Joe Biden Thread

[DE]

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[DanteEstonia]

 

[Muda69]

Joe Biden Wants a Huge New Tax on Gun Owners

https://mises.org/wire/joe-biden-wants-huge-new-tax-gun-owners

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Joe Biden’s gun policy platform offers support for almost all conceivable forms of government restrictions on the Second Amendment. This includes bans and restrictions on sales, expansion of registration and background checks, expansion of buyback programs and gun-grabbing statutes, and the closing of all sorts of “loopholes.”1

While we are only at the policy platform stage, where proposals are grandiose and imprecise, Biden’s legislative agenda will clearly be anti–Second Amendment and not a program to reduce crime and violence. First, he wants to stop the “gun violence epidemic” with restriction on rifles when it is handgun shootings, not rifles, that are a problem and one that is mostly confined to big cities controlled by leftists. Second, he wants to go after “assault weapons” and “weapons of war” when he should know that rifles like the AK and AR “sporters” are not military-grade fully automatic weapons. Third, he would like to hold gun manufactures civilly liable for criminal acts committed with guns, a move which would shut down the industry, the true goal.

In support of the government’s buyback program, i.e., the carrot, Biden has added a gun tax for anyone who wishes to keep their rifles and high-capacity magazines. If you want to avoid the buyback and keep your guns and high-capacity (greater than ten rounds) magazine, you would have to register both under the National Firearms Act, which triggers a $200 tax for each rifle and magazine—the stick. The stick behind the stick is a penalty of up to ten years in federal prison and a $10,000 fine. Registration involves filling out a thirteen-page registration form and providing fingerprints and a photograph of yourself.

 

This is certainly bad enough for gun owners and Americans in general, but if history is a teacher the end results could be much worse, potentially catastrophic.

Joe Biden was sold to the American voter in 2020 as a moderate of the Democrat Party.  He was not a conservative, but neither was he an AOC progressive or a Sanders socialist. His image as a white moderate male was also used to help sell the voters on Barack Obama.

There was also a time when Biden was actually a pragmatist on Second Amendment rights. As the ranking member on the Judiciary Committee, he helped pass the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act, which overturned decades of anti-gun court rulings and regulations to restore most gun owner rights and reexpanded commerce by eliminating restrictions on how and where guns could be sold. The legislation’s passage helped lay the foundation of the modern gun rights movement. According to Biden the pragmatist circa 1985:

During my 12.5 years as a Member of this body, I have never believed that additional gun control or Federal registration of guns would reduce crime. I am convinced that a criminal who wants a firearm can get one through illegal, nontraceable, unregistered sources, with or without gun control. In my opinion a national register or ban of handguns would be impossible to carry out and may not result in reductions in crime.2

Despite his recognition of the futility of using gun control to reduce crime and gun violence, the “pragmatist” turned to the dark side when it became politically expedient to do so. In 1993 he helped pass the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, which required background checks through a new national checking system (the National Instant Criminal Background Check System [NICS]). The next year he helped obtain a ten-year ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazine sales.

As vice president, he was President Obama’s point man in developing legislative proposals and executive orders to shore up gun control at the national level, and yet even that administration admitted that gun control is almost a futile endeavor and that their efforts amounted to little more than feel-good measures.

While no law or set of laws will end gun violence, it is clear that the American people want action. If even one child’s life can be saved, then we need to act. Now is the time to do the right thing for our children, our communities, and the country we love.3

Indeed, with more than a century of experience we know that gun control does not reduce crime but rather increases it, as John Lott has demonstrated. According to Lott’s evidence and that of independent researchers, no form of gun control has positive effects and most forms have negative effects on crime, murder, and mass shootings. Indeed, the most noteworthy policies that improve these problems are the elimination of gun-free zones and the expansion of concealed carry laws.4

With respect to Biden’s proposed gun tax, what are the expected outcomes? The tax is certainly not designed to raise revenue, as it would raise little and entail a good deal of bureaucratic spending. It would no doubt encourage gun buybacks and reduce gun ownership at the margin, but to what end? It would mostly impact responsible gun owners economically impacted by the lockdowns and unemployment. These are the gun owners who reduce crime rates because of the deterrence factor they provide. The gun tax would also encourage the diversion of guns and high-capacity magazines to the black market.

