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8 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

3) your personal opinion does not matter here as there are computer ranking and actual matchups that prove you wrong.   

Please take no offense to this because it shouldn't downplay Brady Allen's success or play. As painful as it is to agree he is correct on the strength of schedule. While Sagarin does not include South Warren in SOS, Calpreps does. Only 3 of the top 10 5A teams had a lesser SOS than Gibson Southern (Castle, Mishawaka, and Valpo) 11 out of top 25. Only 2 out of the top 25 in 6A and 0 of the top 10 had lesser SOS.

http://calpreps.com/2021/ratings/Indiana_division.htm

12 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Speak for yourself lol cuz I clearly just read someone trying to downplay having 8 D1 players instead of 10 and saying that was normal….and pointing out that not all are P5 offers like that matters. 

 

definitely not ignoring the team but nice try at trying to flip my argument back at me…won’t work.  I have been nothing but uplifting when it comes to the surrounding team at GS…..every year. 

I don’t think you have watched Allen that much this year because he has had to throw on the run and evade pressure so many times….that’s what happens when you play a 5A+ schedule as a 3A school. In the state championship game alone there were probably 10+ passes completed just because Allen was able to extend plays and then put the ball exactly where it needed to be.  The play of the game was him throwing a laser on 4th and goal from the 21 yard line in between 3 defenders right at eye level for the receiver.  Couldn’t have been thrown better and it was the go ahead score 

 

This is how I KNOW you didn’t watch Gibson Southern or follow that much.  
 

GS put a running clock on all but 3 opponents.  Allen played the 4th QTR of like 4 games total….played only the first half of probably 8…..if he played the full game every game, you would probably be looking at a 6000 yards 70 passing TD season….against a schedule more difficult than what most of 5A faces. 

I get your sentiment with these posts and Brady Allen is a terrific QB. I do have one question have you watched much of Caden Curry (aside from State Championship games the last 3 years)? He definitely has been a catalyst of Center Grove's defense being dominant the last 3 years. I won't deny there have been other very good defensive players for CG over the last 3 years (like Booker). Just keep in mind his presence even when he isn't the one making a tackle has drawn double and triple team opening up TFL's for LB's or other D-lineman. There is a reason Curry is recruited by the P5 schools he is and he is a freakish big athlete.

He may not win the award because of the way QB, RB, or WR stats are looked at compared to a defensive lineman. Curry though is extremely impressive and shouldn't be downplayed. He is 100% deserving of Mr. Football award as is Brady Allen. I would bet Allen will win due to Offensive stats. It is what it is when it comes to these awards. I am definitely curious to see where Curry chooses to play Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State (I personally feel it will be Ohio State but that is just a hunch I have), but it is a testament to his ability that he is getting looked at by all of those schools.

13 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

It's the Indianapolis Star Mr. Football award....

12 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Yep.... For better or worse, money and influence talk.

It is given by the Indianapolis Star as an award, but the IFCA Ratings Board selects the finalists and all Coaches vote for the winner (if they turn in their ballot). While Indystar awards it they aren't actually the ones casting the vote.

1 minute ago, Bash Riprock said:

Twice is not much.....

It's not much but disproves the theory that they do not want to give the award to a player from the same school back to back.

39 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

10 or so…..I’m so wrong it’s only 8….omg the horror.

 

CG fans pushing down the rest of the roster to make the case for Curry is all anyone needs to know.  Never seen fans discredit the talent on their team for specific player to get an award like this before.  
 

problem is, Curry didn’t have the statistical season needed to make the arguments against Brady….which is why we see the arguments framed around team achievements like going 28-0.  
 

not one of you has mentioned his actual statistics here…not the 86 or something career TFLs….not his 27 or so career sacks….nope…it’s “back2back….28-0….3 finals appearances”….team accomplishments.
 

 Curry is amazing and has produced great numbers…let your arguments be around what he has done. 

 

He does have impressive stats for a Defensive Lineman on a 3 man front.

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

  My guess is that politically, they do not want to give this award to the same high school 2 years in a row.

Mr. Football has been given to a player from the same High School back to back years 2 different times.

