Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 We are talking about supposedly the BEST of the BEST..... Exacltly my point.... BJ and U and R all have 3 seperate and distinct roles..... Why would it matter if those 3 worked together all year or not? Same with Line judges.... your job is to do your responsibilities to your area of mechanics defined by the rules of football officials..... How does these roles as defined different when you work with same crew or do not work with same crew at the highest level known as NFL? No one has answered this question. Just because I do not know the other linejudge, that changes my technique/mechanics? Quote
Sparty Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 11 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: We are talking about supposedly the BEST of the BEST..... Exacltly my point.... BJ and U and R all have 3 seperate and distinct roles..... Why would it matter if those 3 worked together all year or not? Same with Line judges.... your job is to do your responsibilities to your area of mechanics defined by the rules of football officials..... How does these roles as defined different when you work with same crew or do not work with same crew at the highest level known as NFL? No one has answered this question. Just because I do not know the other linejudge, that changes my technique/mechanics? How come there are incomplete passes in the pro bowl (when it was actually a game)? These are the best of the best, correct? They are all taught the same, correct? Quote
Bobref Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 13 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: We are talking about supposedly the BEST of the BEST..... Exacltly my point.... BJ and U and R all have 3 seperate and distinct roles..... Why would it matter if those 3 worked together all year or not? Same with Line judges.... your job is to do your responsibilities to your area of mechanics defined by the rules of football officials..... How does these roles as defined different when you work with same crew or do not work with same crew at the highest level known as NFL? No one has answered this question. Just because I do not know the other linejudge, that changes my technique/mechanics? I go back to my offensive line analogy. Working with the same people week after week forms you into a unit — much more so than a collection of All-Stars who have never worked with one another before. I was fortunate enough to work with the same crew for 25 seasons. I was not tempted to look outside my area of responsibility, because I knew exactly where everyone else was going to be and what they were going to be looking at. That ability to focus on my responsibilities without having to concern myself with what someone else is doing made me a better official. Everyone uses the same mechanics, but that’s not like a choreography, where everyone is taking the same steps and making the same moves. That’s why the NFL assigns officials as crews during the regular season. If that weren’t better, every week you’d just pull officials’ names out of a hat, and assign the games that way. Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 So thats a nonanswer to my honest inquiry why working with same crew changes the rules of football of the assigned position of the referee crew 1 minute ago, Bobref said: I go back to my offensive line analogy. Working with the same people week after week forms you into a unit — much more so than a collection of All-Stars who have never worked with one another before. I was fortunate enough to work with the same crew for 25 seasons. I was not tempted to look outside my area of responsibility, because I knew exactly where everyone else was going to be and what they were going to be looking at. That ability to focus on my responsibilities without having to concern myself with what someone else is doing made me a better official. Everyone uses the same mechanics, but that’s not like a choreography, where everyone is taking the same steps and making the same moves. That’s why the NFL assigns officials as crews during the regular season. If that weren’t better, every week you’d just pull officials’ names out of a hat, and assign the games that way. So what I just heard was, if youre in the NFL and youre rated the best at your respective position by whatever metric NFL uses, then your not going to do as well as you would the prevous 18 weeks because you are unfamilar to your partners. Interesting Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 12 minutes ago, Sparty said: How come there are incomplete passes in the pro bowl (when it was actually a game)? These are the best of the best, correct? They are all taught the same, correct? it was never anything other than an exhibition game Quote
Bobref Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: So thats a nonanswer to my honest inquiry why working with same crew changes the rules of football of the assigned position of the referee crew So what I just heard was, if youre in the NFL and youre rated the best at your respective position by whatever metric NFL uses, then your not going to do as well as you would the prevous 18 weeks because you are unfamilar to your partners. Interesting I think you saw a good example of that last weekend, when the two short wing officials had trouble with their forward progress spots. And, as far as “not doing as well,” I would add “in certain aspects of officiating the game.” Edited January 30, 2025 by Bobref Quote
