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1 hour ago, Grover said:

I had the same thought.  Not a shot at Andrean but it's a fair question given that they are leaving now.  There are parents & coaches who steer kids to programs with big time uncommitted recruits because that's where the scouts will be.  Did they go to Andrean because of Bowen and are transferring now for something similar?  

sounds like athletic transfer reasons to me which would be a no no by the IHSAA.

Bowen

vs Merrillville

8 car 29 yds 0 TD 1 Rec 9 yd 0 TD

9 solo  7 asst (16 total) 2 TFL

vs Crown Point

12 Car 64 yds 0 TD

5 solo 3 Asst (8 total) 2 TFL

Hansen

vs Chatard

47 car 233 yds 2 TD 2 Rec 3 yds

1 Asst (1 total)

vs Brebeuf 1

43 car 261 yds 4 TD

5 Asst (5 total) 0.5 TF

vs Male (KY)

37 car 316 yds 4 TD 2 Rec 8 yds

1 Asst (1 total)

vs Elder (OH)

34 car 221 yds 1 TD 1 Rec 10 yds 1 TD

2 Solo 2 Asst (4 Total) 2 TFL

vs East Central 1 

29 car 120 yds

4 Solo 2 sst (6 total) 1 TFL

vs Brebeuf 2

29 car 138 yds 1 Rec 16 yds

4 solo 6 Asst (total)10  5.5 TFL

vs New Palestine

34 car 195 yds 1 TD

2 solo 2 asst 1 TFL]

vs East Central 2

34 car 195 yds 3 TD

2 solo 2 Asst 1 TFL

46 minutes ago, Playmaker said:

Had 8 for 29 against merriville with 16 tackles 2 for loss and a sack

had 12 for 60 some against CP with 8 tackles 2 for loss and fumble recovery

they threw a lot both games

1.) theyre both good players and will probably be 1 and 2…I just think it’s Bowen’s… 2.)does it both sides of the ball…3.)has about half the carries as Hanson and definitely doesn’t have the line he does which is possibly the best in the state

1 - Yes they are and both will be heavy contenders

2 - As does Hansen on both sides of the ball. Just not as often and not the same position.

3 - he does have half the carries also has half the yards and plays half the competition (my personal opinion). Has a great line, but most great RB's do (name me one great RB over the last 20 years that didn't have a great O-line). Regardless how good Roncalli;s line was. the best in the State was most likely New Palestine's but Roncalli's D-line put them to the test. 

59 minutes ago, temptation said:

To be fair on the opposing side, East Central's schedule is not exactly murderer's row either...

No it is not. Regardless they have had a terrific defense for several years now. Their games against Lawrenceburg, Harrison OH (a rival like Roncalli vs Chatard), Moeller, and Roncalli are no cake walks. Just like New Pal regardless what their schedule is they still bring it offensively and defensively and have for several years with close games against: Roncalli, Ev Reitz, Columbus East, etc.

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yes.  I will probably get criticized for saying this but level of competition has to matter at some point, especially if you are going to use stats as your main reasoning.

What were Bowen's stats against Merrillville and Crown Point?

It won't let me edit my post but here is the 4A Statistical leaders for defense

I will look up Bowens stats against Merrillville and Crown Point later.

10 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Luke Hansen is an incredible High School football player however, it will be hard to unseat Bowen 

3 minutes ago, Playmaker said:

If we talk semi state…I’ll take Bowen and his 34 carries for 358 and 5 TDs (in not even 4 quarters) plus the win!
 

unfortunately couldn’t get in done over the weekend though…still gotta say it’s his to win!

 

I don't believe I said "win" I specifically said Hansen has made his case for Mr. Football. I 100% believe in that statement. 

I will say rushing for 358 yds and 5 TD's is very good, I don't think however there is much of a comparison between FW Luers defense and East Central's defense. Both will be candidates. Here are their stats because many may not know Hansen also played defense just not to the extent Bowen did.