1995 Martinsville QB Earl Haniford

1996 Martinsville RB Israel Thompson

2005 Warren Central QB Dexter Taylor

2006 Warren Central RB Darren Evans

On 11/30/2021 at 9:08 AM, Footballking16 said:

I thought Schiff was a year or two younger than Shannon/Cutler? Guess I didn't realize Shannon and Cutler were same grade. Shannon did break the rushing record in his senior season but was also upset by Plainfield in the sectional. 

Yes Shannon broke the record against Avon in Sectional Round 1. Shannon was not a 1 trick pony either he was a tremendous RB that could catch the ball out of the backfield. Also played defense as DB unless they didn't need him to. He also returned punts and kicks as well. I believe he was a QB in middle school, he definitely hit a big time pass play on a half back pass against Goshen in the 1999 State Championship game. Remember that play very well and was perfectly timed play call by then HC Streiff as everyone expected Shannon to be running the ball.

49 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

Cathedral has already had a chance in 6A... didn't even make it to Lucas Oil.  I think the top HCC and MIC schools will always have 1 or 2 teams each year that can beat the Irish.  I think Cathedral belongs in 6A obviously and will at least have a shot every year.  The HCC and MIC schools will continue to take turns as they develop 1 or 2 classes that build into champions, just like Westfield did.  They'll reload, but it will take time to return to Lucas Oil.  That is why what CG did the last 3 years was so out of the norm.  It will take Roncalli time to develop to get back as well.  It is hard to repeat at any level.  Besides Cathedral playing in 6A, that is why the success factor isn't the perfect answer. 

Nope Cathedral didn't make it to Lucas Oil in 6A. In 2015 they beat Lawrence Central and Lawrence North to win Sectionals and lost in 2 OT's to Avon 37-34 (the same Avon team that lost in 2 OT's to CG 35-34), CG beat Cathedral in week 9 of 2015 by a score of 7-0 (CG went on to beat Penn 28-16 in 2015 for a State Championship). In 2016 Cathedral defeated Lawrence North and Lawrence Central in OT to win Sectionals and lost to Ben Davis in Regionals 51-21 (that was the younger version BD that ended up going 14-0 alking over everyone in 2017). BD lost to CG in Semi-State 42-22 (CG eventually lost to Carmel in State game 16-13 in OT). Pretty much made it to where Roncalli did this year in 4A. So yes they were competitive, the reason they didn't stay up in 6A is because they did not earn enough points at the time (this has since changed).

As for Center Grove it hasn't just been the last 3 years. This really has been a run from 2011. Yes they had a 6-6 year in that time and there were the 2 buzzsaw years of dominant Warren Central and dominant Ben Davis. Honestly though CG has been the cream of the crop in 6A for several years. 5 State Championship appearances since 2011. so 5 out of the last 10 years they have been in Championship game. Coach Moore has done a phenomenal job making them the hunted instead of the hunters.

3 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Let's see if CG can continue that for 15 years. My prediction is once Cathedral gets to 6A that CG, WC, and even Carmel won't be able to keep up. Cathedral also benefits from many other factors like boosters, a youth league that spans the city, academics and extracurriculars which have always been top notch. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

I think Center Grove and Carmel will definitely keep up. Center Grove has one of the more impressive youth football leagues in the state in their CGBFL (Center Grove Bantam Football League). No idea how many years Coach Moore will continue coaching, but he and that youth league have set-up any successor to him with that league. I would say Carmel and HSE/Fishers have also set-up nicely with their youth football. I think New Pal has made great strides in their youth. Carmel, HSE, Fishers, and Center Grove still have thriving numbers in their school systems. Whiteland, Westfield, Zionsville, and New Palestine continue to grow in population.

Won't disagree with any of what you say Cathedral has in benefits, but don't think the others will have a problem keeping up (as you call it). I know the recruiting moniker gets tossed out a lot. Just about every Private school recruits because they have to in order to keep the doors open. I can tell you without a doubt Brebeuf Jesuit, Cathedral, and other Private schools recruit every student that walks in their doors (many times they don't even have to do the recruiting as parents approach them). It is not just sports though, they recruit kids for every aspect doesn't matter if they are chess club, choir, mathaletes, science, football, baseball basketball. If we are really being honest there aren't a whole lot of kids as 7th or 8th graders we definitely know what they will be when Juniors or Seniors and that goes for any school. You have occasions where you have a stud player that shows as a Freshman and starts Varsity, but there aren't overwhelming numbers of them. This goes for all programs there are kids with promise as Freshman, but it is when they hit the weight program, speed and agility training where they become that much better.

