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19 hours ago, BTF said:

Looks like another representative from Indy. Never really looked into their location before. 

I am not so sure I would say Whiteland is an Indy area school. How far out would you consider Indianapolis to be? Would you consider Dekalb and Belmont part of Fort Wayne? Whiteland is about the same distance from Indianapolis as those schools are to Fort Wayne.

Does that make Sheridan and Tri-West part of Indianapolis too?

20 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Maybe

i think it depends on which cathedral team shows up.

 

vs brownsburg they had many mistakes…and I think for the first quarter or so vs Penn they weren’t in their groove either before finding themselves

 

from an outsiders perspective, cathedral can be the #1 team in the state any day of the week….but they also could show up flat and be their own worst enemy 

From observations the Irish Offense has played very well in all 3 games. There are things to keep learning along the O-line (that will come with experience and as they continue to gel). Even with some players dinged up the Offense has looked pretty good. It will be a very scary offense when healthy with the depth and talent and as the O-line grows and gets better each week.

Defensively they have been going through some growing pains. Which is not unusual when you are replacing 9 of 11 starters. As I said in a previous post Cathedral week 9 or 10 will be totally different than current as experience is gained and coaching mistakes take place.

13 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Good to see some spirited conversation about this game.  Catholics vs. Catholics is never easy.

I do hope the Irish are healthier than last week.  Lots of good players didn't play.  Although it did give some young players a chance to get some valuable experience.

Yes definitely builds depth. Very impressed with the depth and talent at TE this year.

On 9/3/2022 at 11:03 PM, BTF said:

Solid win last night though against a team from Detroit with high expectations this year. 

Solid win for sure. Detroit Cass Tech is not that great this year (not as good as they have been in the past). They lost to Southfield Arts & Tech the week before Carmel. Cass Tech had a lot to replace from last year. Detroit King is pretty solid this year but Cass Tech is not.

On 9/3/2022 at 9:05 AM, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Was wanting a better game than the last two, and got that. Penn gave up 3 huge pass plays that all resulted in Cathedral TD’s. The one with 5 seconds before halftime was a killer. Thought Penn’s front 7 on defense played well most of the game, the secondary not so much. Penn is not there yet(Indiana EliteTeams) but hopefully heading in that direction. 

In all honesty I think Penn's secondary will be just fine. They had a tall task trying to slow down a very good QB with some very good weapons to throw to. Even without TE #1 the arsenal of receivers are pretty good for the Irish. QB #1 for the Irish is very impressive. Throws the ball very well and accurate on the run or in the pocket, he may miss some passes but you very seldom see him throw that terrible INT (I think he had 1 all last season). He also is deceptively a terrific runner. I think if anything Penn's Secondary faced a terrific receiving corps and has film on what to improve on.

On 9/3/2022 at 9:30 AM, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Penn now has a dedicated strength and conditioning coach. They hired Antwon Jones as an assistant coach. He took South Bend Washington to the state finals as a HC. I believe they will keep improving, but still have a ways to go . Penn’s QB only a Jr should be real good next year. I was impressed by Cathedrals QB. Kids a baller. 

Coach Jones did very well with S.B> Washington. Wasn't he a first or second year HC when they went to State?

10 hours ago, Grover said:

Incomplete.  Trinity wins 29-28.

To me the right decision. Yeah they didn't complete the 2 point play. With tired players try to make a play. Came up a little short, but just go for it! Trinity much improved from last season. CG looks to be solid will be different in week 9 or 10  than now.

@PDB26and @GOLDRUSH1985 does the Penn Pennant still stream games on YouTube? 

14 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I watched some of the Loyola - St. X game. Shocking the way X was physically manhandled.

Is that shocking at how good Loyola is or shocking at how bad St. X is? Honest question.

20 hours ago, scarab527 said:

I think it'll be closer, especially with the Irish's TE injured and the QB potentially hobbled a bit, but I think Cathedral should still win this one comfortably. 

I personally (no actual knowledge) think QB will be fine and playing. He did comeback on the field after sitting out 1 play. As for the TE he also was up walking back and forth on the sideline, regardless their other TE played very well also even having a TD although he did take a big blindside hit late in the game (possibly just the wind knocked out of him). There seems to be good depth at WR and TE positions (from my observation). The RB's aren't flashy but hard runners. This game will be interesting the Irish found a lot they need to work on (coach up) defensively and in special teams. As long as QB1 is good to go (even QB2 didn't look bad on his 1 play) covering the WR's and TE's will be challenging at times.

6 hours ago, psaboy said:

Did the D1 skill players make the trip?

I would say they made the trip.

