Muda69

Government shuts down the nation and destroys the economy. That leads to more massive borrowing, aka debt, to fund a record-setting "stimulus" bill that won't even come close to fixing the problem. Will just attempt to make us all more dependent on government, and it's a large scale experiment on UBI.

https://reason.com/2020/03/30/tear-up-your-census-form-for-a-better-america/ I threw about my 2020 census form and did it online instead. And when asked the intrusive, nonsense question of (and I paraphrase) "What is your country of origin" after indicating I was Caucasian I simply typed in "none of your business" for myself and every member of my household.

Country star Joe Diffie dead from coronavirus complications at age 61: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/joe-diffie-dead-61-coronavirus Truly an American Icon, he will be missed. His song "John Deere Green" is IMHO one of the best country songs of the last 30 years.

No, it's not. Not when you are already trillions of dollars in debt to begin with. Back to Work: America Has No Choice if It Is to Avoid Total Disaster: https://mises.org/power-market/back-work-america-has-no-choice-if-it-avoid-total-disaster This "just shut everything down" mantra by government is the intellectually lazy decision here, not "more debt = bad".

I'm not a member of the "baby boomer" generation but you are exactly right, this is just yet another wealth redistribution scheme by the federal government. The thing is they already have enough other wealth redistribution schemes going that they are massively in debt, so they have to borrow against the future of our children and grandchildren.

The Kernan-Shepherd report also advocated for the dissolution of county townships, all 1000+ of them. Government is better the more local it is, although I often wonder exactly what most county townships actually do these days. The township I currently reside in mostly just throws taxpayer money away. And here is a PDF to said report: http://indianalocalgovreform.iu.edu/assets/docs/Report_12-10-07.pdf

Thank you for the the obscent name calling, quite revealing. And yes, I try my best to follow the Zero Aggression Principle. As for Mr. Smith's little missive I don't believe the word "consistently" has the same meaning as "100% of the time". Do you? Are you an "Independent thinker" 100% of the time, Robert? And what exactly is the commonly help definition of the phrase "Independent Thinker"?

'We are finished': Takeout and delivery isn't sustaining Indianapolis restaurants: https://www.indystar.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurants/2020/03/30/why-takeout-cant-sustain-indianapolis-restaurants-during-coronavirus/2906602001/ Thanks Mr. Holcomb and his cronies, for destroying the Indiana economy. And no amount of "free" federal money will save it.

Please do. You seem to rarely bring anything to a discussion other than navel-gazing. Must be a millennial thing. And you do realize the words 'libertarian' and "Libertarian" mean two different things? A "libertarian" may or may not be a member of the "Libertarian" political party.

This libertarian follows the ZAP to the best of my ability. Do you?

Why do you need more analysis to know that it's bad fiscal policy to spend money you don't have? Oh, yeah, we can just mint two 1 trillion dollar coins: https://fortune.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-stimulus-bill-how-will-us-pay-trillion-dollar-coin/

Primarily the latter. Completely irresponsible for Congress to pass such a bill when the country is already trillions in debt.

Indeed it is: The Decline Of Football Is Real And It’s Accelerating: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2020/01/28/the-decline-of-football-is-real-and-its-accelerating/#5d2d2c8e2f37 I guess if you really love high school football better move to a state with an SEC school located within it.

Texas company looking to dock stimulus money from paychecks, relieve their payroll: report: https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-stimulus-money-company-paychecks Smart move by this company. After all as a taxpayer they helping to fund this debt-ridden stimulus debacle.

Agreed, it can be dangerous. But to what degree should we trade risk for freedom? "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

The U.S. economy is more than just the stock market friend. Are you saying the Russian/Saudi oil feud/war caused all the small businesses in Indiana to close or for restaurants ban in-person? That in Howard county you can go the Super WalMart to buy a bag of potatoes buy you can't then saunter over to the toys section and buy a couple of new board games for your children? That most large manufacturing in this state and others, employing hundreds of thousand if not millions of people, is currently shut down due to government fiat?

The 4A list looks legitimate. All programs that have continually struggled for years, if not decades. Sure they may have their "once in a decade (or two)" kind of team but it is pretty clear community support is waning in many of these programs.

I do, along with seeds. And to use cash. Why do you hate cash Dante?

Cash and the Coronavirus: https://mises.org/power-market/cash-and-coronavirus A CBS News article wistfully describes how "bank note avoidance" was one of the measures taken to stem the novel coronavirus outbreak in South Korea, whose central bank removed all banknotes from circulation for two weeks and even burned some of them. The article even touts the practice of Iranian banks, which announced they will no longer accept cash from customers. The article also reports that "even" the laggard Federal reserve has gotten into the act, with a Fed spokesman announcing that dollar bills that circulated in Europe and Asia are being quarantined for 7 to 10 days as "a precautionary measure." A CNN Business did its part to whip up the public's fear of cash in an article relating the findings of a medical study of cash that did not spare the reader the revolting details--or a crushingly trite warning from WHO : You knew this was coming, as the article states the New World Order Elites want to get rid of cash so they can better track and control the public. Resist this change, if you truly believe personal freedom is sacrosanct. I used cash for 99% of my daily purchasing transactions and I encourage you to do the same. https://youtu.be/o9lV2CUTYyw

Thank you for your support. especially during this difficult time.

“Few places in this world are more dangerous than home. Fear not, therefore, to try the mountain passes. They will kill care, save you from deadly apathy, set you free, and call forth every faculty into vigorous, enthusiastic action.” - John Muir Indiana State Parks, Forests, and National Forest areas are still open. Go out and explore.

