scarab527

4 games per day can definitely be done, but Illinois does have the advantage of no time change. Having CT teams play at what would be like 9 AM their time after a long trip would be pretty tough. Also you'd have to cut the medal ceremony, etc., Illinois just presents the trophy to the winning team (personally I'd like that anyway but I'm sure some people would make a stink). The schedule needs to be followed super tightly as well, this year Illinois got pretty behind schedule on Saturday and the 8A game didn't finish until pretty late. Not to get too off topic (but this topic is dumb anyway tbh), all that to say I would actually support at least one more class in Indiana HSFB (not for the big schools, to me Illinois gets it way more accurate by splitting up the smaller schools. 4A having a range of about 800-1500 kids is just ridiculous to me). EDIT: See some others already brought these concerns up while I was typing. Either way, don't think any of these are legit obstacles. If there's a will, there's a way.

Other than a few teams in lower classes, probably wouldn’t change much. Other than East St. Louis (who in this hypothetical probably just goes to Missouri), all the good teams in Illinois are clustered around Chicago.

Very much so correlated. Steels the only thing that ever thrived in the Region, and the Region hasn’t recovered since the mills’ decline. Most towns up here aren’t the most affluent, to say the least. And we all know about those free and reduced lunch rates…

Yeah, the multiplier is kinda a joke when teams can just get a waiver to be exempt from it. Ironic part is that the only public to win, East St Louis, recruits just as much as Mount Carmel, Loyola, etc. Obviously part of the issue is the joke of a classification system, but the other part is the fact that the Chicago Catholic League is so much better than any other league in the state. Case in point: in the Prep Bowl, which pits the best Chicago Catholic not still in the playoffs versus the best CPS school not still in the playoffs, saw 5-6 St Ignatius (didn’t make playoffs) destroy 12-1 Whitney Young (was a 1 seed in the playoffs) 47-8.

One of the best parts of this board is drinking the tears of delusional Fort Wayne man children. Congrats to HH. Took Luers to the woodshed.

Keep moving those goalposts. My argument isn’t about the true north teams winning, it’s about the fact that the HCC haven’t proven to be much more of a challenge themselves. That 2021 Westfield team is one of the best HCC teams in history, and caught CG playing their worst game in that 2 year run, and still couldn’t get the job done. You sub in the HCC teams in the title game the last two years, and maybe it’s a 3 TD margin of victory instead of a 4 touchdown margin of victory. Big accomplishment.

Another way to put that is: the HCC and the true north have been competitive in the same amount of state title games (whatever that’s even worth) since the inception of 6A. And the true north has beaten the HCC the past two years.

Yes, 1 in 4 tries across 25 years, against a team that’s not a part of the Big 4 teams we’ve been talking about. Also happened 15 years ago, when there were 5 classes. That last Fishers title is closer to the last Penn title than it is to the present day.

So if you remove Carmel, the HCC schools have lost those games by an average of 21+ points per game. Thanks for proving my point that they wouldn’t have been that much more competitive.

You said in general you’d take an HCC team over a non-Indy team, and I said yeah if the team is Brownsburg. Now you’re changing your original point to say specifically the 2022 season. Be consistent man. Also HSE would’ve gotten dogwalked by CG that year.

By implying HSE would give a better game than Brownsburg because they beat them one year lmao.

And yet you just used it.

Because recent history says Brownsburg has been the HCC that has faired best against the teams you’re mentioning. And because just by watching these teams, it’s pretty easy to see Brownsburg generally has the athletes on the outside to matchup with those teams you mentioned, whereas the other HCC generally don’t. By that logic, you’d have to say Carroll would fair better than HSE would’ve seeing as they beat HSE…

Yeah, if the HCC team is Brownsburg. Sticking by my original statement that HSE or Westfield would not have given that much better games in 2022 or 2023.

Yeah and the year before CG manhandled Westfield. From what I saw those years, the results would’ve been about the same.

Not gonna disagree with the general point here, but do you really think the results in those state games would’ve been that much different had HSE and Westfield played in them instead? Cause I’m pretty sure CG and BD would’ve taken them to the woodshed as well. I do think it’s fair to say though that the “one off” characterization becomes less justifiable when it happens two years in a row. Once can be a fluke, twice in a row and you have to start reevaluating, imo.

Have only seen them beat up a Lowell team that ain’t what it used to be, so hard to say. They did lose some key pieces on the offensive line and the defense, but have some key returners as well. Think they’ll be about the same level as last year, maybe a little better.

Brother you’re the one who keeps bringing that game up because clearly it still hurts you. Calling out blatantly contradictory comments is not “touching a nerve”.

A team from 6A north has beaten a top tier HCC team for high stakes the past 2 seasons. I agree with your general point, I think CP at 2 is ridiculous, but I think the conversation needs to be had that maybe the HCC teams are a tad overrated. Or that the north is catching up to them.

Pretty ironic comment seeing as you were just talking “real man’s football”. But anything to excuse that Snider loss to Valpo a couple years ago, right? Except of course to just admit Valpo was better.

Thank you for reiterating my exact point.

If I never hear the phrases “caught them on the right night”, “no way they should have lost”, or anything similar again, I’ll be a happy man. Though I will say CP should not be ranked #2 in 6A.

Lmao where in my comment do I say that, or even suggest that? Please, show me.

😂😂😂 Coach, I can assure you, no one at Andrean cares.

It depends on if you view winning and those other things as mutually exclusive. I’d argue that most winning programs develop young men of high character. A team full of jagoffs generally isn’t going to be the best team in the world. And doing what’s best for all the kids (kids want to win too) might sometimes involve replacing one kid. I don’t think those are cheesy concerns and I think they are actually pretty important to building a winning program. What is cheesy movie garbage is “my town versus your town” when that hasn’t been the case in reality in a long time. Just up in the Region, the Hobart dynasty was notorious for having kids not from Hobart on their teams, the most famous example being the Karras brothers. This isn’t a new phenomenon. Open enrollment and what’s going on in college have just put more of an eye on it. Football is in a weird position because it’s the cash cow that subsidizes a lot of the other sports. It’s also one of the more costly sports for a school to provide. Couple those with the fact that schools use their athletic programs essentially as a form of advertising for the school and an incentive for parents to send their kids there, and with football’s popularity always putting a lot of eyes on it, and you’ve got our current situation. But coaches have always been expected to win games in any sport right? Schools generally don’t keep around the guys who coach perennial losers for very long.