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Some schools can have very successful programs but never win a state championship. Some schools are just not set up to win them. 

15 minutes ago, temptation said:

It’s like schools who played Butler and Gonzaga in basketball in the early 2000s…you win and it’s a footnote because it was expected…you lose and it’s front page news.

Every 4A-6A school in the Indy metro area can battle test themselves by traveling no farther than 45 minutes from their locker room.  There’s no need to get on a bus for 2.5-3 hours to play a region team.

What happens when those schools in the Indy area won’t play Carmel, CG, BD, Warren? I believe that’s probably why they are forced to go play Cincinnati and Louisville schools

1 minute ago, Grover said:

So schedules can be rearranged?  Weird.  I was told Merrillville couldn't do that to play us.

Was Merrillville a potential opponent for CG? Would have loved to see the Pirates play the Trojans. Especially to beef up Merrillville's schedule and prepare for tournament.

Speaking of out of state opponents, just saw where Center Grove will play Louisville Trinity in 2022 week 3. Carmel vs CG will move up to week 2. This is on John Harrell's website.

16 hours ago, Blitz said:

Blitz is hearing rumblings about a potential SAC v. Indy day at LOS to kick off 2023 season. 

Stay tuned...

Intrigued...updates needed!!

18 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Meh.

Ben Davis/Louisville Trinity is a much more intriguing match up than Ben Davis/Perry Meridian. 

No one is forcing you to watch them either. 

Not saying it isn't fun to see these matchups every once in a while. I just personally would like to see them play Cathedral, Fort Wayne teams, or Penn or Valpo

6 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

1. Fun to watch 
2. There's really only a very select amount of teams from Indiana that can keep Carmel, Center Grove, Warren, etc. from playing their JV in the second half. From the standpoint of Carmel, would they rather get a challenge from Louisville Trinity or play their JV against an Indiana team?

I think they'd like to win first

1 minute ago, Boilernation said:

Would like to see some games against the following Chicagoland Conferences: Chicago Catholic League, DuPage Valley, Southwest Suburban Blue, and Central Suburban South. 

They're all solid conferences; however, the avereage Chicagoland HS football fan has very inflated opinions of them. Warren took a very good Central Suburban South program (Park Ridge Maine South) to the woodshed years ago. Chatard was supposed to play Joliet Catholic until JC's season was cancelled due to Covid. Chatard also recently played Naperville Neuqua Valley from the DuPage Valley and Hamilton Southeastern played a DuPage Valley team as well recently. 

Never understand why people always want to see these out of state games. Play teams affiliated with the IHSAA. I get that these games happen at times for various reasons, but I would much rather see Ben Davis play teams in Indiana rather than out of state. I do not care about how good teams from chicago or cincinnati are.

13 hours ago, HHF said:

Scecina graduate Kyle Padgett has turned 1A Centerville into a power in his 6 seasons there.

Good place to start.

 

Dont be surprised to see Kevin OShea thro his hat in the ring

I would definitely not be surprised to see Kevin O'Shea show interest for this job

With Carmel and CG being kicked out starting 2023, remaining MIC schools will be looking for new opponents for nonconference matchups. What are the future matchups that have been confirmed or even just rumored? Or what are some matchups you would like to see?

Looks like Warren Central has plans for FW Snider and FW Carroll. Also saw that they will potentially be play Warsaw in the future. Any others so far?

According to the Indy Star, IHSAA will be releasing their new classifications in the coming weeks. 

Cathedral

Curious, is there any word on if they are freezing it for one more year? Or reclassifying? Needs to be reclassified now!

4 hours ago, Blitz said:

Blitz is hearing some things re: matchups. 

Look for Northrop to lock in Goshen and New Haven. 

Carroll is going big. Like BIG. Center Grove, Warren, HSE and Merrillville all on the table. Perhaps even Fishers. Obviously only two per year but the Chargers want to take advantage of the opportunity to schedule up. 

Not to be biased, but if I am them I am taking Warren and Center Grove.

2 hours ago, HHF said:

I think this is still a possibility due more to political reasons than competitive ones.

