and downfield to earn those yards.
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46 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:
My point is that you were downplaying Yeast not winning Mr. Football and that's not right.
You and I have a different definition for the word "travesty". Not receiving an award doesn't fit my definition of travesty. If it fits yours, consider yourself very, very fortunate.
I stated that Yeast did not win Mr. Football over another terrific player with very good stats, but he at least won a position award. Hansen did not get the RB position award while have 1,008 more yards rushing and 13 more TD's than the player that did get the position award and will not be able to be in the running for Mr. Football (huge difference). I typed it out very clearly and posted the statistics for a position award.
Would you rather me use absurd. I don't know what your definition of travesty is, but I think you would be surprised at how it can fit.
Difference is you are a Center Grove fan so you have no problem with one. I am not even close to a Roncalli fan.
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1 hour ago, Grover said:
Coyle did not replace Wheat. They would have been in the backfield together.
I didn't state that Coyle replaced Wheat, I said he stepped up taking a bulk of the load. I also stated Thomeson was moved from defense to offense.
1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:We shall absolutely agree to disagree with that comment. Yeast was named the Indiana Gatorade Player of the Year, but lost votes for Mr. Football (not position player) because he was a one year Indiana high school player...even though the award is for a senior year only.
None of these are "travesties"....but downplaying one issue over another isn't right either.
Gatorade Player of the Year and Mr. Football are 2 different awards by two different entities and they are not one in the same.
The difference is Yeast was at least voted as a position award winner and Hansen was not. Directly why I say it is a travesty. He (Hansen will not even have the opportunity to be up for Mr. Football because he was not a position award winner. It is a joke and he 100% had the statistics at RB to win the RB position award.
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Edit:
Disregard my previous post. Didn't realize Juniors could make the Top 50
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9 hours ago, Slobberknocker said:
So you say CG would have won state without Coyle and my statement is false. Also, if I had a vote I would of voted for Hansen.
Yes they would have. Coyle great kid and had a terrific season. I would bet money there are 3 other RB's behind him that know Coach Moore's Wing T system and can run it in their sleep (they've only been doing it since the 2nd or 3rd grade). Wheat went down Coyle stepped up. Thomeson was moved from defense to offense.
Regardless of any of that Hansen still had 1,008 more rushing yards in 1 less game (and yes the dogs were called off in games at Roncalli too just like CG) and 13 more TD's. Both were even in receiving yards as well. ANyone that says stats don't matter for a position award is fooling themselves While some CG fans were very upset Russ Yeast did not win Mr. Football over Hunter Johnson, that was less of a travesty than Luke Hansen not being the RB award and it isn't even to the Mr. Football award.
When talking schedule strength do NOT use Sagarin as Sagarin does not take Out of State opponents into consideration (good or bad). If you want to debate Strength of Schedule you should look at Calpreps (which takes all opponents into consideration). Roncalli's SOS was 20.5 and Center Grove's was 36.8 (lower the number better the SOS) Roncalli's opponents were 108-62 Center Grove's were 83-74. (Shortridge, Attucks, and Southport definitely brought down Roncalli's SOS both teams had no choice in who they played especially in the Tournament).
It can be spun however anyone wants but this was one of the biggest travesty moments for the position awards. I take nothing away from Coyle as he is a good kid and good football player, but he wasn't better than Hansen this year. Yes the CG fans would be super upset if the roles were reversed and that was evident from the year Russ Yeast didn't win it over Hunter Johnson (which was even less of a travesty because Yeast at least got the position award).
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5 minutes ago, HomeCookin said:
I don’t know Hansen’s stats in the playoffs, but Coyle rushed for 918yds and 11 touchdowns. 4 TD’s against Warren Central and Cathedral. Stepped up when it really counted against top level competition.
Hansen had 195 yards against New Palestine. Had 204 yards and 3 TD's in an OT loss against East Central in Semi-State. I think he did pretty well for himself. Not to mention had big games against some good Out of State Competition like Male (KY) 316 yds 4 TD's and Elder (OH) 221 yds. Not to mention he played defense too with a good amount of TFL's
Mark Bless Retires from Avon
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
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Yes sir! Coaching stints at North Vermillion, Mooresville, and Avon. Great man a terrific coach with character and even better role model for students he coached and taught. I was hoping he would get to the State Championship in 2015 and win one, he was very close! Regardless he was a great man on the gridiron and even better man away from the gridiron! I wish him the best in his retirement it is well deserved!