Sparty Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 38 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: it was never anything other than an exhibition game I think you may have missed the point Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 1 minute ago, Bobref said: I think you saw a good example of that last weekend, when the two short wing officials had trouble with their forward progress spots. what was trouble about it? 1 saw it one way, the other saw it another way, then they get to a spot This literally happens many times weeks 1-18 as well, if we are being honest , you've all seen it as well, and these are crews that are week to week with each other Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 3 minutes ago, Sparty said: I think you may have missed the point if, so perhaps instead of obscure reference where myself have to figure out your classic short sentence stuff, you could enlighten me on this Quote
Bobref Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 4 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: what was trouble about it? 1 saw it one way, the other saw it another way, then they get to a spot This literally happens many times weeks 1-18 as well, if we are being honest , you've all seen it as well, and these are crews that are week to week with each other They got it right. But I think we can both agree that it would have been “better” if they had both come in with the same spot. I’m certainly not saying a crew of highly-rated officials thrown together for the first time would do a poor job. They likely wouldn’t. I’m saying the game runs more smoothly with a crew that’s been working together. “Smoothly” means fewer causes for controversy that can damage the credibility of subsequent calls. Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 12 minutes ago, Bobref said: They got it right. But I think we can both agree that it would have been “better” if they had both come in with the same spot. I’m certainly not saying a crew of highly-rated officials thrown together for the first time would do a poor job. They likely wouldn’t. I’m saying the game runs more smoothly with a crew that’s been working together. “Smoothly” means fewer causes for controversy that can damage the credibility of subsequent calls. Every Monday, for 18 weeks of regular season football in the NFL there is some sort of conversation point about missed call, bad flag, no flag, bad spot, bad interpretation...... Weeks 1-18 This is not a new thing So in theory, having an all star crew, should not indicate poor officiating, especially, when you stated in the example about the 4th down spot, they got the call right........even if mechanically from the arm chair eyeballs it didn't seem correct the Spot mechanics of the wing officials from HS to NFL have never been 100% every time of the 2 wings coming together on the same spot, half yard here there CONSTANTLY in games, then one will decide to go to the other wings spot before the final spot given This happens EVERY GAME at EVERY LEVEL. Quote
Sparty Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 19 minutes ago, Bobref said: They got it right. But I think we can both agree that it would have been “better” if they had both come in with the same spot. I’m certainly not saying a crew of highly-rated officials thrown together for the first time would do a poor job. They likely wouldn’t. I’m saying the game runs more smoothly with a crew that’s been working together. “Smoothly” means fewer causes for controversy that can damage the credibility of subsequent calls. They all have microphones to each other. Millions of eyes on you. Fix it on the fly then. Quote
Bash Riprock Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 1 hour ago, Bobref said: They got it right. But I think we can both agree that it would have been “better” if they had both come in with the same spot. I’m certainly not saying a crew of highly-rated officials thrown together for the first time would do a poor job. They likely wouldn’t. I’m saying the game runs more smoothly with a crew that’s been working together. “Smoothly” means fewer causes for controversy that can damage the credibility of subsequent calls. not everyone agrees Bob....shame no officiating pool report as there was for the Eagles vs Commanders game. Gene Seratore had a different opinion as well. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10152836-bills-gm-on-josh-allens-controversial-4th-down-vs-chiefs-i-feel-like-he-got-that https://awfulannouncing.com/cbs/afc-championship-fourth-down-review-chiefs-bills-gene-steratore-tony-romo.html https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/there-was-no-pool-report-for-controversial-fourth-down-stop-in-chiefs-bills As the old saying goes, never leave your outcome in the hands of officials. Leave no doubt. Rex Ryan on ESPN said it best...have a 2 TD lead late in the game against KC, so when these things happen, doesn't cost you the game. Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 I believe you have to be 2 tds better than the Chiefs in the 4th quarter like you had to be with Brady in the 4th quarter not because of stripes, because these 2 gentleman have a certain it factor when it comes to making everyone around them that much better and a laser focused drive to execute during key moments of a 60 min game. THE GREAT ONES have this charachteristic Quote
Sparty Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: if, so perhaps instead of obscure reference where myself have to figure out your classic short sentence stuff, you could enlighten me on this My example was very clear. Quote