Offense:

Drayk Bowen

242 Carries 1,784 Yards 26 TD

10 Rec 228 Yards 3TD

Luke Hansen

428 Carries 3,080 Yards 35 TD

9 Rec 111 Yards 2 TD

Defense:

Drayk Bowen

90 Solo 54 Asst 144 Total tackles 19 TFL 5 Sacks 2 Int 1 FR

Luke Hansen

17 Solo 27 Asst 44 Total 15 TFL 6 Sacks

I fail to see where the news is actually breaking? With no links or story sounds like just a rumor which is frowned upon on the GID. Even if true is it super important or breaking. If the WR were Tyreek Hill, the Safety Ed Reed then I could see it being important breaking news.

On 11/11/2022 at 10:31 PM, fenderbender said:

I ran out of allowed likes on posts, so my like does not show up on this one.  
 

the kid from Andrean is a star, but what the heck does Hansen have to do to win it?   If he manages to carry Roncalli over EC next weekend, he willl run for 400 yards against whoever comes out of the north

I think Luke Hansen has done plenty to make a case for Mr. Football. He didn't manage to carry Roncalli over East Central in the Semi-State losing in OT by a FG 24-21, but he did run the ball 41 times for 204 yards and 3 TD's. Which was a pretty impressive game to me. 

East Central and Roncalli were very evenly matched and made for 2 outstanding games! Week 9 in St. Leon Roncalli 21 East Central 19 and Week 14 in St. Leon East Central 24 Roncalli 21 in OT. Rushing for 204 yards and 3 TD's against the EC Defense is very impressive, just like Ringer rushing for 150 and Brotherton 75 against Roncalli's defense was impressive. I knew whomever would win that game (East Central and Roncalli) would win the State Championship easily. I also would say it was a 3 team race East Central, Roncalli, and New Palestine (if New Pal's RB had not been hurt) and all 3 of them ran the ball very very well.

11 hours ago, dazed and confused said:

Im confused.... why are some # and some ( ) ?

I believe the "#" is the teams Nationally ranked and the "( )" is the particular State's ranking.

21 hours ago, Lysander said:

History might say, “Pot meet kettle” as regards Chatard passing the ball - or, more accurately, not passing the ball.  Chatard won 7 State Championships between 2003-2013 under Coach Lorenzano arguably being the MOST one dimensional team in the State.  I can recall a Regional game in 2009 v. Batesville where he threw the ball once near the end zone and it was intercepted and almost returned for a TD.  It was the last pass of the game (maybe the only one).

He had 2 backs with over 200 running yards each that game.  That system worked well for Coach L.  Coach Doyle has really changed it up these days at Chatard.

With regard to Lawrenceburg, they graduated an incredibly talented QB/receiver duo just last year.

Agreed 100% it wasn't too long ago that you had Chatard (with Coach Lorenzano) and Roncalli (with Coach Scifres) that ran the ball until you stopped it and occasionally threw a pass. I still have visions of the Roncalli power toss that they would run at you relentlessly with 6 different ways to block it! They were not the only teams with primary run offense. Warren Central under Kevin Wright (talk about a dominant run game just ask @BobrefI think Desmond Tardy extended his crews officiating career by 3 years keeping them in shape against Penn), Sheridan was run heavy, Monrovia (with the belly offense with Coach Hutchins he had a ton of experience with that offense from Coach Harpold), Center Grove (Coach Moore's Wing T it's only been recently they have been throwing the ball around a bit more). 

Modern offense is definitely the way of spread offense and run pass option. Being able to throw the ball is great some years, when the weather gets bad in October and November some years running the ball is a must. Snow and rain are great to have a run game, but really this year we had a couple of tournament dates where the wind didn't lend well to the passing teams (Regionals and Semi-State). In some cases sticking with a run game would have benefited teams that lost in the Semi-State. Now when you get into Lucas Oil with perfect weather you can have both passing and running, but most teams will just stick with what got them there.

On 11/26/2022 at 10:07 AM, hhpatriot04 said:

Depends if you're playing Man or Zone under the safeties. 

Base Cover 2 is a "Zone" defense. There are variations Cover 2 Man Under (which would be man coverage), Tampa 2 (same as Cover 2 except MLB covers deep middle). Base Cover 2 is a full zone defense.

