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1 hour ago, BTF said:

Why do Indy schools dominate 6A in your opinion?

This has been discussed more times than I can count since being a part of the GID dating back to the oldest format with TA at the helm (6A prior to that 5A). There are many factors (not just one) as an answer to that. I didn't bring anything up just asked a simple question. Look I'm sorry you and others are aggravated by my opinion that Center Grove will beat FW Carroll. I am entitled to that opinion and stand by it. If they don't then I will eat my crow. Nothing you or any one else post will change my opinion. 

Gameday is Friday we will soon find out. 

11 minutes ago, Piratefan101 said:

I haven’t disappeared and that other tag isn’t me. I been here. I’m actually in the hospital. Been really sick and had surgery 

If you look at it. It says they were suspended this year and are in probation. Problem is. The transfers we got for this year didn’t play they were only given JV eligible. So they will be here next year. We still have 3-5 more good years coming. Especially with the rest of 5A not looking strong 

7 minutes ago, Piratefan101 said:

But the Joliet catholic/ Hobart pipeline isn’t o btw don’t look now merrillville has 7 kids that enrolled right after they lost. They will be eligible. 😂 there were ways around the system.. and btw it was over 1 westside kid that is still at merrillville he was just given limitined eligibility this year. He will be a WR next year 

Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.

15 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

We’ve heard it for years. Indy area schools are so good because of their schedule. But lord knows if they lose a game deep into the playoffs, it was because their schedule is so tough. 

Can you give me a reason why you wouldn't hear that? If you look at 6A and 5A (it has been dominated by Indy area schools). Sucks to look at for those outside of Indy area schools but it is the truth.

14 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Sidebar - Did anyone find it weird that the IndyStar was there (at least for photos) for Carroll vs HSE, but didn't actually make an article covering and recapping the game? I don't want to read too much into that but I thought it was interesting...

No I did not find it weird. The IndyStar sends out and/or contracts photographers and/or videographers to several games. Those photographers and videographer are not the ones writing the articles. They will send those photographers and videographers to games that Indianapolis and surrounding county teams are playing in. HSE is one of those surrounding county teams. The ones writing the articles can't be at multiple games.

The ones writing the articles covered:

Torres - Bishop Chatard vs West Lafayette

Neddenreip - Cathedral vs Center Grove 

Glespie - Roncalli vs East Central

Haenchen - Lutheran vs North Decatur

4 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

So Carroll beats the #1 team in the state, HSE, in a game they controlled throughout, yet Center Grove is going to manhandle Carroll? Not following the logic here. CG may very well win this game, as almost every person predicted that HSE would beat Carroll, but give some respect to Carroll. They aren’t scrubs and beat a 6A powerhouse in convincing fashion.

Yes HSE was the number 1 team in the State via rankings after beating Brownsburg 31-28. Brownsburg had a 28-14 lead at halftime, Brownsburg's star QB Whitaker was injured shortly before halftime and did not play the 2nd half. Brownsburg did not score in the 2nd half as a direct result, and HSE came back and won the game. If it makes you feel any better I would have the same sentiment if HSE were playing Center Grove in the State Finals instead of Carroll after what CG did to Cathedral.

53 minutes ago, CoachShanley said:

I normally just stick to reading on this board.  But this is not factual at all.  Our team was much different as it relates to personnel from Week 1 vs. Week 12.  Without a doubt, playing Cathedral Week 1 exposed areas where we had to drastically improve in order to be playing good football come November.  Congrats to both Carroll and Center Grove on great seasons.  Looking forward to a great match-up on Friday. 

What was not factual about my statement: "Jefferson vs Cathedral and Jefferson vs Carroll both teams were healthy"  Both teams were healthy in the games. I didn't mention anything about the personnel changes. Many teams are playing some different personnel come playoffs after finding areas to improve on. I only made the statement the teams were healthy, something that Cathedral was not against Penn having 2 key players down.

15 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I do not necessarily think Carroll is going to win this game, but to all the "naysayers" in these comments that are continuing to point back to the Lafayette Jeff game in the Regionals, you all realize you're cherry picking one game right? Teams can have "off" games as we all should know by now. I look back to this weekend in college football for two prime examples.

Baylor lost 31-3 two weeks ago against Kansas State - and then almost beat an undefeated TCU team this week. If everyone was holding that Kansas State game against the Bears, instead of seeing it as a potential off game, no one would have given them a shot against the Horned Frogs.

South Carolina lost 38-6 two weeks ago against Florida... then puts up 63 points in their smack down of Tennesee this week. Who saw that coming after their terrible performance against the Gators?

Point being - if the reasoning you are using to doubt Carroll is because of their 21-20 victory on the road in the Regionals against a team that was 9-2, I would find another angle.

