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On 9/27/2023 at 8:19 AM, Lysander said:

Coach Doyle is an Andrean grad.  Played QB there.  I think the last time these two played one another was 21 years ago in the State Championship game.

2002, can't believe I remember that year so vividly even though it was 21 years ago. The year prior 2001 didn't they play each other in the State Championship also in an Offensive thriller 3-0 final in favor of Chatard?

On 9/24/2023 at 1:15 PM, Footballking16 said:

Somebody from OSU sure as hell spotted it. They ran right where the missing defensive lineman should have been.

Eh, Inside Zone was designed to go wherever there is an opening. Unfortunately ND left a huge opening on that side. They would have ran that same play if there was 10, 11, or 12 players. 

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

Take a look at this lineup. Photo is as #80 approaches the ball for an onside kick. When he kicked the ball he was still in the neutral zone. K recovered the onside kick. Legal, or not?
 

 

It's always legal until you get caught!

8 minutes ago, Lysander said:

He’s putting some dirt in it.

On 9/20/2023 at 9:14 PM, DumfriesYMCA said:

I gotta asK cuz I’m not close to Chatard/Indy

 

is this one of those special Chatard teams?

 

Brebeuf Roncalli and cathedral…why did we let them come back down to 3A? Lol  

Chatard is not flashy this year. They are a typical Chatard team though play all the way until the end with constant hard effort. Nobody is going to wow you, but they play very fundamentally strong. Defense returns a lot of experience especially in the secondary. The defense is good enough that the Offense can work out the kinks to find themselves through the season. Offense does have some very good skill players that will be even better as they gel together.

15 hours ago, Just a dad said:

@DumfriesYMCA Not sure if BCHS is a “special” team this year. The defense is much better since 7 of this year’s starters return from last years defense where they also started. So senior defense but the skill positions are not as deep or talented on offense. They graduated their QB, top 2 WRs and top 2 TEs. The O line is bigger which should help them control the ball. Against Brebeuf, the BJHS coach essentially said his team wasn’t prepared and got tired. Roncalli was a close game and (as with the last two years) could have gone either way. In the Cathedral game the coaches figured out how to make O’Neil uncomfortable by disguising coverages and putting pressure in his face. They were losing that game 21-0 until the defense got it’s feet under it. They could just as easily be 1-2 in conference. That being said, they have a tremendous amount of fight in them and won’t be intimidated by anyone. They are beatable but a team will have to win in the trenches and be able to throw effectively if they get behind. From what I am seeing, there are some talented teams in 3A. As always, though, BCHS will be battle tested going into the playoffs while some teams play a much weaker schedule. A quick check of Calpreps trends says that Lincoln looks like the team that will face the toughest competition the rest of the way. Going into the playoffs after playing a bunch of teams with negative ratings is no way to prepare kids for the grind. It does make the fans of those teams feel good, though. Until they face unfamiliar pressure and typically that is when the cracks show. 

Chatard did a very good job of doing exactly what you said against Cathedral. They took advantage of Cathedral's QB still working the kinks out with the WR's and put pressure and disguised coverages. Offensively Chatard loosened up Cathedral's defense with their QB running and making plays opening the pass a little more.

7 hours ago, Boilernation said:

Agreed. I always thought of Shannon has a great HS RB whose insane numbers were more a product of his environment, i.e, 2 NFL OL and Cathedrals offense as a whole.

Banks was a much better all around player (could throw, run, kick, coverage, drive the bus, etc)

Shannon did enjoy the luxury of some outstanding Offensive Lineman (and a TE that went to the NFL as a D-lineman). His vision, stop and go, speed, footwork were amazing. His line would open him a hole and then when he got to 5 yards he could stop and jump cut or cut on the move and be back to full speed quickly. He also had tremendous power and leg strength at contact, his open field speed was very deceiving.

He wasn't the tallest RB. He also did on occasion when needed play defense as a DB in coverage. He also could throw the ball extremely well. In the 1999 4A State Finals (Goshen vs Cathedral) game trailing 21-17 he threw a beautiful halfback pass and on the next play ran it in from 2 yards out to take the lead 24-21 with 52 seconds left

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Richard and Moore did more than alright for themselves as both had legitimate professional careers unless I am mistaken.  

I wasn't saying they didn't have legit careers just they were fun to watch. Moore had some good return yards in NFL. Richards went MLB route.

