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There’s a massive difference between a school with 3500-4000 kids (4-5 schools) and 1500-2000 kids (the rest of 5A) before the 6th class was added. That’s why the Big 3 dominated for so long. There’s now 18 6A schools (out of 32) whose enrollment are all ~3000+. Once you cross a certain threshold in terms of enrollment, the number becomes insignificant. Only X amount of kids can play. If you can’t field a competitive football team with 3000+ kids in your building, you need to look in the mirror. Simply put, Carmel/Warren/Ben Davis no longer enjoy the massive disparity in enrollment like they use too. And the results the last 6-8 years speak for themselves.

I'd have to do some research on that one. But I think looking at who Snider or New Pal have played in past years might be a good place to start. I think Carmel holds roughly a 9-4 advantage (off the top of my head) over Snider. I'd have to dig deeper to make a claim that some of their victories came at the hands of "average" coaches. I'm more of a numbers guy than anything else. I like to look at charts and things like that. My comment in my previous post was more common sense based than it was actual fact. But in this case, I would say my comment was 98% fact. Give me 4000 kids and chances are I'm going to come up with a bigger more talented offensive line than you will at a school of 2000.

The lack of D1 talent BD and WC produced for a 2-3 year period a few years back was laughable. That’s cyclical. BD and WC are likely #1 and #2 heading into next season. The amount of talent parallels that.

To an extent. Talent drying up at a place of 4000+ is not the same as having cyclical talent at a school of 2500. Yes, CG is the outlier here but when you have 250-300+ kids out for football, you can ease the pain of graduation losses a bit easier. I harped on that 3-7 BD squad but they were likely still a top 20-25 team even in that “down year”…they just played a schedule that did them no favors. That’s a luxury.

Spot on Talent is cyclical, even at the big schools. Have always maintained that once you cross a certain threshold in enrollment, it then becomes irrelevant. There’s now several mega-enrollment schools in Indiana, not just the Big 3.

That is right around the corner from my house. Deal.

Not saying he wasn't a good coach. His record over 5 years was 31-28 and was using this period to demonstrate in a conversation on this board that being one of the largest 3 schools in 6A doesn't automatically put a school in the 6A championship game. Guess I could have used Warren Central's last 3 years under Kirschner (another very good coach) is another example. Since his return to WC, he is 16-17. Carmel is 11-9 over the past 2 seasons with first round sectional losses. My point being, the largest populated schools, while certainly a benefit, are not a shoe-in to win to the 6A state title. As good as BD was last year, they had to work their tails off to overcome Brownsburg, Cathedral and CG, winning each game by 3 points, the last one in OT that could have certainly went either way. Their excellent kicker certainly made a huge difference. There seem to be a number of schools in the Indy metro area (and outside the area) that are overcoming the size differential and closing the gap. CG has done so for years...others now are doing the same.

Could not agree more. That program will go NOWHERE with the current staff in place. People think they will have a playoff run with Snider out of the way but are not looking who entered their sectional.....Warsaw. Warsaw, if they face one another in playoffs (likely), will blast the NS defense with their discipline and style of play.

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