Impartial_Observer

17 hours ago, swordfish said:

Forget the abortion.....somebody hit that?

@btownqbcoach

9 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said:

Your interest is not of my concern.

The thread is about Madison Football coach, not scheduling, not conference affiliation, not contraction, not Nevada Football woes.

13 hours ago, DanteEstonia said:

Our issues with scheduling is not in alignment with Indiana. Nevada uses the cluster system- all leagues are decided once every two years at a meeting in Carson City.

The real issue is that school enrollments don’t follow a normal distribution and the travel times are therefore large.

I don’t care.

It's not so much the geese, it's what they leave behind! 

@DanteEstoniayou can downstroke me all you want, the bottom line the MSC is NOT adding an 11th school/10th Football playing school.  Why in hell would SC leave a conference where they are one of the largest schools for a conference where they would be one of the smallest ones? Can they compete in some sports, yes, in Football they've yet to win a MSC title, they would most likely be a perennial cellar dweller just like Madison in the HHC. And before anyone starts, yes, I'm aware that JC finished second in Football 2-3 year ago. But it was an anomaly. 

Madison has looked at other conferences, geographically where do they fit? Travel and competition wise, the EIAC is about a wash with the HHC. They have at times played Greensburg, Batesville, SD, and Lawrenceburg and the results are pretty much the same, with possibly a slightly better winning percentage. 

The only other option is to join the conference with Southwestern, Switz, South Ripley, etc., and that doesn't really help there cause as there is only one football school in the group, I would guess they'd have similar issues with swimming, wrestling, etc. 

Silver Creek, Borden, and Henryville are not going to consolidate any time soon. So your point about West Clark Schools being larger than Seymour is moot. 

The bottom line is this horse has been beat to death, time and time again. Let's bury it and call it a day. You now live in Nevada, why don't you focus on saving Nevada football? 

Lastly this is not a slam on any schools mentioned. These are the facts as they pertain to the tired subject of conference alignments by supreme leader of the conference alignment/scheduling Nazis. 

23 hours ago, swordfish said:

Lol.  Nature is scary!!

I had mom, dad, and a bunch of little ones walk out in front of me last night on my way home from my sectional, I accelerated and tried to get them, but they split up, mom went ahead with some of the little ones and dad turned back with the rest of the little ones. I didn't get a single one. Not sure if I've ever mentioned how bad I HATE geese. 

Guerin Catholic last year comes to mind.

In honor of the passing of one of the all time greats:

13 hours ago, Fkfootball said:

I have a solution.

 

Swap Madison with Silver Creek. Let Silver Creek compete in HHC Athletics. Madison would benefit greatly from playing in the MSC.

10 hours ago, DT said:

 

The HHC can go on with 7 schools

CE , NA, Jeff and FC would all benefit from some stiffer non con competition

 

On 5/18/2019 at 12:08 AM, DanteEstonia said:

Not gonna lie, I told my parents I was going to wait until they died before I had kids, and maybe I’m not alone?

Being a male, you understand  you can't do this by yourself........ right?

29 minutes ago, swordfish said:

Stuck in my head now.......Thanks Gonzo!!

We'll send lawyers, guns, and money!

On 5/15/2019 at 7:56 AM, GoodKn19ht said:

This is exactly why I posed the first question! We are trying to convince our school corp, and School board, as to why we want/need To move to an artificial surface!

I've been privy to some of the numbers of doing this. My opinion is you can't justify the initial cash outlay.  Consider it a capital improvement, much like renovating/new construction of a facility. Once it is installed, maintenance/replacement is justifiable. From what we have seen from early adopters, the surface itself will last 10-12 years. With the cost associated with surface replacement it is cost effective if you're spending anything at all in maintenance on your grass surface. 

19 hours ago, gonzoron said:

If I had a dime for every time someone spelled my name Brain, we'd all have a merry Christmas. 

1 hour ago, Wabash82 said:

Yep, just like the  drug manufacturers who worked to increase sales and build market share for their opiod products by misrepresenting the medical evidence re the benefits of pain management on healing, or the level of addictiveness of their products. Unfortunately for them, they were not smart enough to pay the right people to get themselves immunized from liability for the damage their products have caused as a result, like the gun manufacturers have done. 

Look, we (collectively this forum) have been down this same path enough times before. The conversation always starts with the "guns are just a tool" argument.  Then someone will make the blindingly obvious point that the manufacturers of any other consumer market tool that 1) injured and killed many people each year, yet 2) its actual utility among the people who owned it was consistently decreasing (because of the decline in hunting, less rural population, lower violent ctime rates, etc.) would have been sued out of existence a long time ago.

Then, suddenly, the argument becomes about "liberty" -- who are you to tell me what I want or need?

To which someone will make the again obvious point, from Poly Sci 101, that whenever humans form these things called societies, there inherently will arise conflicts between the needs, wants and desires of some individuals and the needs, wants and desires of others in that society, and that human societies have come up with lots of different ways in the course of history to resolve those conflicts, ranging from the guy with the biggest club decides, to the King appointed by God gets to decide, to hey, let's all vote on it. But that whatever method is chosen, the decision to live in society with other humans means that, one way or another, you ability to always get what you need or want is subject to limits because the "decider" in your society is not always you. 

And so then the conversation goes to, "Yeah but this is not just my "want". It is my right. Ever heard of the 2nd Amendment, pal?