QB - Passing 26 of 44 for 317 yds 4 TD 0 Int / Rushing 13 carries 113 yds

WR 1 - 13 catches 121 yds 2 TD's

WR 2 - 4 catches 70 yds 1 TD

WR 3 - 1 catch 14 yds 1 TD

TE 1 - 3 catches 42 yds (prior to injury)

What didn't show up was the defense or special teams. To be one of top contenders you have to play well in all 3 phases of the game. The Irish didn't do that. There has been some crowning to start the season without a game being played, 6A in my opinion is very wide open CG will be my top favorite until someone knocks them off (even they will have some struggles). The Irish have some really good players, I think they will be a different team with more experience later in the season. Replacing 9 of 11 starters on defense there is going to be some growing pains and learning to get better. A game like last night will provide growth for those new starters. Offensively the Irish played very well but had a crucial fumble and a couple of bad penalties. The Irish will be fine as the season goes along ultimately none of it truly matters until the tournament rolls around.

As for Brownsburg they played very well on offense as well. Their special teams were spectacular. I think the only kickoff their kicker didn't put in the endzone was after a penalty enforced on the kickoff backed them up and I think he still hit the 3 yard line. Young man has a very nice leg. Brownsburg QB played very well. They have some speed with their WR's and 2 solid RB's one of which was very shifty. Defensively for the Bulldogs they played very solid up front, their pass defense didn't have its best game, but they were defending some very good weapons.

@PHJIrish I would concur that the officials didn't have their best night to be somewhat nice. I am sure they will review the film and not like some of it and hopefully improve (Game #2 for them also). I think the most glaring no call I could see was on the play the Cathedral TE got hurt the defender 100% interfered with the pass and even grabbed the TE's facemask and pulled him down before the ball was there with no call. It wasn't the best night for the officials

On 8/21/2022 at 8:50 PM, FootballFan28 said:

Irish by 3-4 td’s 

I'd bet money you won't see either team win by 3-4 TD's in this one.

The last couple of times these 2 have met in recent history have been much closer.

2018 Brownsburg 37 Cathedral 26

2021 Cathedral 20 Brownsburg 7

On 7/22/2022 at 4:08 PM, Guest said:

Let me know when Graves and Echeverria receive their Hall of Fame plaques.  You really going to group those two together with the Blessed Trinity of Dilley, Streiff and O'Shea?  Blasphemy!

Another milestone contribution .  You're a legend

Nope but you seem to miss the point. It is not the coaches or them coming from P/P to Public when it comes to North Central and Lawrence North. It's the landscape of where those 2 schools sit in present day. Heck 2 of the coaches you named coached from 1976-1994 and 1971-1991 (1 at LN and 1 at NC) the other from 1992-2002 (at NC posting pretty much the same 6-4 or 7-4 records the last 8 years of his career there). It's more to do with Lawrence North and North Central than it is the coaches that have been and currently are coaching there.

Heck somebody already brought up Coach Dullaghan whom coached at Chatard prior to Carmel then Ben Davis. There is also Bob Springer who coached at Sacred Heart and then Indianapolis Washington (he had a lot of success at Washington until the flight of students players to Ben Davis. Present day landscapes aren't the same as the past.

3 hours ago, DT said:

I am not a coach and never have been. My point all along is that these specific highly successful Private School coaches chose these unsuccessful public school programs thinking they could turn them around and make them successful. None of them achieved that objective.

Ever think maybe that is not the whole reason they went there? They are educators too. 

I would say year 1 (3-8), year 2 (5-7), year 3 (6-4), and year 4 (7-4) is a turn around in the right direction. That was one coach. 

Another year 1 (3-7), year 2 (9-3), year 3 (6-4), year 4 (6-4) year 5 (1-9). 

17 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

OK....work with me.  If NC is like an IU, how is the coach a failure if he has a winning record 3 of his 5 seasons playing a monster schedule?  Wouldn't most IU fans live with that??

You're barking up the wrong tree if you expect him to "work with you". Over many years he has had much more stringent expectations for High School football coaches. Someone whom hasn't coached or dealt with what coaches do on a daily basis ever. Good writer who strikes the needle in viewership and conversation starters, but Head Coaching or coaching skills at all are seriously lacking. 

The names can be thrown out there O'Shea, Streiff, Dilley, Mallory, Haste, etc. etc. What is largely over looked is the focal point to the equation. He loves to use former P/P coaches to Public or whatever. What is not recognized is the 2 schools associated with the coaches I have named is the 2 schools. Lawrence North and North Central both have their struggles both have high success in Basketball not so much in football. Comparing basketball success and football success is comparing apples to oranges. You only have to have 5 players on the floor in basketball in football you have to have 11 (for a lot of the bigger schools to compete not many 2 way players so actually around 19-22 players). All of the coaches named had some success at one point at those 2 schools for what they are even if it didn't meet DT's criteria. NC and LN haven't exactly been top notch places to coach at when it comes to football, but the coaches named (regardless if their background came from coaching at P/P or Public) have done the best they could with the hands they were dealt. More importantly they have likely had a large impact on the young men they coached at LN and NC during their times there.