9 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Thank you...  I thought this was directed at our "crew"...  Obviously @Majorwho proclaims to be a both a Coach and and Unbiased Official is a total poser.  Perhaps he could DM and reveal his identity....though I already know it!   😂   

C.S.   No need to say the entire thing  (Mr. Winning Sales)  Is that enough for you?  

I thought your crew did fine. Re-reading my post I can see where you would think that. I was more calling out the person who was calling out officials by name. You and your crew have earned my respect. You have always given good insight and I appreciate that.

1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Looking at stats. Brady Allen vs what cathedral did against Brebeuf, New Albany, and Columbus north…these teams combined for 29-5 if you take away the 6 combined losses to Cathedral and GS 

 

Brady Allen:

71 of 112 (63.4%) 

1028 yards passing 

14 passing TDs 1 rushing TD

 

Cathedral QB stats vs these teams 

41 of 71 (57.7%) 

524 yards passing 

9 passing TDs 2 rushing TDs 

 

Same opponents Cathedral had to face….3 dominant performances.  3 game sample size….and Brady Allen averaged 340 yards passing and 5 TDs for those games….I think it’s safe to say that Brady wasn’t just good because they played the 57th hardest schedule of 318 teams….opposed to the 9th and 16th hardest schedule….he performed at an outstanding level because he is an outstanding QB 

Agreed, but Cathedral's QB was a Sophomore there were likely a lot more reigns on the Sophomore QB compared to a Senior QB. Still your point is very valid Brady Allen was and is a fantastic QB.

2 hours ago, Major said:

I may be a chronic whinner, but, it is because you are the chronic know it all.  Sure, I know several crews.  But, this is one that I have no knowledge of before this game.

 

1) Mouth pieces hanging from the face mask for the majority of the time of several players on the field.  Is this not a flagable offense?  Of course we all want to look like a pro but should we not want our kids to be as safe as possible?

2)  Are the teams to be on the field following halftime once the clock runs out before the extra 3 minutes?  Westfield was not and it took several minutes before they came out.  Should a flag have been thrown?

3) The helmet infraction I think was a poor call.  It looked as if the player put his helmet outside of the body on contact.

4) As for the facemask penalty on the long completion before half on Westfield sideline.  I will give the crew that one as they are only a 5 man crew and could not be in place to see that one. 

 

I know several years ago you said that going from a 5 man crew during the season to a 7 man crew during the month of November would be near impossible.  What are your thoughts today?

1.) I didn't see egregious players with no mouthpiece in. Are you sure your aren't over exaggerating.

2.) I will have to look into this not sure what you are refering too.

3.) So would you say it was targeting? Honestly we all had benefit of replay. On the field though in live action I would have agreed with helmet call. Sure when you do the replay it may not have been but that wasn't a benefit to the officials during the game in live action and there is no Instant Replay in HS football.

4.) You said it.

My only question for you is if you feel you are so perfect and enjoy calling out officials (some by name) why aren't you a current NFL official (serious question). My personal feeling is you are a current official, you are upset your crew wasn't on the field doing a game. Therefor you are hypercritical of the crews that were selected and pointing out some errors and calling out officials by name with an axe to grind. Perhaps your crew made more errors in other games and that is the reason you were not selected for the State Championship, but perhaps not. I have no idea on that but I think your posts have been in poor taste with an axe to grind and it shows. No offense but an observation from someone who has nothing to do with officiating.

@Bobrefwhile he and I haven't always agreed on everything. He is at least forthcoming and honest. @Yuccaguyclaimed not to be perfect (no crew is) but I thought they did a fantastic job. You seem to want more respect for  your crew (if my hunch is correct), but you are failing miserably in gaining it if that is the case. Be humble and plug away for next year.

30 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said:

I would bet they would not fall into the same sectional. They would adjust the sectionals and create new ones. With Zionsville to 6A as well, there will definitely be some interesting sectionals put together this winter.

Agreed. I think you might see Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, and Warren Central or North Central in a sectional.