9 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Also known as "Cover 1." Man is basically describing what the non-safeties do... Cover 0 (everyone including safeties are in man), Cover 1 (all but one defender is in man, the safety), Cover 2 (all but two defenders are in man, two safeties), etc...

This is not accurate on Cover 2. In Cover 2 the safeties are in deep coverage splitting the field in half, The corners cover the flats, corners and LB's are playing zone underneath. Cover 5 would be the coverage to have 2 deep safeties covering half the field and the CB's and LB's playing man coverage.

Congratulations to Carroll (FW) on a terrific season. Congratulations to Center Grove on what I would call one of their more impressive seasons.

I took a lot of guff for stating that I thought CG would handle Carroll rather easily. It is what it is I only call it as I see it, with Carroll (FW) having that close of a game with Laf. Jeff. (whom Cathedral had beaten rather handily) I felt Center Grove would have no problem with Carroll. It had nothing to do with making the safe pick that didn't even come into my thought process. No matter what HSE was built up to be, they deserved the #1 ranking because they actually beat the #1 team in the regular season. I still am adamant I believe HSE would have lost to Brownsburg by 2 or 3 TD's had Brownsburg's QB (Whitaker) not been injured before halftime and sat the entire half. That being said regardless HSE nor Brownsburg were playing at CG level they had during the playoffs. I know some wanted to bring up CG having a close game with Franklin Central, well FC had a solid defense and their Head Coach Jason West is VERY familiar with CG having coached against them several years at WC.

I will say Coach Moore is the ultimate motivator. He stated one thing himself when he stated Center Grove never was ranked #1 this year. They were the defending State Champs yet never were ranked #1 even when their lone loss at one point was to Louisville Kentucky. You better believe Coach Moore likely motivated his team throughout by using this. He also has been on record as saying they needed the loss to Cathedral to use as a learning tool and motivation. Not just the loss itself but likely the way they lost in a comeback 4th quarter fashion. Another motivational tool to make himself, his coaches, and his players better. One of the more impressive seasons by Coach Moore and his staff and coaching their players to be better. BTW what a call and decision to move Thomeson (SP?) from defense to RB after the loss of Wheat. While Coyle may have been a focus, he totally dominated that game.

Last but not least for future reference players getting hurt has nothing to do with opposing team just hits harder. I truly hate that thinking. Injuries happen and can happen in a multitude of ways which has nothing to do with the physicality or hitting of an opposing team. Injuries can be freak accidents to be honest.

27 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I'm on board with your statement. I've always said its less about school enrollment size and more about roster size.  I have always stated Cathedral should simply remain in 6A, given they are consistently one of the top programs in 6A.  

Didn't do a great job of disagreeing about Indy area private schools not being included in this discussion.  

Cathedral's roster hasn't always been as large as it is now. If you look at their 1992 (3A) roster compared to 1996 (4A) you will be very surprised at the difference. Of course now they have a huge roster.

12 hours ago, BL1985trojans said:

This is incorrect…

They are 2-2.  Losing in 93 (to a great Brickie team) and in 15 (Dwenger).  
 

 

Thank you for posting that it would not let me edit. I passed up the 2015 loss completely. I was about to edit and include the 1993 loss.

15 minutes ago, BTF said:

Penn is a bad example. It was just a few years ago that they embarrassed Carmel and this year they were leading Cathedral in the 3rd quarter. Elkhart is a brand new school, they won't win state overnight. Someone from the Region will have to tell you why Lake Central is bad. 

And no one ever said it was all about numbers. Numbers is just a major contributing factor. 

That is a total made up fabrication. 

Cathedral led at halftime 14-13 and scored 14 points in the 3rd qtr.

I've already mentioned the Irish leading rusher Carson Johnson 990 yards rushing did not play due to injury, and top TE Brennan Wooten 484 rec yards 8 TD's was out with an injury suffered against Brownsburg.

It was tight early Cathedral took the lead at halftime. The game was never in doubt Cathedral led 35-13 with 10 minutes left in the 4th qtr. Penn scored and got the 2pt conversion with under 2 minutes to go in the 4th qtr making it 35-21. It was never in doubt in the second half.