Most importantly, would the gun tax reduce access to guns and in turn reduce crime and violence? Biden has already admitted that the answer is no: “a criminal who wants a firearm can get one through illegal, nontraceable, unregistered sources, with or without gun control.” Efforts to reduce gun violence through policies of red tape and taxes are doomed to fail and only lead to further inroads of enhanced policies of restrictionism and even outright prohibition.

For example, in order to address the real and imagined problem of narcotics addiction, which was already in decline at the end of the nineteenth century, the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act was passed in 1914 to regulate and tax the production, importation, and distribution of opiates and cocaine products.

However, the courts interpreted the legislation to mean that doctors could prescribe these drugs in the course of normal treatment, as a dental anesthetic or for short-term pain management, for example, but not as a treatment for addiction. This turned regulation into prohibition and quickly turned the imaginary crimes of blacks and Asians into very real crimes all across the country. Desperate addicts were willing to pay high prices and commit crimes to satisfy their addictions, and smugglers and drug dealers quickly developed a black market.

Similar negative consequences resulted from the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937, which started as a tax to reduce imagined crimes by minorities, i.e., Reefer Madness, only to quickly devolve into an outright prohibition. Fortunately, we as a people have recognized this mistake and are moving to legalize cannabis and hemp, i.e., marijuana, in a state-by-state process that works in the face of federal and international law.

As horrific and far-reaching as the consequences of the war on drugs have been, the consequences of “commonsense” gun control laws are potentially much greater in the long run. In a very important contribution, Stephen Holbrook demonstrates that the Nazis used gun registration information instituted and collected by the Weimar Regime to rapidly disarm the Jews and other political adversaries. This in turn greatly facilitated the Holocaust.5 A disarmed American population would similarly be much more vulnerable to political repression.

But putting this possibility aside, Biden’s gun control proposals, including the gun tax, offer no possibility of improved security, while most of them will make us less secure and more prone to crime and violence. Most importantly, they are all an affront and threat to our liberty as enshrined in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

Agreed.  And any member of the SCOTUS worth their constitutional salt will see this, should any of Mr. Biden's draconian gun measures become law.

 

 

[swordfish]

The fact that nobody bothered to interview a single witness in the case before the court ruled is overshadowed by the all important and hilarious fart noise.  Yep.  This is the level of stupidity we are dealing with.

[TheStatGuy]

10 hours ago, swordfish said:

The fact that nobody bothered to interview a single witness in the case before the court ruled is overshadowed by the all important and hilarious fart noise.  Yep.  This is the level of stupidity we are dealing with.

Yeah the level of stupidity we are dealing with.

We have you and DE saying Trump really won when he didn't, we have a bunch of "lawyers" going around and getting stupid cases lined up that end up getting dismissed because how crazy their reason behind the litigation is. We have a Republican party that has supporters wanting to over throw the will of the people so their and you and DE's "god" can remain President. I can't believe the ignorance you both have. 

[DE]

I know.  I know.  TSG told us all Chavez died in 2013.  Nothing to see here.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/whats-happening-in-us-election-matches-what-happened-in-venezuela-expert-says_3605487.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-04-5

 

[TheStatGuy]

You know what else i can't handle? Anti Covid people like SF and DE

 

This "Hoax" is so perfectly planned out.. That Pulaski County Memorial Hospital is in on it and they just wanted to be absolute dicks by making up rules for "covid hoax" by not allowing me in the hospital to be there to comfort my dying mother. 

Thanks a lot SF and DE for electing a moron that couldn't handle this pandemic which now is causing me great pain by not letting me in my moms room to comfort her while she is getting ready to die in the next day or two. 