7 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Dray Mason in this category? Great guy btw. I connected with him about 10 years ago and he was a stand up guy so humble 

Dray Mason unfortunately was not a Mr. Football award winner as Clayton Richards won it that year. He was an exciting RB to watch though. Devin Moore from Cardinal Ritter was fun to watch too.

25 minutes ago, Lysander said:

I’m shocked…

It is stunning!

2 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Public, Private, Parochial? Enrollment?  Co-Ed?

Public

Enrollment 1,441

Co-Ed

2 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

A 6'3 265 lb WR??? Lord

I know they have a junior WR who has a ton of P5 offers as well. 

It was a typo on Calpreps he is an Interior Offensive Lineman.

The WR is A. Chenault 6' 2" 165 and is a JR being recruited by Kentucky, Illinois, Michigan, Ole Miss, and West Virginia.

7 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Don't know much about Frederick Douglas, other than they won a KY state championship last year and they're relatively new (2017).

I'm too old to make this trip so I'll be a keyboard jockey this week.

Frederick Douglass Broncos sit at #2 in Kentucky 6A and are 2-2

@ Archbishop Hoban [5-0] (OH) Lost 45-6

@ Trinity [2-3] (KY) Won 17-14

Tates Creek [3-2] (KY) Won  43-0 

@ Corbin [4-0] (KY) Lost 6-0

D1 College Prospects

Z. Madison 6'5" 315 Senior IOL 3.5 Star (Committed Arkansas)
D. Kennedy 6'3" 265 Senior WR 3.5 Star (Committed Purdue)
J. Lowe 5'11" 170 Senior CB 3.5 Star (Committed Michigan)
T. Hicks 5'11" 170 Senior CB  3 Star (Committed Northwestern)

On 9/15/2023 at 8:22 AM, foxbat said:

Remember the collective team groan on morning practice days during warm-ups when after toe-touches, coach would yell, "On your butts" ... or something more colorful if our previous game performance was lacking somehow ... to do butterflies? 

Especially during Two-a-days!

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

We also need to petition the IHSAA to not allow tournament games on grass fields. That should give all those p/p schools out there more motivation to replace their cow pastures with pristine, perfect artificial surfaces.  

Not to worry the IHSAA has already slightly been frowning upon grass fields for Tournament play.

13 hours ago, Ballhawk said:

The statement made is that it will save money on upkeep for the life of the turf.  I want to see the numbers to prove that.

Again, I'm not against turf, but I want to know the truth about cost savings, not that more kids could use it.  At a small school, only band and youth football might use it.  Does that justify the cost?  Does the soccer team want to play on turf?

Here is one for 2 NFL stadium comparison. I will point out that while product cost is not much difference (at the NFL level). There is a huge difference in man hours (almost double for natural grass). Man hours are not cheap either, so you are almost doubling the cost for Natural Grass at the NFL level.

9 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Remember. we are EQUATING most High School fields to that of Collegiate and Professional fields.

At the HS level "Cletus and his friends" are probably maintaining the turf.  Let's be serious people! 

I'll agree at many Collegiate, and EVERY Professional level, a grass surface would be maintained at a level that none other could achieve.  

We are comparing apples and nuclear bombs!  

Winner winner chicken dinner! 100% agree!

2 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Except they’ve done studies specifically focused on high school and found the exact same stuff: 

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You are missing the nuances in the reports though. The study is looking at injuries and did they happen on Turf or on grass. It also points out to wear the proper shoes/cleats, in other words the study didn't account for how many were actually wearing the proper shoes/cleats. It also didn't look at how or what caused the injury. Just because there is a "ACL" injury does not mean that injury was caused by turf or grass. They could have stepped onto another player and injured their ACL. Having watch specifically Aaron Rodgers injury his foot planted into the ground (which could happen on grass or turf) and as he was being tackled it stuck tearing his achilles, this 100% could happen on any playing surface. Heck I watched an torn achilles by a motorcross racer who wasn't touching grass or turf with his foot but a foot peg and had on motorcross boots.

A study that broad can be turned many ways. Look up studies on deaths in cars vs airplanes. Should everyone switch to their own personal airplane?

12 hours ago, scarab527 said:

I think it's funny that all of the people who play the game at the highest level possible are in near-unanimous agreement that grass is easier on the body, while a bunch of guys sitting on their couches watching them go "Nuh-uh you're wrong!"