And then we all become Constitutional experts and argue about what the 2nd Amendment means....

And then we get tired and talk about the  latest Trump tweet until the next time a bunch of kids get shot up....

Using your Occam's Razor analogy, isn't there a paradox? Shouldn't murders as a whole have risen in proportion to the number of guns in circulation?

The gun manufacturers have never tried to hoodwink the market there are anything more than what they are. I'm pretty sure you won't find any studies that indicate how healthy it is to be on the business end of a firearm.  

I'll grant you we've been down this path before and it's pretty much fruitless. I have always maintained that to live in a truly free society there are inherent risks involved and I stand by that. Statistically there is still a far greater chance I'll be killed by a driver illegally driving drunk going home tonight, than I have of being shot by a kid illegally possessing a firearm.  

28 minutes ago, Wabash82 said:

Your comment goes both ways, obviously. Let's all agree we will look at all angles of the problem, which includes getting guns out of the hands of people who ought not to have them, by reducing the overall "supply."  

Since the 1970s, there has been a huge change in gun culture in America. The majority of the people who owned guns owned then because they hunted (and/or lived in rural area where varmint killing was a necessity.) Guns were tools. Today, less than 15% of Americans hunt, and the percentage of people living in rural areas has declined substantially. Yet the number of guns per capita has doubled.  That has occurred through the concerted efforts of gun manufacturers and their lobbyists, such as the NRA, to make sell guns as (1) "necessary" for personal self-defense, and  (2) fun, cool adult "toys" -- let's play army! As so many gun owners on here have suggested in the past, the functional differences between "assault"-style rifles and other semi-automatic rifles used for hunting or varmint killing are often small. But the gun manufacturers understand that the guy living in a subdivision in Carmel has no need for a varmint-killing rifle -- and based on crime rates in Carmel, little need for a self-defense weapon, either. But he may WANT a rifle that looks sorta like the one those Special Forces dudes were carrying in that movie or video game he likes... because it just looks bad a$$. And so another gun that the owner has no real need or use for is out there, available to be messed with by a curious kid, stolen by a burglar and re-sold, etc. 

US manufacturers working to increase sales and gain market share, this is outrageous, when did this start happening?

Alas we get to the crux of the matter, who gets to decide an individual's needs?

5 hours ago, GoodKn19ht said:

This is exactly why I posed the first question! We are trying to convince our school corp, and School board, as to why we want/need To move to an artificial surface!

Count me in for a donation to install an escalator to and from the field! 

5 minutes ago, Wabash82 said:

I get it.

1) It is a mental health issue if a 16 year old white suburban or rural kid high on Ritalin shoots another 16 year old because he is one of the "jocks" at school who bully him.

2) It is a law-and-order issue when a 16 year old black city kid stoned on pot shoots a 16 year old from the same neighborhood because he is in a different street gang.

3) It is not a problem that either kid had a gun; the problem is the paucity of good-guys-with-guns to "get the drop" on these kids. 

 

1=Apples

2=Oranges

3=Ridiculous

At some point alternative fuel vehicles are going to grow to numbers that matter. With a fair chunk of our roads being funded by fuel taxes, there's obviously going to be an issue. And no doubt as cars become more hi-tech, roads themselves will follow a similar path and most likely become more costly. Cummins announced just this week the opening of a new facility in Columbus dedicated to electric propulsion. So there is a paradox coming, but timing is everything, and this ain't the time. My guess is Illinois facing already tight money issues, saw a chance to add everything they can. 

18 hours ago, Wabash82 said:

What are the "these shootings" you are specifically talking about. School shootings? Mass shootings? Shootings where the shooters were kids? 

The only "theme" I see is people with grudges against the world, based on religion, politics, bullying, can't get a date, can't keep a job, mommy didn't love me, didn't get a pony, etc., etc., etc., took advantage of easy access to guns to kill or maim some people. 

Ultimately not any different that what happens almost nightly in Indy and other big cities, but that's 18 or 16 year old black kids shooting up other 18 or 16 year old black kids, so no one really cares about identifying any "themes." 

Take your pick.

Prior to the last meltdown of this forum I posted stats from mass shootings and the presence of mental illness and psychiatric drug use. 

I'll concede the point, you guys are right, we need more gun laws, especially in light of how well our current laws are working and being vigorously prosecuted.

11 minutes ago, BARRYOSAMA said:

I thought white elephants were gag gifts at Christmas.

In one of the articles linked, at least one of the shooters was using drugs, "legal and illegal" and had been in therapy. 

As I have stated before no one wants to look at the white elephant in the room, there is a recurring theme in "most" of these shootings and everyone refuses to see it.

I still find myself today going back and watching clips on youtube of the old Carol Burnett Show. Conway was brilliant, and Harvey Korman never got his due as a comedic actor in my opinion.  

36 minutes ago, BARRYOSAMA said:

Must be talking about women's suffrage or civil rights.

29 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Or the evangelical shift on political candidates.

This stuff is so played. 

4 minutes ago, Wabash82 said:

Or... he is a minor, so they are showing some restraint. The boy who did the school shooting in Fishers  a few years ago, as far as I am aware, has never been named by the media because he is a minor. 

I believe you are correct. In fact I've heard media personnel talk about the fact his name was readily available on social media, but they were honoring the fact he was a juvenile.