I think IPS and top level politically connected people in Indy would like to see Tech in The MIC.  It would certainly go a long way in legitimizing IPS sports to the general public, and likely spur participation and even potentially increase enrollment.  The loss of CG and CAR makes The MIC less a football conference and more a basketball one, which is Tech's strength.  

If The MIC does intend to flex back out to 8 schools, I expect Tech to be one of the additions.  I think Franklin Central is the next best fit, just hard to see them bolt from The HCC.  

Best case scenario:

Tech and FC to The MIC

CG to The HCC

WL to The NCC

Carmel already off to the races as an independent

 

I really believe that CG would have gotten in the HCC if they went alone and no connection with Carmel. FC to the MIC makes so much sense.

On 1/21/2022 at 12:01 PM, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Using these numbers (and depending on what happens with Cathedral) here are the options I see for 6A sectionals:

With no Cathedral in 6A...

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Harrison (WL), Lafayette Jeff, Lake Central
Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Portage, Warsaw
Sectional 3: Carroll (FW), Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop
Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton SE, Westfield

Sectional 5: Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central, Zionsville
Sectional 6: Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Pike
Sectional 7: Perry Meridian, Southport, Tech, Warren Central
Sectional 8: Center Grove, Columbus North, Franklin Central, Jeffersonville

With Cathedral in 6A...

6A South stays the same, you just sub in Cathedral for Zionsville.

Sectional 5: Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central
Sectional 6: Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Pike
Sectional 7: Perry Meridian, Southport, Tech, Warren Central
Sectional 8: Center Grove, Columbus North, Franklin Central, Jeffersonville

The issue in 6A North with Cathedral in 6A is at least two teams between Zionsville, Westfield, Noblesville, Fishers, HSE and Carmel will HAVE to go to sectionals 1-3 somewhere. There are only 10 schools north of those schools, so 2 will have to go that way for their sectionals. My best guess is the "northern" most of that grouping is Noblesville and Westfield. Noblesville has been in a sectional with Fort Wayne schools in the past, so that makes sense for them to definitely be 1 of the schools heading WAY north. Westfield having to go a long way up Highway 31 to be included in Sectional 3 seems crazy, but the only other logical option would be to send Zionsville up Highway 65 with Laf Jeff and 2 region schools.

2 options as I see it:

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff, Lake Central, Portage
Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Warsaw, Westfield
Sectional 3: Carroll (FW), Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop
Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton SE, Zionsville

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff, Lake Central, Zionvsille
Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Portage, Warsaw
Sectional 3: Carroll (FW), Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop
Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton SE, Westfield

Anything different than either of these two options would come from breaking up schools that normally the IHSAA has not done in the past. Something crazy like this could work, but doesn't seem likely

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Penn, Portage
Sectional 2: Elkhart, Lafayette Jeff, Northrop, Warsaw
Sectional 3: Carroll (FW), Fishers, Hamilton SE, Homestead
Sectional 4: Carmel, Noblesville, Westfield, Zionsville

See what I mean? That's just really messy. I think they obviously keep these "pods" together when it comes to the North

Lake Central and Crown Point (2)
Penn and Elkhart (2)
Carroll, Homestead and Northrop (3)
Fishers and HSE (2)

That's 9 of 16 6A North schools that I feel like the IHSAA always trieds to keep together. Another random options could be:

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Penn, Portage
Sectional 2: Elkhart, Carroll (FW), Homestead, Northrop
Sectional 3: Lafayette Jeff, Noblesville, Warsaw, Westfield
Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton SE, Zionsville

I think this will be the serious topic in regards to the sectionals of 6A. It has serious implications. The south is pretty much standard and set if you ask me. The 6 North side of Indy schools makes it very difficult. I find it hard to believe Zionsville and Carmel get split up. But, Westfield is right there as well. It has to be split somehow. 

And this is all assuming Cathedral is 6A which I believe should and will be.

41 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

I think it will be very interesting to see what happens with that HCC alliance now. Center Grove and Carmel may have some pull away power. I know Kyle Neddenriep has mentioned this a couple of times in articles about the possibility that some in the HCC wanted Carmel and Center Grove. It must not have been half the conference or else they would have been in. If it was three, Carmel and CG would make five. If they could talk someone like Cathedral in that would be six. Then, what happens to the rest of the HCC at that point.

