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Looks like Blackford...

Can't believe I missed them! John Harrell had them sorted funny when I looked at Win/Loss by sectional. Hope MG gets a good draw and sees them in the final!

So Eastbrook is on cruise control through the regular season...When does the GID/CIC community think they can be tested in the tourney? Sagarin has Tipton/Lapel/Eastern (Greentown) in sectional 36 all within one score of them. Does a weak CIC hurt them this year or will they simply be a well oiled machine come tourney time and escape sectional w/ ease...who can beat them from Northern 2A? Is Mississinewa down? I thought they might not miss a beat even w/ Funk leaving, but looks like they have little chance in their sectional. Are Frankton, Elwood, Alex just that bad? All are hoping they draw each other I bet, if we're lucky enough to make it to sectionals intact... Oak Hill/Blackford setting up a week 9 showdown for 2nd place possibly? Mad-Grant...they're at least playing up and hope that prepares them come tourney time. Top team in their sectional right now is Tri-Central that barely snuck by Frankton...they have a shot at some hardwood. I'll take a stab at picks for this week... Elwood over Alex - I'll take the GID's word that Frosh QB is playing and Elwood can take advantage...they're hungry for a win and likely grew in a close loss to Frankton. Eastbrook over Frankton - Hope Frankton pulls 1 or 2 wins more out this year, but think they need the sectional draw to fall in their favor as the top 1/2 of CIC lays ahead....starting this Friday. Eastbrook chooses margin of victory. Blackford over MG - Argylls will play hard and it'll be close, but Blackford pulls away in 2nd half. OH over Mississinewa - Wing-T or a confused Spread Wing-T will pull it out over Mississinewa....Indians haven't bought into new guy yet, plus OH wants to be relevant again.

Is the CIC as a whole competitive in other sports?

36 is 2A might have 3-4 in the top 10 of that class when sectional rolls around

Your honest opinion...can it change and if so how long does it take a program to change it? Elwood/Alex/Oak Hill have all had success within last 10 years. Frankton had been a been a football school for a number of years until recently. Blackford looked like it had a turn in direction a few years ago. MG has had more negative than positive I think...do any of those have a shot to turn it around? Or is current CIC simply destined to be a weak conference or are they waiting for a change up and I'm defining that as Eastbrook/Mississinewa leaving.

Shorter travel for sure, but too much discrepancy between school size and/or talent when considering other sports. Just in football...Anderson, Jay County, and Muncie Central would be guaranteed bottom dwellers. Plus, Delta/Pendelton are right where they belong in the HHC for all sports. Frankton has had equal success in basketball as Lapel, but they're a doormat in the CIC from a football perspective and Lapel/Tipton/Heights/Greentown looks like they'd be a lock for the 3rd spot in football most years and add another quality opponent to the other teams. But should a Lapel, Tipton, or Heights want in to simply play weaker competition most Friday nights? Playing Alex, MG, Blackford, Frankton, Elwood right now does nothing for a program trying to get better come tourney time. They are just guaranteed wins. I'd argue that Eastbrook/Mississinewa should want out...and Lapel, Tipton, Heights, Greentown, etc should stay far away. No clue how scheduling works, but I think you want 2-3 games that you have to play phenomenal to win. 4-5 games you need to play well to win. And 2-3 games you need to show up to win. Let the tourney play out how it may. I get that formula can never be perfect, but it'd be something I'd keep in mind as a HC/AD. I don't see Eastbrook/Mississinewa keeping that balance with 6 other teams that have no chance to beat them (Eastbrook has pulled it off in recent years, so maybe they know the secret is to frontload the first 3-4 games and then use the CIC schedule to get healthy/perfect). Plus, as I said earlier, one of the only non-conference wins was MG vs Cloverdale...I don't see much success from the bottom 5 this season come tourney time. Guess my overall question is what needs to change in the bottom 5 in the CIC - HC changes, staff changes, Youth League Emphasis, something in community, lack of spring/summer this year? Or is this a part of an overall trend we are going to start/continue to see within those bottom 5?

CIC teams went like 2-12 in this seasons non conference schedule. MG beat Cloverdale and Eastbrook beat Marion. Overall takeaway is that games weren't competitive (my opinion based on final score) against good/solid opponents from out of conference. Exceptions were Eastbrook/Delta and Oak Hill/Greentown. It's just overall a conference that is not competitive from top to bottom...but the head scratcher is that talent immediately surrounds it - Lapel, Tipton, Greentown for example. Does getting new schools in the conference enhance CIC or should teams be attempting to leave the CIC?

Can Elwood beat Frankton this week? Will mississinewa ever change their nickname? what schools could CiC add for a north/south or East/West split?

Yup, raised mine!

