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11 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Center Grove would be better off scrimmaging themselves six times a season before joining Conference Indiana. Roncalli, Franklin Central, and Whiteland are solid south side schools that make sense from a scheduling standpoint.

Roncalli has turned down playing the Trojans in the past. And I have heard they do not plan to in the future. 

10 hours ago, temptation said:

Did I miss somewhere where current MIC schools (who will also now have more openings in their schedule) have announced a refusal to play Carmel/CG in non-conference competition?

If not, why is this not being discussed?

From what I have learned, CG and Carmel will probably not play MIC schools. MIC made those 2 schools look bad and sound bad. I would not play them.

However, I also know from the football side of things that a couple of the big MIC schools left that they are wanting CG and Carmel back or at least have them on schedule. The football programs do not want them gone. And a potential new conference from 1 or 2 of the HCC schools, Carmel, CG, a couple MIC schools, and a possible Cathedral could be on the horizon. 

Lots of info though, but I assure you that is a real possibility.

16 hours ago, US31 said:

There are plenty of HCC schools that would be happy to add Carmel as a non-conference game.  Thats a totally different issue than why they weren't allowed into the conference.

"If" Carmel stays independent...I predict you could see them playing 4-5 HCC schools a year in football.

Why would they play them? Voted no against.

Any assistant coaches that are on the radar for potential head jobs? Or would be great head coaches

Do not forget about Gary Harris for HSE. Obvious top recruit for basketball. He did play some football and was very talented. Just wanted to share another big time player out of the HCC.

Voting will be soon. Have not heard much more from which way the votes will go. I would assume nothing much has changed since before Christmas. I would guess Carmel & CG are starting to get nervous.

1 hour ago, JustRules said:

Agreed. For many teams winning a sectional game is a great accomplishment. Or a sectional final or regional final. You don't need a situation where every team has a fair shot to win a state final. Schools are getting rid of valedictorian and top 30/50 designations because it creates too much stress to accomplish or doesn't spread the love enough to more students. That implies not achieving those things is failure. That's now how education should work. That doesn't mean systems can't be tweaked. But if you keep changing it so everyone has a legitimate shot at a championship you remove a key purpose of high school athletics. I'm good with class sports so there are more than 1 opportunity to win a championship. But we don't need 7 or 10 or 12 classes to do it.

Could not agree more! 

People are always trying to fix the system. Sometimes it is just the way it is. It is not always fair. College football isn't fair. Neither is high school. Sometimes some schools are just not a school that can win the state championship. It does not mean it is a bad program or the system needs fixed to make it "fair". 

From all the people I have spoken with and heard from, there are more schools that do not want to vote Carmel & CG in than ones who do. However, those schools are nervous about not letting them in because of a new conference that will be created by Carmel & CG. There are at least 2 or 3 HCC schools who would most likely leave to join this new conference. This would then break up the true HCC. 

With this being said, if I was someone in charge of a HCC school, I would vote to put them in. Financially it just makes too much sense. I would be nervous about the potential HCC break up.

2 minutes ago, MICFan34 said:

Albeit lopsided, it still is amazing to me that BD and CG have played each other 6 times in 3 years, with half of those games coming in Semi-State. No matter happens with the HCC, I still hope to see Warren and BD play against CG and Carmel in the regular season. I think to all 4 of those communities, those games still massively resonate. Even if no regular season match-ups, these games will be a blast to attend during the tournament. 

Agreed!!

11 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

I don't seeing the MIC kicking out two charter members and then just rushing to add schools. I think it has to be a school that's going to check the boxes identified in the letter.

 

Interested to see MIC schools fill their non conference games in football. That will be 4 non conference games now. Hard enough for MIC schools to find games.

8 minutes ago, US31 said:

I can verify first hand that this number is higher than many people outside would expect. For a wide variety of reasons (from competitive balance to travel time, and others).  And in a wide variety of sports.  I have no crystal ball that I can look into and predict what would happen, but anyone that thinks this is a "for sure" deal is mistaken.  My personal feelings are that I WANT CG and C to play HCC teams in regular season play....it would be great football.  Whether that is in a conference structure or not is for others to decide.

My only prediction would be that any of the following are real possibilities:

1. HCC adds C & CG and goes to a closed 10 team conference
2. HCC adds C & CG and goes to a 2 division schedule that would allow for non-conference games and some cross over play
3. HCC adds one of the above and not the other.
4. HCC declines both and a "new conference" is formed with C, CG, and one or some HCC members that break off.

The last one is the real monkey wrench that would cause a lot of dominoes to fall.  My gut tells me this is the least likely, but I really don't know.