Onward to Center Grove and FW Carroll.

Carroll can be a physical team which is right up Center Grove's alley. They love to get physical but can throw the ball when needed and Coy is an x-factor WR. There will be speed and power from CG more so than HSE. Unfortunately one of the fastest players in the State Wheat will not be playing.

It will be interesting to see what CG's defensive gameplan will be against Carroll. When it comes to offense CG will run the ball until you stop it mixing in some pass. Their bread and butter is the Wing T (these kids have ran it since they were in 2nd grade). They will  line up in some pistol and shotgun and run or pass. Key Offensive player will be Coy in my opinion to keep Carroll honest.  

7 minutes ago, BTF said:

Could sitting in a bus stagnant for 2 hours, then getting out and playing in wind chill temperatures of 5 degrees have contributed? Just saying. HSE had a lot of injuries that game. Carroll didn't. I dunno, maybe Carroll just hits hard. 

6 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Injuries are immeasurable? Damn, I thought injuries were injuries… Pretty tangible, not intangible, as you claim. 

Injuries can happen without a player being hit or hit hard. Twisted ankle, torn MCL/ACL, helmet hits the ground causing a concussion, broken hand / arm putting your hand down. Just because a player got injured doesn't mean the other team hits harder.

2 hours ago, BTF said:

With the exception of Cathedral. If I'm a Catholic parent with a son who has D1 potential, I'm choosing Cathedral first and foremost. If travel is an issue, then I'm going with the team closer by......Roncalli or Chatard. 

I thought Dwenger was an anomaly. Are 95% of Roncalli and Chatard's players from within their feeders? 

The answer is yes. The only schools that have feeders though are Ritter, Chatard, Scecina, and Roncalli as they are the only Parochial High Schools that are part of the Archdiocese of Indianapolis. Cathedral and Brebeuf Jesuit are Private schools. Cathedral however from 1919 to the 1970's Cathedral was one of the original Parochial schools in downtown Indianapolis prior to the others being built. After closing its doors Alumni saved it, moved it, and made it Private. Many of the feeder schools now held by the other Parochial High Schools have a tradition of legacy students whose parent, grand-parents, great-grandparents etc went to Cathedral and they follow in those footsteps.

There are plenty of kids with D1 potential that have gone to many of the Private/Parochial schools not just Cathedral. The Northeast side of Indianapolis is littered with talent. Cathedral, Chatard, North Central, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, and Heritage Christian all are in rather close proximity of each other. That is the biggest cluster of High Schools in Indianapolis and surrounding areas.

On 11/21/2022 at 1:21 PM, npcougar15 said:

So for those of us not to familiar with East Central at all can someone give a little history of the school, town, location, program history, any fun fact?

 

I'll start with NP for you EC fans. The 2 towns that feed into New Prairie are NEW Carlisle and Rolling PRAIRIE. New Carlisle has a population of about 1,800 with Rolling only having close to 600 residents. There are a few other small communities (Hudson Lake, Mill Creek, Saugany Lake, and a lot of farm land) that feed into the school that make it what it is today. We are touching the Michigan border to the north and are sandwiched in-between South Bend to the east and Laporte/"Da Region" to the west. The New Carlisle community at their core is a football town and had real good history up until the NP consolidation in 1968. NP was pretty average for the first 30 years of football until hall of famer Bart Curtis took over in the late 90s, another Hall of famer in Russ Radtke elevated the program to new heights starting back in 2012 and now coach McKim in his 3rd year has continued to keep the cougars playing at a very high level (and possibly a level never reached before). One interesting fact about NP, is the town of New Carlisle is in the eastern time zone while the school and Rolling Prairie are in the central time zone. You can hear people ask "School time or town time?" with just about every event, gathering, game, etc. 

East Central is 2-0 in State Finals appearances 2017 14-7 over Lowell, 1994 35-0 over Dekalb. Offensively they have 2 terrific RB's in Ringer and Brotherton (both Juniors). IMHO Ringer will be the best athlete on the field between the 2 teams. While the offense is very good the defense is spectacular too. New Prairie has their work cut out for them on both sides of the ball. I look for a 31-14 or 35-14 type of game in favor of East Central.