Elwood/Madison-Grant - Bummer to hear they had to cancel Week 1, hope for their kids sake it is a one week deal...and I hope it is not a depth issue as I've seen reported on Twitter Frankton vs Tri-Central - I've heard the Eagles look solid...hope they bounce back to the glory years. I'll take them by two scores Alex to Eastern Hancock is intriguing - EH beat up on some ho-hum teams last year, but lost to Heritage Christian 2x and Lapel...I'm thinking they have the Tigers number by 2 scores Blackford vs Wes-Del - Give me the Bruins by two scores...hard to defend the ground and pound as 1A school playing up Eastbrook vs Marion - Hope they have the whole playbook in during a short amount of time, Panthers will need it vs the Giants - Marion by 3 scores Mississinewa - Know next to nothing on the Arabians this year, and even less on Mississinewa...I'll go with the team that doesn't play 1A/2A schools...Arabians by 2 scores Oak Hill - Greentown is coming off a solid season...I know they've lost some, but don't feel the Golden Eagles have gained much either. Toss Up...But let's go with the home team Oak Hill by one score

Heritage Christian is open I think? That'd be a solid 2A matchup vs Tipton

This forum wasn't made for speculating, you mistook a county for a state...Thats not misreading, that is being ignorant...or simply not doing diligence to confirm a story. Don't post a believed fact without a source. TA coached my family growing up. I played under him for 3 seasons. He would be disheartened by all these threads being shut down and argument over whether we are having a season and letting this turn into a political mess. He would have rooted for a season to happen if it was safe to do so and if people followed proper guidance to do so. Share an opinion or two, even open a topic to discuss one, but don't simply banter across multiple threads on the High School Board to push your agenda/beliefs or to get off on doing so. Move to the OOB (or whatever it is called). This was created to promote and discuss IN high school football - Keep it at that. I coach and am blessed to do so, here's hoping for a season...I'll do my part with the mask mandate and social distancing. I'd simply encourage all to do the same. And the same goes for the other side also spitting ignorance. Mask up - only possible solution to slow this that is being suggested by experts. Social Distance and be patient with reduced crowds. We're all in this together. DO YOUR PART!!!

Per The Star Press website (Muncie Paper) no headline or news article has been published in the last 24 hours stating this or alluding to a discussion on it. Delaware County girls golf teams had a match yesterday, though. Possible your mistaken for the state of Delaware that pushed fall sports to the spring, which hit the news cycle about two hours ago?

Any idea as to what kind of offense/defense scheme he might run? I have zero idea as to what Decatur Central runs, but know they had a stud QB recently...Elwood might be a different type of athlete than he's used to. I think Elwood was Wing-T under previous coach?? Hope he can stick around for a few years...need continuity to bring them back to a respectable program, gotta be tough for the kids having a new coach for the 3rd straight season and 4th in 5 years. If he stays and develops they can be respectable in a traditionally weak CIC conference. Eastbrook/Mississinewa are night and day above the rest that appear to just shuffle around the 3-8 slots in recent years.

Then it appears the bigger issue is spin given by the Daily Reporter, evidence it gives to support the spin, and the date it was published. Evidence it gives to show how this particular football program is moving forward despite a stay at home order can do nothing but raise questions/issues. Looking solely at this article, I don't feel anything but concern/worry/anger can happen. I am sure that those that applauded and/or attended the specific large group workouts before March 23rd wish that they now didn't happen. I hope going forward all high school athletes in Indiana are able to work out solely from their own home and that the upcoming season is able to happen. Stay safe everyone...

I need to clarify my above comment - but by "this team" I am talking about the individual players choosing to implement workouts/meetings that involve travel to another persons residence, which is cited numerous times in the article.

I agree with you in why it was written in the first place, with tone/spin the article takes, and evidence it presents. But it was written and it does raise certain questions and leaves a lot of truths unanswered. It presents a lot of ways in which this team is working around social distancing, not despite social distancing.

