Scores-Sectional Semifinals 2025

[Bobref]

4 minutes ago, TommyTwoTimes said:

My question: is it intentional grounding if the intent was obviously the open receiver?

The word “intentional “ is in the rule for a reason. The rule book definition of intentional grounding is:

“A pass intentionally thrown into an area not occupied by an eligible offensive receiver, or thrown incomplete to save loss of yardage or to conserve time.”

The Referee is the only official who can call intentional grounding, because he’s the only official focused on the QB. When I wore the white hat, my rule of thumb was, if there was contact on the QB, there was not going to be a flag for IG. The assumption was that the contact caused the errant pass.

[gonzoron]

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

I didn’t know he got a vote.

He doesn't.

Have you ever been to a game at Eastern(Howard)?

[jets]

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

The word “intentional “ is in the rule for a reason. The rule book definition of intentional grounding is:

“A pass intentionally thrown into an area not occupied by an eligible offensive receiver, or thrown incomplete to save loss of yardage or to conserve time.”

The Referee is the only official who can call intentional grounding, because he’s the only official focused on the QB. When I wore the white hat, my rule of thumb was, if there was contact on the QB, there was not going to be a flag for IG. The assumption was that the contact caused the errant pass.

I was wondering the same thing - if the QB is hit while in the process of trying to get a throw off - seems to me IG would be a tough call to make. 

Now, being "in the grasps" and just randomly throwing it to avoid a sack is completely different and actually at the heart of the rule.

So - which scenario was it?? 

[Bobref]

8 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

He doesn't.

Have you ever been to a game at Eastern(Howard)?

Kokomo, yes. But not Eastern.

[TommyTwoTimes]

25 minutes ago, jets said:

I was wondering the same thing - if the QB is hit while in the process of trying to get a throw off - seems to me IG would be a tough call to make. 

Now, being "in the grasps" and just randomly throwing it to avoid a sack is completely different and actually at the heart of the rule.

So - which scenario was it?? 

You can go to IHSAATV.org and go to the end of the game and watch it for yourself if you have the time and inclination.  What does it look like to you?  To me it looked like he was attempting to throw to the receiver.  Great game no matter what, and well earned victory by GS.  I only brought it up for the sake of curiosity, clarity, and conversation.

Edited November 3, 2025 by TommyTwoTimes

[jets]

41 minutes ago, TommyTwoTimes said:

You can go to IHSAATV.org and go to the end of the game and watch it for yourself if you have the time and inclination.  What does it look like to you?  To me it looked like he was attempting to throw to the receiver.  Great game no matter what, and well earned victory by GS.  I only brought it up for the sake of curiosity, clarity, and conversation.

Oh wow....that's a tough one. Would hate to be the White Hat in that scenario - but I think he got that one wrong. 

[jets]

2 hours ago, jets said:

Oh wow....that's a tough one. Would hate to be the White Hat in that scenario - but I think he got that one wrong. 

Would be interested in Bobref's take on this scenario

[TommyTwoTimes]

18 hours ago, jets said:

Would be interested in Bobref's take on this scenario

I'm taking his silence as confirmation that he also thinks its a bad call. 😄 

[Bobref]

1 hour ago, TommyTwoTimes said:

I'm taking his silence as confirmation that he also thinks its a bad call. 😄 

I haven’t seen the play. But I’ll try and find the Hudl video. Which game is this again, and when in the game does the play occur?

[gonzoron]

32 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I haven’t seen the play. But I’ll try and find the Hudl video. Which game is this again, and when in the game does the play occur?

Here is the link to the ihsaatv video. Play occurs at the 18:00 remaining mark of the video. The pass did not reach the line of scrimmage, if that's a factor. It was in the direction of a receiver.

https://www.ihsaatv.org/?B=2988162

[Bobref]

11 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Here is the link to the ihsaatv video. Play occurs at the 18:00 remaining mark of the video. The pass did not reach the line of scrimmage, if that's a factor. It was in the direction of a receiver.

https://www.ihsaatv.org/?B=2988162

Just my opinion, but I would not have called intentional grounding on that play.

To expound a bit, this is a play where you really need communication among crew members. The R is in the correct position, on the QB’s throwing side. But this makes it impossible for him to see where the ball was thrown, since he has to focus on the action against the QB. The Linesman needs to come in after the play and inform the R that there was a receiver in the vicinity. But on this play, the contact against the QB was a factor in the errant pass. So, IMO, this should not have been called a foul.