[Muda69]

10 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

You know what else i can't handle? Anti Covid people like SF and DE

 

This "Hoax" is so perfectly planned out.. That Pulaski County Memorial Hospital is in on it and they just wanted to be absolute dicks by making up rules for "covid hoax" by not allowing me in the hospital to be there to comfort my dying mother. 

Thanks a lot SF and DE for electing a moron that couldn't handle this pandemic which now is causing me great pain by not letting me in my moms room to comfort her while she is getting ready to die in the next day or two. 

Any rational person would realize Mr. Trump is not to blame for your dying mother.  Grow up.

 

[Muda69]

[TheStatGuy]

10 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Any rational person would realize Mr. Trump is not to blame for your dying mother.  Grow up.

 

Muda. 

No where in my post did I blame Trump for my moms illness. 

You really need to learn how to comprehend. 

And don't tell me to grow up. You know absolutely nothing about my life. 

Here's a news flash. 

You aren't the smartest dude on the forum. You and DT live in some fantasy land where you both think so. You were once a great poster but now your just a bitter old man. 

[Muda69]

22 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

No where in my post did I blame Trump for my moms illness. 

Yes you did, just in your typically snide and weaselly way.

22 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

And don't tell me to grow up. You know absolutely nothing about my life. 

Anybody who believes $11 Trillion Joe Biden will make a good president needs to grow up and face reality.  

 

22 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

You aren't the smartest dude on the forum. You and DT live in some fantasy land where you both think so. You were once a great poster but now your just a bitter old man. 

Please point on the post(s) where I have claimed that I am the smartest dude on the forum.  I have never, ever, claimed as such and at times have admitted that I am a mental midget compared to a few of the GID regulars.   You however are not one of those.

You would have to ask DT about his opinion of his mental faculties because I really wouldn't know. I do know he is an individual committed to making Indiana High School better and more competitive over the long haul.

Hmm.  What, in your opinion, has changed to move me from being a "great poster" to now just a "bitter old man"?

  

[swordfish]

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Yes you did, just in your typically snide and weaselly way.

 

  

Typical TSG

On 12/4/2020 at 7:22 PM, TheStatGuy said:

Yeah the level of stupidity we are dealing with.

We have you and DE saying Trump really won when he didn't, we have a bunch of "lawyers" going around and getting stupid cases lined up that end up getting dismissed because how crazy their reason behind the litigation is. We have a Republican party that has supporters wanting to over throw the will of the people so their and you and DE's "god" can remain President. I can't believe the ignorance you both have. 

First - I have never said Trump won.  I have asked intelligent thinkers to at least view the evidence while also admitting the time for that to happen is drawing near.  The "stupid cases" are being punted to the next level by the courts and municipalities who don't want to  appear biased.  This will arrive at the Supreme Court sooner or later.

Second - The RNC, and other Republicans like myself DO NOT want to "overthrow" the will of the people, so get off your stance.  We just want the will of the people to be correctly counted.

Third - There is NO president ever that will replace my "God", so don't try that one either.

Fourth - I haven't yet called you or your view(s) "ignorant", but that thought has crossed my mind relative to your demeanor.

[TheStatGuy]

6 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Yes you did, just in your typically snide and weaselly way.

Anybody who believes $11 Trillion Joe Biden will make a good president needs to grow up and face reality.  

 

Please point on the post(s) where I have claimed that I am the smartest dude on the forum.  I have never, ever, claimed as such and at times have admitted that I am a mental midget compared to a few of the GID regulars.   You however are not one of those.

You would have to ask DT about his opinion of his mental faculties because I really wouldn't know. I do know he is an individual committed to making Indiana High School better and more competitive over the long haul.

Hmm.  What, in your opinion, has changed to move me from being a "great poster" to now just a "bitter old man"?

  

Jesus LEARN TO FREAKING COMPREHEND. 

 

WHERE DID I SAY I BLAME TRUMP FOR MY MOMS ILLNESS?? WHERE?? I didn't. 

I'm blaming him for being an absolute moron and not handling this pandemic. The pandemic that occured forced hospitals to make strict rules.. Where someone like my mother who is DYING OF STOMACH CANCER can only have 1 person in the room and thats a spouse. 