If the article is incorrect with any facts, then I hope they run a different one in the upcoming days to clarify any mistake... Two pictures in the photo gallery clearly present the fact social distancing is not taking place - No dates are given with the pictures, but it's not illogical to assume they coincide with the dates of the article (4/6). Picture 2 in the gallery Appears to be in a public park - assume it is before restrictions were put in place, but article does not clarify that at all Picture 4 in the gallery Appears to be at a person's home with their own personal equipment - again I assume it is before restrictions were put in place, but article does not clarify that at all Another statement in the article could be perceived as troublesome - "the group cleared the Dragons’ weight room the morning of March 13 and initiated an offsite workout routine until school resumed." Does that mean they reallocated the school's weightroom (or parts of it) to an off-campus location and players are organizing/running workouts from said location? Article states a specific New Pal" family has invited players into their home where they have a weight room and an indoor basketball court." - Article was published on 4/6. Again, this invitation existed after numerous gyms have closed across the states and all professional/college teams have shut down all operations, based on when the article was presented. Article cites four current players that "have shared their weight equipment with teammates in limited groups of 3-4 at a time." - Article published on 4/6 and highlights travel that wouldn't be deemed essential. On the first day of group runs in mid-March, nearly 40 players showed up to voluntarily participate. - Again not on coaches as the article states voluntarily, but that is not the issue. Thousands of people had to abruptly adjust their lifestyle based on what was being ordered by state leaders. Participation in this workout shouldn't be applauded (which is the general tone of the article), but rather used as an experience to learn from. Citing two specific players..."the players often break into position groups during their brief small, group meetings." - Are these happening online? Or is the park still a meeting point? If it is the latter, position group meetings are not essential travel. “A lot of guys have been trying to find ways to lift at their house or in groups of two or three will have them lifting at someone’s house." - Groups of two or three is an effective practice of social distancing, but traveling to do it??? Again, the article was published on 4/6, which is many days after we've been on essential travel only guidelines. We can only assume that traveling to "small-group workouts/meetings" has taken place based on the facts in the article and when it was published. This article is either poorly written/worded or it is celebrating small-scale violations of the stay at home order. I am not a keyboard warrior...I read the article and I stated the facts presented in the article. It's been great seeing the High School Sports Community rally on social media and see the numerous different ways High School Athletes are able to work out/adjust to this crisis (and based on New Pal's track record, I'm sure they have dozens of kids safely working hard!!!), but I question why the article celebrates travel to work out or any meeting/voluntary work-out that took place between mid-March to today. These issues are not for the coaches to fix, advise on, or stop, but they need to be stopped nonetheless for the next few weeks.

I just don't understand why 40 or so kids are traveling to work out or how parents are letting it to happen. Hopefully, it's been nipped in the bud by now. But kids should not be in an hourly rotation to use weight room equipment...I don't care what they say about sanitizing it or anything. It's been great seeing the press of football teams/athletes finding creative ways to interact and work out, but I truly do hope parents aren't letting kids travel simply to lift weights at friends houses.

http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/2020/04/07/dragons_find_a_way_despite_pandemic_new_palestine_football_players_refuse_to_sit_idle/ I don't understand how this is allowed. Every gym in the state is shut down. Professional sport teams are shut down. I don't understand...

Any update on speakers? I didn’t see an updated list on ifca website.

Put yourself in the shoes of one of the applicants who may not have taken the job if offered it, but simply wanted to see if this position was the correct “next step” in his coaching journey. He has a right to not have his name brought up while he pondered the possibility of this position. I simply think protecting the current programs should be more important than possible speculation on what ifs or right/wrong decision on applicants. In regards to this topic, it is up to those directly involved with Noblesville football to disclose necessary information to relevant individuals directly tied to the program. Those directly tied to the program that feel correct decisions aren’t being made are free to organize and push for necessary change so that their voices are heard. The GID is not that platform...never has been. Best of luck to Coach Sharpe...I had the pleasure of meeting him this fall. Noblesville football will be all right.

DT - I am currently an assistant coach at a school in Central Indiana that has had decent success in the last few seasons...enough success that our current head coach would likely have the resume to apply for other jobs if he happened to be motivated to coach at a bigger school and/or desired a more established program. Our coach is 100% in the right to apply to any job in which he is motivated to go after. I honestly have no idea if he has applied to other jobs this offseason or previous offseasons. With complete certainty though, if it were to be publicized in our community that he was actively seeking another job, it would cripple his current program and impact his family's status within their small town community....and also impact relationship with staff he is leaving or could potentially leave. Imagine if he actively sought another job and had to have it publicized for a couple offseasons in a row....that wouldn't be fair to anyone. Keep as much as the decision making process in house. It is up to the individual applicant to disclose information they feel others need to know whether it be family, current administration, coaching staff, etc...It is not up for any of those people to decide who gets to know. I appreciate the policy of these admin and know TA would be proud!!

I quickly read through 6 pages on this thread and it grew tiresome. I strongly root for Tom Allen and IU football and believe it is beginning to be nationally relevant and he/program will begin to pull top IN guys consistently. Is current all time leading rusher one of those...yes. Is he one of the best RB's in the nation in his class, I don't think so. But he is a PWO and a smart move by IU. Prove Hoosier staff (and other D1 prorams) wrong and he'll be a scholarship guy after 1-2 years, his choice to roll those dice as I am sure FCS and D2 offers were there. I guarantee he will be a phenomenal scout team guy as next season starts. As has been much defended on here by the New Pal supporters is that he is a team first player, and being so, I am glad to see him as a part of IU football. My best wishes to him as he continues his football career and is able to use his talents to hopefully get four or more years out of this great game!