Sparty Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 20 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: I believe you have to be 2 tds better than the Chiefs in the 4th quarter like you had to be with Brady in the 4th quarter not because of stripes, because these 2 gentleman have a certain it factor when it comes to making everyone around them that much better and a laser focused drive to execute during key moments of a 60 min game. THE GREAT ONES have this charachteristic So did/does Josh Allen, but apparently Kinkaid does not. The play where Jim Nantz yells to Tony Romo, “but wait, there’s a flag on the play.” And then there was no flag after he dropped the ball. Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 11 minutes ago, Sparty said: My example was very clear. Not to me, hence why I asked for clarity Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 9 minutes ago, Sparty said: So did/does Josh Allen, but apparently Kinkaid does not. The play where Jim Nantz yells to Tony Romo, “but wait, there’s a flag on the play.” And then there was no flag after he dropped the ball. is there video of flag on field picked up? Could it be you missed Nantz, comment that spotter told him flag on field, they have producers/spotters in their ear at all times.......You expect 2 man booth to be able watch the ball/play/action and at the same time be able to see all 8 officials on the field? Perhaps a verbal mistake by producer/spotter? Josh Allen a VERY GOOD PLAYER, however, until you win those things called Championships then you are not in the same conversation at my example of 6 time winner Tom Brady and now the run of Pat Mahomes. Quote
Sparty Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 1 minute ago, Coach Nowlin said: is there video of flag on field picked up? Could it be you missed Nantz, comment that spotter told him flag on field, they have producers/spotters in their ear at all times.......You expect 2 man booth to be able watch the ball/play/action and at the same time be able to see all 8 officials on the field? Perhaps a verbal mistake by producer/spotter? Josh Allen a VERY GOOD PLAYER, however, until you win those things called Championships then you are not in the same conversation at my example of 6 time winner Tom Brady and now the run of Pat Mahomes. Could be 4 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: Not to me, hence why I asked for clarity You didn’t understand my questions? Didn’t Brady win 7 Super Bowls? 2002 2004 2005 2015 2017 2019 2021? Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 4 hours ago, Sparty said: How come there are incomplete passes in the pro bowl (when it was actually a game)? These are the best of the best, correct? They are all taught the same, correct? this is the context of the clarity that the conversation was about......not Brady winning 7 Super Bowls Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 22 minutes ago, Sparty said: Could be How fun, I outlined a scenario where the flag no flag mistake was made...... THEN for giggles, I did some googling...... Wouldn't you know....Jim Nantz himself has weight in: https://www.si.com/nfl/jim-nantz-explains-late-flag-mystery-bills-chiefs-afc-title-game#:~:text=Everyone who called the game,it led to with viewers. Quote “When you have flags on the field, they can be thrown in the secondary, in the offensive backfield, all over the place. So, there’s a spotter that works in coordination with the broadcast team. Quote I know we live in a time where everything is a conspiracy theory, but it sure sounds like a spotter just made a simple mistake and thought they saw a flag. Everyone who called the game said they did not see a flag, so clearly this was just an innocent error minus the confusion it led to with viewers. so, lets just say, COULD NOT BE. 🙂 Quote
Sparty Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said: this is the context of the clarity that the conversation was about......not Brady winning 7 Super Bowls Correct. That’s what i was asking. If you didn’t understand those questions. Just because they (player or ref) are the best at their positions, doesn’t mean they make the best team. Hope that makes better sense. I go back to the microphone aspect. They could literally get on the mic as they are running in instead of having this awful look under such a microscope. Maybe here is the conspiracy….. maybe the nfl and powers that be are feeding into this (not talking about throwing games) to get more people discussing. I would not put it past them. Just like the Jim nantz ghost flag call last Sunday. Guys on the radio , I think it was one of the McCourty twins said there was a flag on the field then was picked up after the pass was incomplete. That’s wild if true. I’ll see if I can find it. If anyone else read that or can find it, please post it Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted January 30, 2025 Posted January 30, 2025 general public has acces to the all 22 , cost money, but NFL provides it At this point, almost a week later, if there was truly a flag thrown and picked up in 2025, there would be a video out and shared A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIMES. Quote Just because they (player or ref) are the best at their positions, doesn’t mean they make the best team. Hope that makes better sense. yes, that makes of what your were saying now Quote
Irishman Posted February 7, 2025 Posted February 7, 2025 Absolute gold here. Hard to not root for this guy. https://fb.watch/xBO2utthxB/? Here is the twitter version as some without profiles on either may not be able to view it on Facebook. 2 Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted February 7, 2025 Posted February 7, 2025 A bit shocked that Luke Kuechly and Eli Manning did not get the nod for the Gold Jacket , seem 1st ballot to me 1 Quote
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