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Article came out this past summer of Arsenal Tech leaving the NCC. When is this taking place? According to John Harrell they are still in conference and playing NCC teams for next season.

what is their plan in joining a conference in the metro area? Is there any other news on the whole MIC/HCC or any conference realignment? Feels like it’s gone dark.

I personally feel that there were many 4A teams that could’ve won 5A. I think to most people, 5A is just a lower tier of 6A. An “extra” 32 teams. I know it is not intended that way nor do I feel it will be like that every year.

If I had a say, the most fair way to divide this up is have 6A at 32. And class 1A at 32. Then go through and place 64 (or 62,63) in classes 2,3,4,5A. I feel this would create much more of an equal setting and allows that very small schools to have their class just like the largest 32. 

13 minutes ago, temptation said:

This isn’t the flex you think it is…

Roncalli played East Central twice…they could beat anybody above not named Cathedral.

Played two top ten teams in their respective states in Male and Elder.

New Pal, who could hang with any team you mentioned above not named Cathedral.

Respectable outfits in Brebeuf and Chatard.

AND shut out a Franklin Central team that had CG on the ropes.

Much harder?  Come on.

Everyone has their own opinion. Both are good backs. Both on good teams. Coaches voted. I’ll trust them.

for the record, CG did not play Shortridge, Attucks, or Southport. I also wish Roncalli would still play CG. Would still be an awesome environment and game.

3 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said:

Roncalli played Warren twice, BD, Carmel, Cathedral twice?

Not to mention some of the very below average teams roncalli did play. Overall, CG had a much harder schedule. Sure roncalli played some good teams. I would hope so with that tradition and program.

Just now, The TW said:

He was literally better against the same talent. Roncalli’s schedule was also actually harder than CG’s when Trinity, Male, and Elder are added in. Just saying. 

Roncalli played Warren twice, BD, Carmel, Cathedral twice?

Totally fine with it. It is what it is. Both are good. Making it to the state finals and winning definitely helps. Nobody gets anywhere by comparing opponents and games. Seeing both in person this year, I personally feel Coyle was faster and much more dynamic. Against better talent. Not taking anything away from Roncalli runningback. Just seeing it as I see it. Coaches vote on this as well. I trust their preference.

Looks like a good list to me.

7 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

Whiteland is exploding as its district snakes south and east of Greenwood and the parts of that area in Clark Township (east of I-65) are growing *fast*. 

If Whiteland isn't 6A next cycle, it will be in the following one. 

Which of the 6A schools are on the verge of dropping down to 5A if Whiteland or Valpo or Harrison move up?

Noticed on the broadcast last night that Valpo has an enrollment of 2,200. Must have gone up since the classification. If it stays at that number, that would put them up in 6A during the next reclassification after next season.

39 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Cycle started over this year:   (not going to do 1 point sectional champ)

6a, doesn't matter 

5a:  Valpo earned 4, Whiteland 3, Castle 2, Snider 2, 

4a:  East Central 4, NP 3, LaPorte 2, Roncalli 2, 

3a:  Chatard 4, Lawrenceburg 3, WL 2 Monrovia 2 

2a:   Mater Dei 4, Andrean 3, Linton 2, Luers 2, 

1a:   Lutheran 4, AC 3, Judson 2, 

without looking on Harrell's I think that is it 

So yes, Andrean and Mater Dei could conceivably be in 3 straight 2a state games 

Lutheran COULD win 3 straight titles before moving up 

You need 6 to bump up correct?

I wish I was more knowledgeable about this topic, but I know there are many of you out there that are. Would love to see what the success factor points were given out this past season to see who needs what to stay or bump up/down in classes for the next season.

What a fantastic season 2022! Hate when championship weekend is over.  

54 minutes ago, HoosierFB_JG said:

Alright CG, you need to move on from the MIC logo on the jerseys 😂 right @temptation?

 

 That’s all I’ve got.  Congratulations CG!

Maybe that’s a sign..???

7 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Agreed.

Cathedral has an open date already this year and plays Hammond Morton for the second straight year. With Carmel being independent for the time being really, hope that changes and both these teams agree to play each other annually. Sounds like future dates with Cincy GCL teams are going to be few and far between so need schools like Center Grove and Carmel to be on the schedule consistently.