11 minutes ago, Huge Football Fan said:

I’m not sure where you saw those defensive stats but what I saw was Hauser had 16 tackles 10 solo? So what I saw was 16 tackles to 5. Point being in this high school game I would take Hauser

Just an FYI, IHSAA.org always has Box Score with official stats for all the games. It is the same stats on monitors when webcasting/broadcasting games in Lucas Oil Stadium on Friday and Saturday in the press box (and has been done for several years).

https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/boys sports/boys football/2021-22/2021 6A Box Score.pdf

9 hours ago, Huge Football Fan said:

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/games/11-27-2021/football-21/center-grove-vs-westfield.htm?c=U-L4Lp-8OUO1ZR1sxJAbPg#tab=box-score&schoolid=
 

I’m not talking about future college and NFL prospect.  I’m talking last night in a high school football game and for me Micah Hauser was the best player out there. Maybe it was a fluke I’m not sure but he was absolute monster last night. 3 Td’s and 16 tackles  

 

I would like to ask you a question. I get your sentiment and Micah Hauser is a fantastic football player. Do you feel Hauser would have had more yardage than Curry if they both received the same amount of carries, receptions, or plays offensively? I think what is missed sometimes is a player like Curry, just because they don't need to use him offensively a lot or at LB doesn't mean he can't produce at both. Curry had half the yardage as Hauser with almost 1/4 of the carries. Curry was on the D-line and Hauser a LB, Hauser should have more tackles at LB than a D-lineman and Curry had half as many which is a testament to what he does as a D-lineman.

Rushing

M. Hauser 15 carries 66 yds 3 TD 4.3 Avg

C. Curry 4 carries 36 yds 1 TD 9.0 Avg

Receiving

M. Hauser 3 targets 2 catches 16 yds 0 TD 

C. Curry 0 targets 0 catches 0 yds 0 TD

Tackles

M. Hauser 5 solo 5 assist 10 total 0 TFL

C. Curry 1 solo 4 assist 5 total 0 TFL

Now I thought Popeye Williams had a terrific game with 6 solo 3 assist 9 total 1 sack 2 TFL. However you don't see Popeye play on Offense. Curry while a very dominant D-lineman also plays well on offense (when CG decides to insert him) and I believe I read he also long snaps (not sure). I think when you look at the stats and compare touches it doesn't put Hauser as the best player on the field. In all honesty there  were a bunch of terrific players on the field in the 6A game and quite honestly they were all performing on the biggest stage.

10 hours ago, Grover said:

Yeah, it's kinda tough to look like world-beaters 28 games in a row.  

TV announcers said the prefect thing after they had talked to Coach Moore. Coach Moore stated there was a period in time they were the "Hunters" and now they are the "Hunted" and he feels it is very tough being the "Hunted". What some like Temp don't take into account is what Coaching Staffs endure. when you are winning it is not an easy task to keep teenage boys grounded. By that I mean complacent or overzealous. It is a constant battle for coaches to work on them sticking with the fundamentals even if they have major talent. I think Coach Moore and his staff have done a masterful job doing just that. Congrats to the Trojans Grover, they definitely earned that 28-0 back to back champions.

11 hours ago, Bobref said:

I was pleased to see that the officiating was pretty good for all 6 games. Not perfect, there will always be a few misses. But officiating was a non-factor this weekend, just the way we like it.

I felt all the crews did a great job officiating (even if another had an axe to grind because their crew didn't make the finals). Mistakes can and will happen, but even in the mistakes they were not game changing errors IMHO.

9 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

And I will admit this. 

It is not now, nor ever would be my position to question a coaching decision, a player's decision or otherwise.  My concern is to officiate the game to the very best of my ability with 4 other guys.  Then hope that nothing we did was a deciding factor in the outcome.  

Grover, you and I have conversed for years.  It's kinda nice to be able to speak with "legacy GID members" in a respectful manner about a game that we all love! 

Westfield is a heck of a program.  Coach Gilbert is a damn machine with his ability to mold them into his image:  Tough, hard-nosed and pressing!  

As for Center Grove....well, I would think that those who anticipating them to lose relevance may be sadly disappointed.  Coach Moore seems to "re-load", not re-construct, IMO.  

As a FW/Northern Indiana guy...I'd like to thank those in the HCC/MIC for allowing us to "make an appearance" in the tournament each year (by rule).  😕

Thought your crew did a great job! A lot of terrific athletes on that field. I could tell at times there was good interaction between the players and your crew, which tells me the players had the utmost respect for your crew. Just have to make sure I get your autograph if I ever meet you in person now that you are a television star! Keep up the good work, felt you guys officiated the game near flawless which is all you can ask for!