Of course if we are still in the "Trust Tree", I would admit that it could be something else too....something really cool....that I don't even know about 🤪

I am with ya on this. I do not see a reason why HCC would not add them. In football, I think the best would be a 7 game conference schedule that rotates every year. I do not see them adding just 1 of the 2. I believe it is all or none.

9 minutes ago, Punttheball said:

I am guessing by media outlets and if the IHSAA minutes are released.

Exciting stuff. If i had to bet, I say they hold off for 1 more year.

I think Franklin Central and Southport should join for sure. It makes so much sense to me and probably all of us. I just do not see them wanting to at this time. Franklin Central is rumored to have already turned down an invitation to the MIC just this week. The same goes for Avon.

8 minutes ago, Punttheball said:

It will be determined today if reclassification takes place or not.

Will this be released today?

Again, from some inside sources that are very credible, CG and Carmel originally reached out to the MIC schools in hopes to combine with the HCC. This would have made a mega conference. MIC did not want that. So to me, the BS about the academics and everything else was just something for them to fall back on.

However, I have also heard that a decent amount of the HCC schools want NO part in allowing CG and Carmel in.

It will definitely be interesting how this all shakes out in a couple of weeks.

Cg and Carmel may have to start persuading teams into creating a new conference... 

16 hours ago, HHF said:

Unfortunately, the brutal truth about this entire episode is that it is all about race.  "Cultural alignment" is nothing more than a veiled reference to racial differences that have developed between the 2 outbound schools and the 6 carryovers.  The shooting incident at Ben Davis and the Blackface debacle at Center Grove are not merely just coincidental with this seismic move by The MIC.  The two camps have grown apart and a separation was inevitable.  It is what it is.  

I disagree completely 

3 hours ago, HHF said:

I dont think you will see dominant BD and WC teams like you have in the past as the MIC moves forward.  Those days are over.  Those teams will likely never see another Top 20 national ranking.  The numbers are there, but the high level individual talent is not.  

I cant clarify.   Im just reading through the tea leafs, just like everyone else.  MIC admins were very clear however in their assertion that they felt that CG and CA viewed the MIC as an "athletic first" conference, which is not in line with the original charter.  

Hate to break it to ya, but that is why conferences for sports are built. MIC stated that to try and look like they are bigger than athletics. It is just things people say. Athletics is the sole reason for that conference.

5 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I do too, for selfish reasons, as Harrison has had Westfield on its schedule, as a conference or non-conference opponent, since 2001.

Years back when Conference Indiana had 10 teams this was their format I believe. And it worked.

Also, would Harrison and Jeff be curious to joining the MIC?

1 minute ago, EasyEJay said:

For the HCC you could see 2 five team divisions 4 weeks of your division , 2 non con games ,  2 rotating cross division games and then a conference championship week 9 . 1 plays 1 , 2 plays 2 , so on and so forth . Similar to what the Hoosier Conference does. 

 

This would help the 6 MIC schools keep non conference games with HCC schools 

The MIC might boycott scheduling CG and Carmel...

19 minutes ago, MICFan34 said:

Let's say the HCC goes ahead and approves both CG & Carmel...and they decide to play a 9 game closed schedule.

How will the MIC programs schedule non-conference games? They'll need 4 non-con games to fill up their schedules. This seems like it'd be a major headache for these 6 programs. 

Do they go after DAC schools, Penn, P/Ps, out of state opponents? 

I hope the HCC makes it a 7 game regular season and leaves 2 weeks for nonconference. HCC can alternate who plays who each year. Again, this is waiting to see if CG and Carmel are approved (they will be).

14 minutes ago, HHF said:

Respectfully disagree with your opinion.  This move makes CG look selfish and arrogant, and comes directly on top of the recent incident at the state finals, which shed a very poor light on the school.  

You have no idea lol

The article was misleading. The only reasons for leaving are because of money and competition. The 6 remaining MIC schools bring no crowds and their sports besides football and basketball are not competitive whatsoever. This has been in the works for 3 years or so. Its a money and competition thing and nothing else. The MIC will probably try and make them look bad for leaving and that is why the article said what it said.

The HCC will need to have 5 of 8 vote yes to allow Carmel and CG in. If this does not happen, CG and Carmel will be in some serious trouble for football scheduling. However, I am not sure why the HCC would turn this down. The money and competition is too good.

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

The Temp keeps receipts...just a reminder as this week's events unfold.

Stay tuned...

I am with ya on this. Expecting some news here shortly...

34 minutes ago, EasyEJay said:

 Not allowed to post speculation you are allowed to post thought on who you would like to see . Some People are better visual learners so here are some examples : from John Harrell message boards 

Bad don't do this ...........

Good You can do this ! 

Was unaware Indian Creek was open. Just saw where the head coach was gone mid way through the season. Not sure why though. Indian Creek usually is a strong program!