On 7/12/2022 at 7:20 PM, FAREASTSIDEWC said:

nope! cause i can remember his time at WC, and well, nevermind, i wont drag coach hart, but trust me hes the pot calling the kettle black...

In other words when in Rome do as the Romans?

On 5/10/2022 at 8:37 PM, HHF said:

I wouldn't worry too much about a talent deficit at CHS when 50 universities are lined up at the door to get in , including 9 BT schools and ND, to visit with their athletes.  

I would bet a lot of those Universities were wanting to get a look at the QB who will be a Junior. He had a impressive Soph season: 231 comp 367 Att 63% comp 2,956 yds 33 TD's 2 Int, 118 Car 305 yds 10 TD. Seems to be very aware and makes good decisions with the football. Has visited Georgia, Florida State, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue, Cincinnati, and Kentucky over the spring. Will also be visiting Ohio State (if not already as of this post) and I am sure a few other schools as an incoming Junior.

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/recruiting/notre-dame-football-recruiting-quarterback-danny-oneil-visiting

On 5/8/2022 at 9:33 AM, BTF said:

Center Grove = Reloading Machine as long as Eric Moore is at the helm. Passion equates to success. 

But sometimes a team can go through a trial period. Although the Trojans are 28-0 over the last two seasons, they lost 16 games in the three seasons prior to that. 

Biggest plus about Center Grove going 28-0 and 2 straight State Championships but losing a lot of talent to graduation. Reps lots of young players that will start or have significant playing time this year have had lots of reps playing that deep into those 2 years. Many of them had to go against those great players lost to graduation in practice.

On 5/8/2022 at 10:57 AM, temptation said:

That 28-0 (along with other things) has also made them the most desirable transfer destination in the state.

They won’t be on par with the past two seasons, but they’ll be right there at the end.

Yes should make for an interesting year in the South bracket. Trojans 28-0 the last 2 years, and the Irish 27-2 over the last 2 years (both losses to Center Grove in tight close games). Both teams have to rebuild defensively as some key players have graduated. Irish bring back a QB that had an impressive Soph season 2956 passing 33 TD's 2 Int's, a impressive WR with 1174 yds and 11 TD's, as well as a solid TE Offensively. Trojans bring back a very fast (understatement) RB with 1,003 yds  and 13 TD's and another RB with 631 yds and 10 TD's, but will breaking in a new QB to replace a very talented QB lost to graduation.

Both have a terrific coaching staff and plenty of talent. They will definitely need players to step in and fill the voids lost to graduation, but will be very good. 

17 hours ago, temptation said:

He provides more content (agree with it or not) than every other user on this board combined.

You pretend he doesn’t matter and you pay him no attention but you take a shot at him below the belt at every opportunity.

That he does.

When you have been around as long as some of us have he has earned everyone of those shots below the belt like it or not.

11 hours ago, gonzoron said:

Next up is throwing it against the wall to see if it will stick.

On 2/1/2022 at 1:31 AM, Staxawax said:

Perhaps he’s an avid reader of your work.

On 1/26/2022 at 8:35 AM, Muda69 said:

But is there ever punitive action doled out by high school coaches for incorrect tackling techniques?  Unless the the player who got tackled is injured (most likely a concussion)  or the tackler is flagged by the officials for some reason I would bet not.  Maybe just a feeble comment during a film session.  After all in my above scenario the player made the play that won the game, right?

 

And are these children made 100% clear of the risk involved?  Not just risks during a practice or game, but risks to their future?

 

I already answered the question. Coaches take action pointing out the flaws and even drilling proper technique (not just feeble comments). In your eyes should they pull out a leather strap. Correct form is taught and drilled over and over. Even if the play is not flagged or player is not hurt coaches will still correct poor tackling form and they drill it ad nauseum. Yes the CHILDREN are made 100% clear of the risk involved. Not a practice went by I didn't mention injury risk when coaching youth.

On 1/26/2022 at 9:45 PM, Muda69 said:

There you go Mr. Grover.  Getting closer!

I asked simple questions in this thread.  I find it puzzling why they can't be answered simply and directly.

 

Just because you don't like the answer you are given doesn't mean your question wasn't answered. That is on you.

On 1/22/2022 at 11:45 PM, Muda69 said:

No, I'm looking for information about how coaches view the game of high school tackle football.

So the win is the most important thing.  Got it.

 

 

I will take into consideration you may have no experience with it.