Go run on Rose Hulman's Football field, any turf field, and any high school that has Natural grass and let me know what difference you feel (I have done all of the above. The people who play the game at the highest level possible aren't playing on High School natural grass when they do play on Natural Grass. Rose Hulman happens to have NFL grass that was installed when the Colts used their facility for training camp.

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Yeah, it does bother me.  As I have stated before such expensive extravagances have no place in a game played by children.

At least Rodgers is probably set to get millions of guaranteed money.  I doubt the 16-year old high school player does.

 

https://nflpa.com/posts/only-natural-grass-can-level-the-nfls-playing-field

It is expensive to upkeep on a grass field as well.

An achiles injury can and does happen on a grass field too.

1 hour ago, Lysander said:

I agree that I think it’s hard to get a pinpoint measure on any of those teams individually from those rivalry games and I also agree that East Central, by all appearances appears better than last year (and they were simply a “machine” in the post-season last year).  But Roncalli also appeared to be absolutely dominant the last couple of years and failed in both years to make it to Lucas.  
 

As regards 4A South, no one here ever really knows anymore what is coming out of Evansville because of the recently closed SAC but Memorial and/or Reitz could be great for all I know.  That leaves East Central, Roncalli, New Pal, and either Memorial or Reitz to contend for the South.  I’d also keep in mind that the East Central/Roncalli game has taken on a level of rivalry much like the Cathedral/Chatard/Roncalli games and it’s possible even an overpowering East Central falters in such a game.  New Pal doesn’t appear to be as completely overpowering as recent years so it’s entirely within the range of probability that Roncalli survives to make it to State.

The only thought I have outside of that is that, based on the last decade or so of experience, the likely winner comes out of the South - whoever that winner is.

I can totally agree with this.

Right now I have in 4A:

1.) East Central

Next tier (you can mix them all around)

2.) Kokomo

3.) Ev. Reitz

4.) Ev Memorial

5.) Roncalli

6.) New Pal

Next Tier is a mix of several teams. I definitely think the South is over powering the North as of right now.

17 hours ago, temptation said:

Roncalli’s demise (especially after what Chatard did this weekend) has been greatly exaggerated in my opinion.

17 hours ago, Lysander said:

Yes….it has.  

Anyone overlooking Roncalli does so very much at their peril. 

I wouldn't over look them, but East Central is a large mountain to climb (so long as they stay healthy). Aside from East Central I think Roncalli is on par with the rest of 4A. The most difficult games to gauge are Roncalli vs Chatard, Chatard vs Cathedral, and Cathedral vs Roncalli. You just never know what you are going to get in these games with the rivalries.

14 hours ago, Rodney said:

does that even really count as on the road

Yes they didn't have to walk 3.1 miles in the snow uphill to get there this time though. Probably also didn't have to pack snacks and waters for the long 6 minute bus ride either. 

9 hours ago, Southside said:

I'm pretty sure that most of the top Chatard and Cathedral football players work out together at the exact same facility, with the exact same trainers. They go to Genesis Sports Performance on 65th Street.

You mean they don't work out at Globo Gym?

1 hour ago, roaringthunderdlr said:

Could be biased here, but I feel you have to rank Plainfield here. Their defense looks very good, and while I do feel that Snider and Valpo would probably beat them, I think Plainfield is the 3rd best team in 5A. The Perry team that played them close is not the Perry team of years past: they would be a contender in 5A if they were in that division.

Plainfield would be at about #28 or #29. Not quite in the Top 25 yet.

31 minutes ago, BTF said:

Embarrassing that the lights went out and changed the trajectory of the game? Or embarrassing that they lost to a smaller school. Isn't Chatard privy to the same kind of resources that Cathedral is? I'm asking an honest question since I don't live in Indy. 

The lights going out didn't change the trajectory of the game. Chatard after going down 21-0 in 1st quarter grabbed the momentum in 2nd qtr scoring 10 points. Then on Saturday kept the momentum scoring 14 more points. Chatard's defense bent but didn't break after Q1. The lights were just a side object.

2 minutes ago, Trojan said:

1.)If the money can be put together to build an off-site soccer/lacrosse stadium, can't it be found for a better solution for the football team?  If Tech is at UofI, why couldn't the same arrangement be made with them that they have with Arlington?

1.) That could be in the works 2.)Tech is at U of I because their field at Tech is out of commission