20 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Chatard and Lutheran are "inside the Indy donut."

Apparently only IPS schools count as Indy Poplar.

9 minutes ago, BTF said:

Eric Moore era.......two decades. I think we can move on from "recent." You guys keep bringing up Center Grove. Ok, we get it. Westfield is good, I'll give you that. But I'm citing state championships. Carmel, Warren Central, and Ben Davis own that category with 9 each. The three largest schools. It's not just coincidence, there's more to it. I'm sorry to rain on anyone's parade that "they just work harder and do it better." Center Grove has a long way to go to catch up, but they've certainly bucked the trend. Kudos to Coach Moore and the effort he has given that program over the last 20 years. 

You guys are exhausting. 

If Center Grove wins this weekend that will put them at 5 State Championships only 4 behind Ben Davis, Warren Central, and Carmel. 4 is not a large number to overcome. Especially since right now CG does more Reloading than rebuilding. Center grove over the last 10 years (including this year) has 6 State Championship appearances, Carmel 5, Ben Davis 2, and Warren Central 2.

2 hours ago, BTF said:

Private schools in Indy have a metro area of 2 million to choose from. I don't think Indy Catholics are a good example. 

Center Grove. Good example. But one example isn't good enough in my opinion. You guys keep hitting us with Center Grove. You can't erase the fact that the three largest schools in Indiana have won most of the large division championships. 

Friday's game: Center Grove is Center Grove. It's hard to predict against them. I'll say Trojans by 14. 

This statement is very tiresome. There isn't 2 million to choose from with Private schools you can stop with that there isn't even 1/4th of that. Aside from that the 1 Parochial School from Indy in the State Finals (Chatard) lists the elementary schools their players attended (there is a grand total of 2 that didn't attend a Catholic elementary school and one of them was a move in from out of state) so much for 2 million to choose from. That is pretty much BS banter from someone outside of Indianapolis and surrounding counties.

12 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Feels like this thread has really been hijacked….any chance we can talk about Friday’s game??

On a side note it is a shame that Drew Wheat had a season ending injury his Senior year. He has been a large part of CG's success the last couple of years. Don't get me wrong CG hasn't missed a beat with Coyle, but I never enjoy seeing a Senior not being able to get out there and play!

31 minutes ago, temptation said:

But isn’t the arrogance warranted?  I mean come on.  Even you have to admit that the dominance of the area (regardless of the reasoning behind it) speaks for itself.

I have spoken about the supposed enrollment advantage since the beginning of time…but CG sorta debunks that as the major contributing factor, no?

100% and the enrollment difference between Center Grove and FW Carroll isn't that large just under 300 students. There are a multitude of reasons I am picking CG over FW Carroll, Coach Moore has a lot to do with that choice. His resume as a Head Coach over the last 28 years speaks for itself, and the platform he has taken Center Grove Football (and track as well) is quite impressive. I have watched it slowly develop after he took the job in 1999. Went 5-5 to 13-2 in 1 year, they have had a short stint of average years. Right now they pretty much just reload instead of rebuild.

13 hours ago, BTF said:

You and 75% of all the other posters are taking CG. Probably a smart pick. Damn, they're Center Grove. Sounds like an easy pick to me. I just find it hilarious that you guys continue to point out that football is "better" in Indy. The Indy burbs has some of the best football (with obvious advantages) in the state. Indy proper has some of the worst. It's a wash. 

By Indy proper you must mean IPS. Yes IPS is terrible busing many years ago killed IPS being competitive in football as athletes were being bused to Township schools outside 465. Indianapolis still has great football teams inside 465. Cathedral, Chatard, Brebeuf, Heritage Christian, and Speedway are all inside Indianapolis or Indy Proper. 

There is a good history with IPS in the past. The last really good IPS was around 1999 with Arlington High School who went 11-2 (see below). Washington, Howe, Arsenal Tech all had a rich history in football. Washington dies off after Coach Springer retired (McGinnis and Downing weren't only great basketball players but also great football players). So yes IPS is now terrible but not all of the Indy proper is terrible. I asked a simple question and you took it to the max, that's on you.