Much to watch!!

Just wait. It will happen. An above post might have a few of those schools that would like to break away with CG and Carmel.

9 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

The MIC would have some major egg on it's face if a few members tried joining Center Grove/Carmel in a new Conference. Remember, the MIC is "culturally aligned."

I can't see any conference other than the HCC willing to take on Center Grove. They would  dominate in most sports with teams from Conference Indiana or Mid State. That won't be the case in the HCC. 

HCC did not want them in. I guess that conference did not want to better itself. I would be willing to guess that CG is not that dominant in any other sport. Softball would be about the only one. 

Keep in mind that it is high school sports. CG will not always have the dominant teams it had the past 2 seasons in football. 

Also, as much as I enjoy the MIC, I am still not buying the culturally aligned statement put out by the remaining 6 schools. It was a money and competition thing.

1 minute ago, temptation said:

If this is the case, BD's free ride is over and Warren steps into the JV sectional huh?

you would think...Unless there is another way to sectional those schools. I just do not see another proper way. And it has been like this in the past.

6A South Sectionals according to new enrollments:

Sectional 5- Avon, Brownsburg, Pike, Ben Davis

Sectional 6- North Central, Lawrence North, Lawrence Central, Cathedral

Sectional 7- Warren Central, Tech, Perry Meridian, Southport

Sectional 8- Center Grove, Franklin Central, Columbus North, Jeffersonville

Not sure what other options would work best. I think the main question would be how Sectional 4 in the North is divided up between Carmel, Zionsville, Westfield, Noblesville, HSE and Fishers

I look at it like this, CG and Carmel have the option to create a new conference in the near future (I am talking 2,3,4 years from now). From what I have heard and sources that have shared, there are some HCC schools who would be willing to go with these schools. Possibly some MIC schools as well. You could see a small conference look like this...

Carmel, Center Grove, Fishers, HSE, Brownsburg, Avon, Cathedral (Maybe).

On the other hand, maybe CG is better off finding a conference to join or trying to avoid connection with Carmel. Carmel seems to be at the culprit of this entire thing. If CG stays away from them, they might have a better opportunity of joining a conference or possibly creating one on their own. Carmel is dominant in all sports and the school is so big it does intimidate programs. HCC obviously was.

It sure will be hard to find football games for both of these schools when the big schools of the Indy Metro area won't even schedule them or put them in their conference.

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Nah, not to my knowledge.  I just have to LOL at the way this story is being framed by @BDGiant93 and local media sources which is honestly a deflection from the truth.

The MIC schools got hurt feelings and were getting their brains beat out in nearly every sport and garnered support by playing the victim card.  In the environment which we live in 2022, its a way of life for so many...and it works more often than not.

In what can only be described as karma, CG and Carmel dominated this last weekend's MIC wrestling meet on their way out the door.

Until the conference expands to 8 teams again, every conference title won by current MIC schools will have an asterisk next to it in the Temp's book.

People seem to forget the real reason Carmel and CG decided to look at HCC. I agree with you.

Also, I find it funny that there are still a handful of the remaining MIC schools who have reached out to Carmel and CG about keeping them on the schedule. Kind of funny to me...

2 hours ago, EasyEJay said:

Cascade looks set to leave the ICC , will be interesting to see who in central Indiana makes the jump to this extremely competitive small school conference 

Indian Creek? I feel this is a good fit and would be less travel for them.

I would NOT kick out Carmel and CG. And I WOULD vote in Carmel and CG

1 hour ago, US31 said:

So you think Carmel is going to say "we won't play non-con against HCC schools" as a grudge?

Or do you think HCC schools won't schedule them because they didn't get into the conference?

I strongly disagree with both....but am confused about your premise.  

If I were Carmel I would not want to schedule them with them voting against to allow them in. Obviously Carmel will need to find opponents though so I am sure they will continue to schedule.

I am a MIC guy and will miss having Carmel and CG. However, I think it is completely weak minded of the HCC voters to not allow those schools in. HCC has large schools with lots of money and good communities and they don't want Carmel and CG in? Just crazy thinking. They play them in most sports anyway. I think it is very weak!!