Would love to see Carmel play cathedral every year. Cathedral has one of their weaker schedules in recent history this year.

It should not be that difficult in my opinion. There definitely could be some type of mix between sagarin and coaches polling.

I believe 5A and 6A should be seeded throughout the entire tournament. 16 on the north and 16 on the south. With home field advantage going to the higher seed.

1A-4A, I believe the best way is to seed the sectionals 1-8. There is not a perfect answer, but something can be done.

Another issue that I will continue to hope for is neutral site regionals and semi states. These are big time championship games and having a neutral site is very important for these. It will create a bigger feel as well. At the least, semi state needs to be neutral!

Private coaches, 7on7 leagues, travel baseball/aau basketball is hurting high school football coaches. Our high school football coaches put in so much time and work with the kids, assistants, at the school, going to clinics, etc. It is important as parents of young kids to trust in these men/women. Just because you take your kid to a private coach and pay him money does not mean he is going to be “D1”. Our high school coaches know football.

Earlier this summer the indystar put out a n article regarding a QB training coach up in Westfield. To me, that was harmful for our head and assistant coaches. Parents get caught in a trap thinking these special coaches know more. Sure, that individual might know some interesting techniques, but it is important to be at all your high school football first. Also, these high school teachers/coaches need to be paid more. It makes it very difficult on them with the amount of time they are putting in.

Football is a special game for special people. It is not AAU or travel baseball where you get to play a 100s of games throughout the year. It takes a tremendous amount of time, lifting, skill work, agility, training to get to those 10 or so games in the fall. Trust our coaches!!!

My 5A top 10 contenders:

1. Decatur Central

2. Merrillville

3. Snider

4. Dwenger

5. Harrison

6. Whiteland

7. Bloomington South

8. Valpo

9. Michigan City

10. New Albany

For 5A and 6A, seed the south and seed the north. Home field advantage goes to the higher ranked team. So that’s 16 south and 16 north. If there are some longer drives, so be it. 

2 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

My scheduling belief is ... 

*-If you're in a weak conference, schedule one heavyweight and one team slightly at/above your level. 

*-If you're in a conference where you're in the middle of the pack, schedule one team you can beat and one that's at/above your level. 

*-If you're in a strong conference (like the MIC), schedule one tough game but try to get a game that's winnable. Guys need to have some degree of confidence and they get beaten down by losing. 

The three that are bigger have been on their schedule for the last quarter-century. At least two of those three remain in their conference. 

What does Carmel and CG do now then? Almost impossible for them to find games

50 minutes ago, temptation said:

I’m not sure this is an apples to apples comparison.  He’s advocating for NC getting a couple of extra winnable games on the schedule by dropping CG/Carmel.

Its hard to sell your parents, student athletes, administration, etc on progress when you face a murderer’s row annually.

Hell, I put NC in my top 10 and fully expect them to be sub .500 this year.  4-5 would be one hell of an accomplishment for the Panthers.

I agree with this. Every team needs them. It’s high school. Even the best football programs are not at their best each year. A program needing to get things going definitely needs to find games that they can win.

Just now, Indiana Fan said:

I agree with this. Every team needs them. It’s high school. Even the best football programs are not at their best each year. A program needing to get things going definitely needs to find games that they can win.

Also to note, North Central is the 4th biggest school in the state.

4 hours ago, DT said:

I disagree. Continuing to play carmel and center Grove in non-conference regular season play will do nothing but wear down North Central.  They should preserve themselves for conference action by playing winnable non-conference games where they match up well physically. This will help them build up their record and likely enhance turnout.

You are also the same person who thinks teams need to schedule all of these tough out of state opponents for big time matchups.

10 hours ago, Blitz said:

If there are any inaccuracies let me know so I can correct. 

According to Carroll Twitter account, they are scheduled to play Center grove in 2024 and 2025.

3 hours ago, Blitz said:

A few SAC non-conference adds: 

- Northrop will play a home-and-home series with New Haven in Week 1 of '23 and '24, next year at Northrop and '24 at New Haven. 