I see this game being a low-ish scoring affair. The Chargers have a STOUT defense (only giving up 9.8 ppg this year) which held Lafayette Jeff to their lowest point total all season, and HSE to their second lowest point total all season. But Center Grove is a well oiled machine, and has been there, done that exeperience on their side.

Center Grove wins 24-20

FW Carroll did not hold Lafayette Jeff to their lowest point total all season. Jeff scored 20 points against Carroll, Cathedral held Jeff to 12 points.

I can be called a naysayer and will accept that. I fully believe Center Grove will beat Carroll rather easily, Carroll will battle but CG will overmatch them physically and with experience. I may be wrong who knows and I will eat my crow if I am.

15 minutes ago, BTF said:

If you're going to continue bringing up the close game with Jeff and the fact that Jeff got clobbered by Cathedral, then it's only fair to bring up the fact that Carroll manhandled Penn whereas Cathedral struggled. 

Another example would be Center Grove's close call with Franklin Central in the sectionals. Sagarin has Jeff and FC neck and neck, with Jeff three places higher. 

You're better off just saying Center Grove is better "just because." There are no good examples.

Temp is making the most sense in giving CG the benefit of the doubt based on 'been there done that.' 

What about HSE's last two victories? They beat very good teams in Fisher's and Westfield by 22 and 20 respectively. Brownsburg beat Fishers and Westfield by 13 and 17. Again............"CG is better than Carroll just because," has as much merit as anything that I've heard or read. 

My prediction: Center Grove. Just because they are Center Grove. 

Cathedral struggled with Penn for 1 half (missing several players like their top TE (Wooten) and RB (Johnson) who just ran for 226 yards against CG). Cathedral still dismantled Penn 35-21. Jefferson vs Cathedral and Jefferson vs Carroll both teams were healthy. The Final score of Carroll vs Jeff 21-20 and Jeff had the ball 3rd and goal from the 2 in the middle of the 4th, and then even got another shot. The Penn Cathedral game was never in doubt in the 2nd half.

I wouldn't compare the two games. Regardless nothing will change my sentiment. Carroll has had a great season and just getting to Lucas Oil Stadium is a great feat and neat experience for their players. When the ball is kicked on Friday night though they will be in for a tough night. They will battle but will be overmatched.

As far as HSE's last 2 victories over Westfield and Fishers being close. #1 Fishers and HSE is a huge rivalry game, Fisher's is the split off from HSE growing too big that they had to make 2 High Schools. Westfield is in their conference they see both these teams EVERY year in the regular season. Of course I would expect it to be close tight games.

22 hours ago, StinkTownClown said:

Stinky, Stink, Stink 1.2..3....

The Tigers are going to Lucas and you can bet, so is STC!

Tiger BL's & Lattes all weekend made it hard to see

I guess we're playing the Catholics from Chatard in Indy!

The mighty Trojans some say they cant be beat

STC will get all those Altar boys drunk, then they'll go down in defeat

STC may need to go repent, but that's going to be awhile cause I haven't been sober and wont till after this event.

Public Schools Forever - Catholic Schools Never!!! 

 

Does this mean the Ole StinkTownClown is going Soft with a capital "s" on us?!?! We need to get @Donnie Bakerto pull the corn cob out of your @$$ and get you back to normalcy (I am sure he will tell you right to your face). 😂

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Like I continued to fall for Monrovia in not picking them and Valpo last week, I am a bit afraid to doubt an undefeated Carroll team.

That being said, I do expect the "been there done that" expectation that has now been established at CG gives them a decisive advantage here.  The expectation at CG is for the position, not the player.  In other words, they do not drop off or "rebuild" after graduation losses.  Very few, if any current Indiana high school programs can say that.

Taking nothing away from Carroll, but HSE was also in unchartered waters last week but CG will not be.

I am hoping for a good game despite what some on here think of my "central Indiana" bias but I think CG rolls here.

I like the FW Carroll team and how hard they play. I personally think HSE is not undefeated if Brownsburg's QB is healthy and plays the second half as I feel Brownsburg would have beat them by at least 2 TD's (that is just a personal opinion). The one glaring thing that makes it tough for me to not say CG dominates this game is Lafayette Jefferson. Carroll won 21-20 (were on the brink of losing that). Lafayette Jefferson was pretty much dismantled and blown out by Cathedral. With a terrific Cathedral offense and at the time (week 1) a weak but learning Cathedral defense (they were 100% better by the time they played Semi-State, but were shaky in the first 3 weeks with 9 new starters).