Yeah, I forgot about that one. Sorry.

No, I'm neither. In my chosen profession, which requires a 4-year college degree and periods of extreme concentration on details, I don't know how I could have a successful thirty year career if I was stupid and had ADD. And here we have a mouth breather like yourself descending into profanity, and showing that in reality you are just a mini-NightHawk on this forum. Practically zero substance and opinions, just insults and down votes. Enjoy your day waiting by the mailbox for your government check.

Canada Has Abolished Civil Liberties in the Name of "Safety": https://mises.org/wire/canada-has-abolished-civil-liberties-name-safety Civil Liberties Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms states that everyone has the freedom of assembly and freedom of association. To forcibly confine someone in their own home is to deny them these freedoms. However, Section 1 of the Charter says that these freedoms are “subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” This means the Charter is a sham, because the government reserves the right to arbitrarily decide when it will grant civil liberties and when it will deny them. Thus, Health Minister Hajdu said: In other words, Hajdu is telling us that our civil liberties will remain intact as long as we obey the government’s quarantine orders. However, she fails to acknowledge that it is the quarantine order itself which violates civil liberties by presuming to restrict the freedom of assembly/association. Moreover, even without quarantine orders a significant loss of civil liberties occurred when the government prohibited large gatherings and ordered many private businesses to shut down. Therefore, to disobey a government quarantine order is not the act which gives rise to a loss of civil liberties, but simply reflects an attempt by individuals to exercise the few civil liberties they have left. Has it occurred to the health minister and the various provincial authorities that their draconian measures may be counterproductive? When people read about arrests, fines, and forcible confinement, is it not likely that many of them will be discouraged from seeking a diagnosis, fearing that a positive test will put them in the crosshairs of the authorities? It is possible that a positive test would otherwise prompt them to voluntarily isolate themselves—perhaps not 100 percent isolation, but close to it. In contrast, when faced with the jackboot of government, many people may simply skip the test and convince themselves that they do not have the coronavirus, and thus make little effort to isolate themselves. Politicians and Bureaucrats Are Not Omniscient The political response to the spread of the coronavirus demonstrates that the government does not recognize any limits to its authority. Politicians consider themselves to be omniscient as they formulate policy, i.e., the government is always right. The reality is that the various aspects of the pandemic—as with all pandemics—are incredibly complex. There is much that we do not know, meaning that politicians and bureaucrats do NOT have access to a sufficient amount of reliable data on which to justify their policies. However, we do know that millions of Canadians get the flu—which is contagious—resulting in about 3,500 deaths annually, compared to 21 deaths from the coronavirus as of March 22. But we don’t see the government violating civil liberties under the pretense of stopping the spread of the flu. More to the point, there is no justification for any government policy which violates civil liberties. If the government has any role in the coronavirus crisis, it should be limited to the dissemination of information and advice—advice, not orders. Individuals should be free to consider this information and advice, as well as that provided by other sources. Naturally, each of us will assess the risk differently, just as we assess risk differently in other aspects of our lives. We must be free to make our own decisions based on our own personal circumstances. Those who believe that there is a high risk of contracting the virus, and a high risk of severe symptoms or death, will rarely leave their homes and will likely wear gloves and a mask if they do venture out. Those who believe that these risks are low will stick to their normal daily routines. Still others will modify their behaviour to various degrees. Decisions must remain in the hands of those affected by them. In the past, whenever I made a decision to attend a hockey game, a baseball game, or a music concert surrounded by thousands of other people, I accepted the fact that my decision could have unpleasant consequences. I could catch the flu from the person sitting next to me. Among the many thousands of people in attendance at these events, the odds are that one or more of them will have something that is contagious. I am pretty sure that most adults realize this. Moreover, I think that it is fair to say that the vast majority of people have, on one or more occasions during their lives, gone to school, to a job, to a game or concert, to a party, to the mall, when they have a cold or the flu or something else that is contagious. We all know this. We have seen it with our own eyes. The risk of infection cannot be eliminated, not even by the government. In fact, governments often make things worse when they "take action" in response to a supposed crisis. Cabin Fever Aside from the violation of civil liberties, the government appears oblivious to other likely consequences of its policies. On March 12, the National Hockey League temporarily suspended its season and players were asked to isolate themselves. One week later, Ritch Winter, a player's agent, said: Though this player was not under a government quarantine order, he left his home after just one week, and it is not surprising. We should expect serious consequences if the government continues to violate civil liberties. Forcible confinement in one’s home may result in high levels of mental stress and anxiety, not only for those confined, but also for their families or roommates. This compounds the stress and anxiety which many of them may already be experiencing as a result of losing employment income because the government has shut down numerous businesses. Furthermore, stress and anxiety weakens the immune system, which means that these people will be easier targets for COVID-19, which is contrary to the government’s supposed goal of limiting its spread. Finally, will high levels of stress and anxiety lead to more suicides, homicides, domestic violence, and divorces? The various levels of government in Canada have responded to the coronavirus pandemic. Their ill-advised solutions are to inflict economic hardship and withdraw civil liberties. The longer these authoritarian policies persist, the greater the risk to the social fabric. Agreed. The "social fabric" will slowly fray until it tears completely under these restrictions. Then we will probably have revolution.

How true. It's mostly about group-think and navel-gazing here on the Football forum. While over on the OOB/Politics side it's all about loving anything big government does while at the same time hating Mr. Trump. With insults and down votes thrown out like candy. It appears that certain members of the GID administration are in on the act.