- Northrop and Wayne will play a home-and-home in Week 2 of '23 and '24. The two teams are not scheduled to play each other in SAC play in those years. @ Wayne in '23, @ Northrop in '24. 

- Bishop Luers has added New Haven in Week 2 for '23. Luers will now play at East Noble in Week 1 and at home against New Haven in Week 2. 

All the SAC non-conference games Blitz has confirmed can be found at https://outsidethehuddle.net/list-of-future-sac-non-conference-opponents/

Some of that information is wrong

2 hours ago, FAREASTSIDEWC said:

Oh trust i am, im certain, but thats beyond the point....your bashing of the MIC, especially passive bashing of WC is what i noticed before i even got back on here...but like i said ill note that....

good ole boys, and i meant it, id say it with my chest, and on ppv if i could. everybody knows how carmel and CG is, it aint no secret, its been like that since the early 2000's....

How exactly are they?

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Competitive on a statewide level though.

Of course Carmel does in everything and if you are going to compare your school’s athletic program to Carmel you’re going to be disappointed every damn time.

5000+ kids with a FRL under 10 percent vs 3000 kids with a FRL in the high 20’s if I’m not mistaken.

You can break through and slay the giant every now and again but it’s hard to do consistently across the board.

Oh for sure CG is competitive in a lot of sports. I’m just saying it’s not Carmel. 
 

Conference talk is exciting and I do believe there will be some shake ups because of everything right now. However, I’m still a firm believer of conferences being put together based off of geographics as well as competition. Everyone on here wants these outrageous matchups with out of state teams all the time, but people do need to realize that coaches and parents don’t always want that. It makes it very very difficult for JV and Freshman. Conferences are important for scheduling stability as well. A lot more goes into this than just wanting to play big time matchups all the time.

I think Tech will have some implications on further realignment and determining on what conferences change and what other schools do in the Indy Metro area. I think Conference Indiana is on the brink of folding, but Tech could help revive it.

I think the MIC may stay put at 6 for a while. It will make it tough for scheduling teams outside of conference play. I believe Franklin Central should make the move to the MIC, but will stay put.

HCC is the king right now. They are set and have taken over the top conference. I believe they made a mistake not voting Carmel and CG in. CG might still make another run in a year or so and get in. HCC is not safe though. Carmel and or CG could pull some of those HCC schools to create a new conference. This has some legitimate background to it and has been discussed by many. 
 

Mid State is a very solid conference as well. They are solid at their 8 teams, but potentially in the near future you could see some shuffling take place. With Whiteland growing and Greenwood getting smaller, it’s only a matter of time before something gives.

The last domino/wild card is New Pal. Athletics are on the up, football is very good, growing. Could they potentially want out of their conference and look to join mid state or potentially look for other to create. 
 

12 minutes ago, temptation said:

CG has much more than just football and track. Softball, baseball, golf, XC just off the top of my head.

Sorry, just saw this.  Took the words right out of my mouth.

I think Carmel has this “larger than life” stigma attached to them and are sort of like the Yankees or Duke basketball of the IHSAA.

In talking to folks from a variety of walks of life, Carmel is usually the common enemy of most… and it’s because they win.

But they are not dominant like they are in football. Basketball programs are rarely at the top, they don’t dominate in those other sports. Carmel does in about everything.

46 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

But I don't believe Brownsburg is adverse to adding Carmel and Center Grove to the HCC. Westfield on the other hand, from what I've gathered in this thread, is vehemently opposed to the idea. 

Brownsburg at least schedules Ben Davis in the regular season as it makes sense given their west side locations. 

There's no reason why Carmel and Westfield shouldn't play every year in the regular season given Westfield's dynamic growth not only as a school and community, but as a football program. 

Ben Davis and brownsburg will stop playing in regular season within the next year or so. Not sure who was the one who wanted this to stop.

4 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I know this is a high school football forum, but could some of the reluctance for Carmel (and possibly CG) to join are due to the other sports??

For example, Carmel girls swimming, etc.

Really Carmel wins in every sport. Usually the top of the state. CG only has football and track. I don’t see them dominating in other sports all that much. Why is there such a reluctance to let them in a conference?