They did it some back in the day although it usually took longer. In HS football after they play a game on Friday night, Saturday morning they usually do film study, It has come a long way from old reel to reel and VHS film study. With the digital age they have HUDL (and other programs similar to it). In that the coaches point out players out of position, poor techniques (blocking, route running, throwing), and yes they even point out poor tackling techniques for future learning. They might even replay a play 6-8 times pointing out several mistakes on that one play.

Not one player in youth, HS, College, or Professional has been perfect 100% of the time. They all make mistakes and the coaches job is to correct them. Sometimes those mistakes can and do cause an injury. Is it a risk yes, driving a car is a greater risk than most people think about too.

On 12/13/2021 at 5:50 PM, HHF said:

Kids can learn life lessons and make life long relationships with or without football.  Football players dont learn any more life lessons or make better long standing relationships than do soccer players, chess club members or band members.  Or maybe you have some hard statistical data you would like to share on that?

HHF, DT, Driven T,

I know you have had a daughter that attended Center Grove. I know you possibly went to Highland (if my memory serves correctly). I would like to ask how many years or even downs of football have you played? I know you take vested interest in coming up with controversial subjects on this board, but I just want to know what extent you have actually played football. 

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

Traitor? 

You mean to those same state universities that have no problem admitting an out of state student over a state resident student because it means more $$. 
 

Go check out the rosters of IU, Purdue, ISU, Ball State football teams.  They are chocked full of out of stats traitors. 

I will personally say Indiana and Purdue will pay more attention to lesser touted recruits from (Texas, Florida, and Ohio) than they will top recruits from Indiana. I think it is a shame because some great players leave Indiana to play at out of State Colleges because Indiana and Purdue do that exact thing. I may try to do some research when I get some free time, but I would bet some big hitters in NCAA D-1 do a pretty darn good job of recruiting and focusing on the top players from their own State.

I will exclude Notre Dame from this discussion because there are many factors that makes it different.

13 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Hot take…..more than half of the people in Indiana would be better served by leaving and going to another state.  
 

too many stay because of family and keep the BS factory job or whatever and live a very unhappy life.

 

would be better if many people left and made it out on their own before deciding to move back and pour into the local communities.  
 

the state of Indiana is traitor to its own people in many cases and many of these young kids should go out and explore other areas to see what the rest of the US/World is like.  Good on those that have left that state to make a name for themselves elsewhere 

I 100% can't wait to leave Indiana (not because it is a bad State) but because I am not a fan of cold bitter winters and would rather park my rear end near a beach! I have made a good living in Indiana just would rather be in warmer climates! 

13 hours ago, HHF said:

Coach Skinner went more in depth with his response.  Im not at all surprised by Coach Peebles response.  He has more seniors on his roster than many schools have all grades 9-12 in the football program.  This is an issue that Cathedral will never be confronted with.  But at least he responded which is greatly appreciated

Coach Peebles also coached at Southport and Lawrence Central. I believe he also responded with having 40 seniors at Cathedral is not the normal (in other words he was being honest he had a large SR class). Regardless it all remained the same, read Coach Lidy's too and while you down play Coach Peebles response you got similar responses for others. Coach Skinner did go more in depth and didn't just spout your typical BS. Curious to see what you get from Coach Pasch, Coach Hart, Coach Moore. I don't think you would get much difference in an answer. Probably wouldn't get much different from the State Runner-up Coaches. 

Keep on chugging though Thomas the Tank Engine. Sorry Coaches don't and likely won't agree with some of your notions now matter how hard you try to spin it.

2 hours ago, Staxawax said:

So Carmel and CG want a new vision for their athletics because of "culture" differences, but Columbus North wouldn't care?

You're standing in front of the dart board with common sense, less chance one of the darts he throws blindfolded hit the dart board.

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Yep, because the person actually cares about the Great State of Indiana.

I don't understand your attempt at equivalency here, and what those four NFL teams have in common.

 

The award is for the best football player that played High School Football in Indiana, not the best Indiana High School Football player that elected to play college football in Indiana.

My attempt at equivalency is that Ohio State, Alabama, and Clemson have had more National Championships in football than Indian, Purdue, and Ball State (Notre Dame is a different animal with academic requirements). Steelers, Patriots, 49ers, and Cowboys have won a bunch of Super Bowls.

55 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

But IMHO it should. MUDA LAW!

 

Why should an award for the top player in Indiana have anything to do with if they choose to play college football in Indiana or not? Lots of factors these young men look into (and it doesn't always involve football, can also involve academics, Major choices, family history). So basically your saying we should for go giving Mr. Football to a player that elects to play at a high academic University that is successful in football for someone with less talent that decided to go to Purdue, Indiana, Ball State who have not had the same success and may not (depending on the College) be as prestigious. Doesn't make sense.

That is like saying a College player shouldn't get the Heisman if they were to get drafted by the Steelers, Patriots, 49ers, or Cowboys. Should only get that award if they go to the Lions.