If Carroll only threw up 21 points against Lafayette Jeff (understanding teams improve so did CG) and allowed 20 points against Lafayette Jeff. It doesn't look good when you have to play a team like Center Grove who will be solid Offensively and defensively. I could be totally wrong and Carroll could come out and lay the smack down, if that happens I will eat every bit of that crow. I thing CG wins very easily, if any team was going to knock CG off it was going to be Cathedral.

On 11/18/2022 at 11:18 PM, CaptainHook said:

I was at this game.  Irish RB #3 needed 40+ carries to win.  Didn't get them. CG took away first read outside the hash and result was a lot of sacks. Irish scored first 10 points running  the ball and stopping the run, but neither of those things lasted.  I thought CG threw the ball too much in first quarter.

I agree with this post 100%. Cathedral has had a lot of games with very good passing numbers. In this game however they needed to just ride their run game. It became obvious CG wanted to take away the pass and force the Irish to run and they did very well with it when they did. In the second qtr they went away from the run and sacks and penalties put them in the hole forcing them to punt into the wind. Every possession CG had in the second qtr was inside the 50 (a couple inside the 40.

In hindsight probably should have stuck with the run and went to short passes with 3 step drop. The Cathedral defense although stats won't totally show played really well. The offense put them in bad positions giving CG a short field. The biggest issue I saw with Cathedral's defense at time was wrapping up, there were a couple of runs they hit the RB in the backfield or at LOS and didn't wrap up. The terrific CG backs turned those into HUGE runs.

Special teams were not helpfull. When you give the ball to the other team on all their scoring drives inside the 50 it hasn't been a good nght for Special Teams. Also can't settle for FG's (or an INT trying to force something) inside the Redzone against a great team like CG. Great learning experience this year for a terrific young QB for Cathedral. Kid is only a Junior and had probably his worst game.

Congrats to CG they didn't start out great but kept battling. I also want to say RB #3 Johnson is a warrior, he is fun to watch always pumping his legs even though he is not a big RB.

Some doubt for Center Grove in this one? I don't think there is any doubt. FW Carroll has had a great season and should garner respect. Even with their win against HSE, it won't be as good of a game as many would hope. I say that because I look at their 21-20 win over Lafayette Jefferson. That really to me garners attention. The same Lafayette Jefferson team that lost to Cathedral 43-12. Center Grove will not be Lafayette Jefferson or HSE. They will present some problems for Carroll no matter how good many feel their defense is. I think CG has seen plenty of good defense's and offense's and won't be in awe with being at Lucas Oil Stadium. Center Grove is very disciplined in what they do. I will take CG 35-10 or 35-17.

22 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Please God…let Lawrencburg win against the evil cheating Catholics!

The neat thing about Bishop Chatard football is they post their roster with the elementary school each player attended. I think maybe 2 on the entire roster didn't attend a Catholic elementary school.  Apparently the cheating starts with getting to them before they start Kindergarten 😂🤣

https://bishopchatardathletics.org/wp-content/uploads/Football-Roster.pdf

1 hour ago, nmsu_aggie said:

The $17 fee is for all of the SS games tonight only.  It doesn’t apply to next weekends games. 
 

Thanks to Gonzoron, I am getting all of the games tonight for $17. 

I do believe next weekends games will be free.

On 11/16/2022 at 8:46 AM, Bobref said:

Keep your eye on the ball. This started as a discussion of whether the all in format is the best way to construct a post season, in order to promote the interests of Indiana high school football. If what we are trying to do is design a system that works best for all of Indiana High School Football, every season, the feel-good Monrovia story is irrelevant. 

Actually if you read the title of the thread it says "Cinderella is a myth" and this statement was made: "One of the biggest talking points for keeping the all-in is this roundabout myth that bottom half Sagarin teams flourish in the state tournament. Short answer is....they don't."

Yet here we sit with a bottom half Sagarin team flourishing and being the Cinderella that is a myth in Monrovia after beating respectable teams in Speedway, Danville, and Owen Valley. That makes them very relevant. I mean the data has only been tracked for a recent amount of time. For the other data only Sagarin data after the State Championships (which is completely different than week 9) was used. You can have a team that was in the lower half after week 9, but after the State Championship they could have been in the bottom half

14 minutes ago, Rodney said:

pick a direction and travel some distance in that direction

We'll say north and one hundred miles, for simplicities sake.

Once you have finished your one hundred miles

turn 90 degrees to your right or left and travel one hundred miles

once you have completed that, once again turn 90 degrees (This time to the opposite of your last turn)

and travel one hundred miles

what is your location?

if you guessed, one hundred miles to the east or west of my start point (depending upon which your first turn was)

you would be correct

however in a spherical model

you would arrive back at your point of departure.