So you can understand this. I'll type this as easy as I can. 

My mom is dying in a hospital room, her only child (me, who already lost his father almost 19 years ago) can not be in the same room as her, i can't talk to her, i can't hold her hand, i can't hold her or kiss her while shes dying. 

So again, learn to comprehend. I NEVER blamed trump for her illness. I simply blamed him for allowing this pandemic to get out of line that strict rules were forced to be taken up by hospitals and I blame morons like DE and SF who legitimately thought this dude was prepared to be president when it's been clear to most people in this country and the world hes not been. 

[Muda69]

3 minutes ago, TheStatGuy said:

Jesus LEARN TO FREAKING COMPREHEND. 

 

WHERE DID I SAY I BLAME TRUMP FOR MY MOMS ILLNESS?? WHERE?? I didn't. 

I'm blaming him for being an absolute moron and not handling this pandemic. The pandemic that occured forced hospitals to make strict rules.. Where someone like my mother who is DYING OF STOMACH CANCER can only have 1 person in the room and thats a spouse. 

So you can understand this. I'll type this as easy as I can. 

My mom is dying in a hospital room, her only child (me, who already lost his father almost 19 years ago) can not be in the same room as her, i can't talk to her, i can't hold her hand, i can't hold her or kiss her while shes dying. 

So again, learn to comprehend. I NEVER blamed trump for her illness. I simply blamed him for allowing this pandemic to get out of line that strict rules were forced to be taken up by hospitals and I blame morons like DE and SF who legitimately thought this dude was prepared to be president when it's been clear to most people in this country and the world hes not been. 

Sounds to me that since you are your mother's only living relative you should file a lawsuit against the Pulaski County Memorial Hospital, requesting immediate visitation rights.  Then you can sue Mr. Trump.

 

[TheStatGuy]

4 hours ago, swordfish said:

Typical TSG

First - I have never said Trump won.  I have asked intelligent thinkers to at least view the evidence while also admitting the time for that to happen is drawing near.  The "stupid cases" are being punted to the next level by the courts and municipalities who don't want to  appear biased.  This will arrive at the Supreme Court sooner or later.

Second - The RNC, and other Republicans like myself DO NOT want to "overthrow" the will of the people, so get off your stance.  We just want the will of the people to be correctly counted.

Third - There is NO president ever that will replace my "God", so don't try that one either.

Fourth - I haven't yet called you or your view(s) "ignorant", but that thought has crossed my mind relative to your demeanor.

You are a bafoon

You may have outlived my parents but I'm certainly glad i wasn't born to someone like you. 

I'm glad my parents raised me to have my own opinions, supported me in everything i did or anything i want to do, im glad my parents supported my friends 100 percent on who they wanted to be, or who they loved. 

You really need to look at yourself in the mirror. You may truly love your daughters friend but the fact you don't agree with or support what she does is quite sad. 

I know if I were ever to become a dad. I'll support my children and their friends 💯 percent on who they want to be, who they want to love and what they want to do. You can call me a radical lefty all you want but its called being a god damn good human being. 

Sue me for wanting better climate, sue me for wanting people to better access to healthcare, sue me for not wanting the government to control what women do with their body, sue me for wanting people to marry the person of their dreams regardless of the sex of their significant other and sue me for wanting those people to be allowed to adopt children who need them. 

[Muda69]

29 minutes ago, TheStatGuy said:

Sue me for wanting better climate, sue me for wanting people to better access to healthcare, sue me for not wanting the government to control what women do with their body, sue me for wanting people to marry the person of their dreams regardless of the sex of their significant other and sue me for wanting those people to be allowed to adopt children who need them. 

How is a good person like yourself going to pay for those things?  

I wouldn't exactly call equate a lefty radical who wants government to have control of more and more of their lives and the lives of their neighbors a "damn good human being".

 

[swordfish]

1 hour ago, TheStatGuy said:

You are a bafoon  Now you have resorted to  childish name calling

You may have outlived my parents but I'm certainly glad i wasn't born to someone like you.   Wow.  Presumptuous, having never met.