On 11/27/2021 at 10:34 PM, PHJIrish said:

I'm done responding to posters like you.  You are worth the keystrokes.

Good observation, when they can't even type proposal and come with a completely ignorant proposal it shouldn't garner much attention. Stay well PHJ!

10 hours ago, Dave007 said:

😅

Our turn to play at your house.

What is interesting, is should we (hopefully) move to 6A it looks like a forgone conclusion we will fall in the Section 8 sectional as there are only two other teams besides you guys (Columbus North, Franklin Central).  That means next year we could conceivably draw each other in the first game of sectional.  Cant imagine either program possibly not playing in month of November next year!

Congrats on great season.

It will likely depend on who is in 6A. When Cathedral was in 6A previously they had Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, and North Central in Sectional 6. It will be interesting to see how they shake out Sectionals if Cathedral and Zionsville move up to 6A.

2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Reading comprehension an issue??  

Nope definitely not an issue (nice try at a dig though). If you would like I can paste an earlier post where you used your "result to name calling" rubbish because I stated "Word to Jack-o-Lantern world". Like I said thicker skin is definitely needed and the White Goodman "I'm better than you and I know it" sentiment is old and wore out. Moving on.

18 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

 

Everything I say is dumb?  Back to insults…your other tactic…when you can’t hang….

RENT FREE DUDE!! 🤣

Truth hurt? I mean you felt it was name calling with the comment "Word to jack-o-lantern world" hope you grow some thicker skin. Heaven forbid @Olympian06brings the pain. You might need a therapist!

3 hours ago, Slobberknocker said:

Playing on turf for a big game is just a ihsaa conspiracy against Cathedral because they believe that big games should be played in the mud at a stadium that has a great tradition such as Arlington middle school.

No they only save that for Center Grove and cry baby's like yourself! Nothing better than letting a crybaby about officiating from the 1990's to hurt their feelings with a game on Natural grass.

2 hours ago, temptation said:

It will be interesting to see how these two teams react if the game is close as both have won every playoff game thus far in blowout fashion.

I get the hint from a couple of Cathedral fans on here that despite the final scores, they’ve been less than impressive in some facets of the game (defensively).

I am still going with the Irish in this one but as I have more time to think about it I think it’s going to be much closer than people anticipate.

Gimme Cathedral 30-17.

Not sure what Cathedral fans you have been conversating with. However Defensively is not one of the weaknesses I have observed with Cathedral. They are pretty stout and dominant defensively. On Offense they can have their moments! I am not sure how you can speak about weakness defensively when it literally took until Semi-state before a TD was scored in 1st quarter (including CG) and only a couple games 2nd quarter (even CG didn't score in Q2). In fact the few points they have given up were in 2nd qtr. Most games it is against the number 2's that points are scored. Now offensively they have some bad spots but are up and down. Defensively they seem fast and play well (minus the penalties they get here and there).

Still it will be closer than some may think. More of a defensive battle between the 2 teams if you ask me.

When it comes to closer games, I don't see that being a problem for the Irish with who they have played even though they have blown out teams in the post season.

Just now, temptation said:

True story but I believe that game was foreshadowing what we have seen from them in the semi state the last two trips.

Agreed

11 hours ago, temptation said:

How’d that workout when Merrillville scheduled CHATARD in 2020?

Win those ones first, otherwise beating the MIC in the regular season and tournament is a pipe dream.

If we are being technical Merrillville didn't initially schedule Bishop Chatard. The game was made possible by Covid-19 cancellations and both teams needing an opponent.

11 hours ago, Staxawax said:

To be honest, nobody outside of Fortville gave the Marauders a chance against Roncalli. That’s why you weren’t hearing anything. 

I will agree with that statement that most didn't think they had a chance against Roncalli (including myself). The Marauders haven't really been in the dark the last 3 years though. They beat Roncalli in 2019 (Although the Rebels/Royals weren't as good in 2019 as 2021) losing to Ev. Memorial. Last year they lost to Roncalli. I think they have a very good shot this year at winning the 4A State Title. Obviously Northridge is there for a reason. Both teams seem to be on a mission, should make for a fun State Championship game.