(since you don't enjoy being fun I'll note I don't actually believe this, and this model expanded to a larger number of miles in each direction would have you arriving at your start point, actually theoretically you could travel any number of miles after your first turn and it wouldn't matter.)

Oh I fully understand you were doing it in fun. Just love taking blows at Flerf's (flatheads any chance I can not meaning you).

While having fun save some time on the hundred miles and drive however many miles it takes to go to an ocean. Watch a ship go out to sea and explain what happens.

Time travel didn't seem to have an effect on IMG Academy. Their 1 loss was at home compared to their wins in St. Louis, Utah, Alabama, 

5 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

No Bobref ran 19 years worth that day . 

At least we know they kept him in shape!

15 hours ago, Bobref said:

You a Warrior?

And it was only 19 years ago! 😂

Are you still chasing Desmond Tardy for another TD?

11 hours ago, Rodney said:

I don't believe in punting, kicking field goals, the one point conversion, sportsmanship of any kind, the mercy rule, throwing the ball before the final moments of a blowout victory, or the curvature of the earth

 

 I would say I would donate $30 if you could provide factual evidence and disprove the curvature of the Earth, however I know the GID would never receive my donation. So I will donate at the first of the year when the curvature of the Earth has completed a full orbit around the sun.

20 hours ago, Wildcat1992 said:

Pretty simple.  You stop one time (at a rest stop preferably) to do an organized stretch/jog/etc.  and you tell the players to go to the bathroom and that's it.  No buying junk food, etc.  If an a 15-18 year old can't pee before they leave and then has to go more than once in a 3 hour road trip he's got problems.

If you are on a Charter Bus you don't need to stop for a bathroom break. There is a toilet on the bus to be used.

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

Go with the eye patch....intimidating look!!!

8 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

This seems to sell Brotherton (15 carries for 96 yards) a bit short. 

Not sure who would be the ‘best RB’ on the field, but I would say EC has the most dynamic running game with their two backs. 

Like all November games this one will come down to protecting the football and playing defense. Whichever team does that better will win and have a favorable matchup at LOS.

I didn't sell Brotherton short. I gave the leading rusher from both teams in their week 9 match up and said they are both terrific backs. Brotherton is a terrific back too.

1 hour ago, PHJIrish said:

I had my follow-up eye check-up this morning and I'm good to go tomorrow night!  I will be wearing googles and I'll be dressed with all the warm clothes I can find!   It's playoff weather!

12 hours ago, BL1985trojans said:

The real question is whether Hansen is the best RB on the field Friday night?

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Speaking of bad calls….

I have seen this 2 times now.

Week 9 Roncalli at East Central

Rushing (Car-Yds):

Roncalli - Luke Hansen 29-120

East Central - Josh Ringer 26-117

Looks like they are both terrific RB's to me.

Like I stated before, if East Central turns the ball over (2 Int's 2 Fum in week 9) it will not go the way they hope. If they don't they have a very good shot at winning this game. Both teams are hard nosed and physical.

10 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Bigfoot is a myth … and yet, there are still sightings. 😆🤣

It was inevitable that this would happen sometime. Bad luck for @Footballking16that it happened this season. But this has been tracked every year I can remember this debate going on, and this is the first time I recall it happening. The bottom line is that it is statistically insignificant. The basic question remains: do you design a system to accommodate the statistical outlier that occurs once every ten years or so? Or, do you design a system that returns benefits every season, to the disadvantage of the one team per decade that bucks the odds?

6 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

That's my approach and the numbers once again prove what I've been saying for years and a statistical improbability doesn't change the fact or narrative that the current format is flawed.

It'd be akin to a public health official coming out and saying it's a myth that jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge is dangerous because one person one time survived. Sadly, people would believe it. 

Bigfoot and a Cinderella Story are 2 different things though. One people claim to have sightings, the other there is real life statistical and even game footage of it happening that is unedited with no photoshop images. No matter how insignificant you deem it, it is there and is undeniable. It has no comparison to a public health official coming out and saying it is a myth that jumping off the golden gate bridge is dangerous because one person one time survived.

It has happened and no matter if it is a rare occurrence or not it is still a possibility which in a contrary position would not be possible. I know there is the steadfast turn the blind eye look of denial because it only happened this year. In all honesty the data is skewed towards an only rather recent study of it. Some of the other data (using sagarin) came only using past data after the fact of the season. There may (or may not) have been more teams outside of the top half with similar outside the top half of sagarin. That is impossible to judge because sagarin changes week by week. When you go pull data after a State Championship it won't be the same as the end of the regular season. Just like this year Monrovia after last week will get a boost in sagarin compared to where they were in week 8 because of their upset wins.

You can't however deny and say that "Cinderella is a myth" when a dispute of that is smacking you right in the face.