I'm glad my parents raised me to have my own opinions, supported me in everything i did or anything i want to do, im glad my parents supported my friends 100 percent on who they wanted to be, or who they loved.  OK Einstein, we raised 2 daughters in the same house, same rules.  They have 180 degrees thinking from each other.  One is a proud Liberal with a BS degree and has a great teaching job at a local high school in Mishawaka, living with her boyfriend in a decent home in Elkhart they bought together.  The other is a staunch Conservative who has a great accounting job in a different local school system and is happily married for 2 years now.  Maybe someday you'll have kids and understand when I say I love them both equally no matter what.  And both have a seat and fishing poles in my boat anytime they want.

You really need to look at yourself in the mirror.  Every Morning.  You may truly love your daughters friend but the fact you don't agree with or support what she does is quite sad.  And that is your opinion.  I will ask "them" when "they" come over for the holidays what "their" opinion of your last statement is.  FYI - "They" never miss an opportunity for a bite of Christmas ham, and Mrs. SF's pumpkin roll.  They, btw live in Detroit, one is an attorney and the other is a cop.  I don't know the other in that partnership as well as our former neighbor, but she has nice dog that I always have treats for......Nice couple.....

I know if I were ever to become a dad. I'll support my children and their friends 💯 percent on who they want to be, who they want to love and what they want to do. You can call me a radical lefty all you want but its called being a god damn good human being.     FWIW - SF never questioned your humanity.....Sorry you take things so personally.  Our opinions may differ, but your political views don't govern my opinion of you as a human being.  Your doing a pretty good job of that on your own in the manner you are expressing your views.

Sue me for wanting better climate, sue me for wanting people to better access to healthcare, sue me for not wanting the government to control what women do with their body, sue me for wanting people to marry the person of their dreams regardless of the sex of their significant other and sue me for wanting those people to be allowed to adopt children who need them.  Don't think anyone's gonna sue over your opinions.  Good luck with that though....

 

[Muda69]

Biden's Choice To Head Health and Human Services Is a Lawsuit-Happy Government Nanny: https://reason.com/2020/12/07/bidens-choice-to-head-health-and-human-services-is-a-lawsuit-happy-government-nanny/

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President-elect Joe Biden has selected a California big-government authoritarian nanny state fan to run the Department of Health and Human Services, a warning sign for anybody who wishes to manage his own medical affairs and life choices.

On Sunday, multiple outlets reported that California Attorney General Xavier Becerra was being tapped to lead the agency. The Washington Post diplomatically described Becerra as an "unorthodox" choice. He was a member of Congress before becoming attorney general. He does not have a background in health management. He has degrees in economics and law.

Becerra, though, does have a lengthy history of believing that the power of government is the solution to all that ails you, whether you like it or not. He's a big believer in "Medicare for All," a complete government takeover of medical coverage via single-payer health care. Biden differentiated himself from other presidential candidates by resisting the call to nationalize health insurance. Becerra's nomination will most likely give fuel to anybody arguing that the Democratic Party is being pulled leftward, but he has said that he would support preserving and bolstering the Affordable Care Act, which is Biden's plan.

Becerra is probably best known to anybody outside of California for the state's many, many lawsuits against President Donald Trump's administration—more than 100 of them—for everything from changes in policy on immigration, to environmental issues, to, yes, the administration's attacks on the Affordable Care Act.

Certainly, a number of those lawsuits are about protecting the rights of people in California, but others were actually to stop the Trump administration from deregulating and reducing the power and scope of the federal government. Becerra fought to protect net neutrality rules that were overturned by the Federal Communications Commission. He fought the State Department when it loosened rules to allow for 3D-printed guns.

His record within the state of California shows that Becerra is very happy to use the nanny state power of government to control what you do with your body and property. In November, his office filed a brief in support of a California bill banning the sales of flavored tobacco. Even though California has legalized marijuana farming and consumption, his office still brags about crackdowns on illegal grow operations against those who try to bypass the state's extremely oppressive and expensive regulations. He supported and fought to force companies like Uber and Lyft to classify their freelance drivers as employees, even against the workers' own desires, and even if it resulted in the loss of thousands of jobs. He was thwarted by the passage of Proposition 22 by voters in November. And he shares his predecessor Kamala Harris's fondness of conflating prostitution busts with fighting alleged nonconsensual "sex trafficking."

But one of Becerra's dumbest brags provides the best insight into how he might run America's largest health agency. In 2017, Becerra's office won a $300,000 legal settlement from Gatorade because of a mobile game that he argued slandered the good name of water. Gatorade had distributed a free mobile game featuring sprinter Usain Bolt. As part of the game, players were encouraged to run through Gatorade logos and avoid patches of water. Becerra actually accused the company of engaging in "false advertising" and trying to convince impressionable children and teens that water is bad for them. This is how stupid Becerra thinks people are.

It seems like such a little and petty thing, and it is. That's the problem. It is an indication of a person who has very little respect for people's individual health choices, other than for abortion. He's very pro-choice and his office has consistently taken legal actions to defend abortion access, even supporting challenges against anti-abortion regulations in other states. Beyond abortion, though, Becerra's record is one with very little respect for individual life choices when government nannies think they know better. And worse, he sees the courts as a proper mechanism for controlling those choices with arrests or fines and penalties.

Sounds like one of those "damn fine human beings" Stat Guy loves so much.  

[swordfish]

When we disagree, it will be just like… So far it’s been just like when Barack and I did. It’s in private. She’ll say, “I think we should do A, B, C, or D.” And I’ll say, “I — I don’t… I like A, don’t like B and C,” and let’s go… Okay. But — and I — like I told Barack, if — if — if I reach something where there’s a — a fundamental disagreement we have based on a moral principle, I’ll, uh… I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll develop some disease and say I have to resign.

LOL - Wut?  He's gonna resign over a disagreement?  I thought he was the President?

[DE]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-special-forces-officer-warns-of-color-revolution-tactics-used-against-trump_3612952.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-11-1

BINGO!  We are now getting somewhere.  

Biden will never be the POTUS and President Trump is saving America.  To all you people who hate him, you are welcome.  Time for you to wake up.  Or better yet, keep sleeping, get out of the way, and let the adults handle this.

[DE]

On 12/8/2020 at 2:13 PM, swordfish said:

When we disagree, it will be just like… So far it’s been just like when Barack and I did. It’s in private. She’ll say, “I think we should do A, B, C, or D.” And I’ll say, “I — I don’t… I like A, don’t like B and C,” and let’s go… Okay. But — and I — like I told Barack, if — if — if I reach something where there’s a — a fundamental disagreement we have based on a moral principle, I’ll, uh… I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll develop some disease and say I have to resign.

LOL - Wut?  He's gonna resign over a disagreement?  I thought he was the President?

YEP!  Everything President Trump has said has come true or will come true.  People may hate him, but that is on them and they are only hurting the country.  Hunters become the hunted, if you will.

 

The left and the DS has been and are using old Nazi techniques....blame your enemy (in this case the Trump administration) of what you are guilty of doing.

PERFECT example is Eric Swallwell. You now.  The guy that was having relations with a Chinese Spy.  He is also the guy that flatulated like a mountain guerilla on live tv.

[DE]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-has-tens-of-thousands-of-pages-mentioning-seth-rich_3613282.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-11-2

Nothing to see here.  The DS and their followers HATE America.

[DE]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/arizona-republicans-file-election-appeal-to-us-supreme-court_3614741.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-11-3

[swordfish]

OK - It is now official - President-Elect Joe Biden.  Even though SF will never be convinced he garnered as many votes as they say he did.  I mean - who believes that (legally) he got more votes than the grand poopa - BHO?  

SF is wondering how long he will be President past inauguration.   

[Muda69]

1 hour ago, swordfish said:

SF is wondering how long he will be President past inauguration.   

I predict that by 12/15/2021 Ms. Harris will be the POTUS.