Bash Riprock

Tom Allen's buyout.....are you kidding me?  Tops in the Big 10.  IU made their bed.

https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/lists/big-ten-football-head-coaches-contract-buyouts-ranked-2021/

1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

2020 is looking more and more like a fluke with each passing game, but 2019 also happened and IU was a botched onside kick away from beating an SEC team in a bowl game to win 9 games for the first time in forever. 

It's pretty clear Allen is in over his head, and he hasn't yet recovered from the loss of offensive coordinator Kalen Deboer and defensive coordinator Kane Wommack who are both doing extremely well as head coaches on their own. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who IU hires until IU decides they want to play big boy football, and that won't happen until IU decides to pony up and not only hire quality assistants, but pay the necessary money to retain them. 

100% truth......

I will also add a head coach as well 

23 hours ago, HomeCookin said:

All of the arguments on this topic are good. Fortunately for Roncalli, New Pal, and any other school that feels there strength of schedule is holding them down have a GOLDEN opportunity to add CG, Carmel, Cathedral, and probably a couple other MIC schools to there schedule starting next season. But I’m willing to bet none of them will.

Hard for me to understand why you would schedule a 6A team from out of state when there’s plenty of schools locally looking for games.

Totally agree....in fairness, NP did for a couple of years with CG and won those games....I would have liked to have seen that series last much longer.

Also, we all know that Roncalli and CG had a series for years.....but CG started winning the majority and it was dropped quickly.  I hated it because of locations and the huge gate draw for both schools.  Made zero financial sense.  Same for Whiteland and CG....played a number of years dominated by the Trojans.  But with Whiteland's growth, would love to see that series come back.  These schools are so close to one another....

22 hours ago, temptation said:

In 2020 I was told that they had a top coach…

He loves his players and jumps up and down a whole lot, remember?

(Hell in the past five years I’ve been told Scott Frost was gonna take over the Big Ten, Paul Chryst had what it took to take Wisconsin to the next level, PJ Fleck was gonna make Minnesota an annual contender in the Big Ten West…and Jim Harbaugh was going back to the NFL because he sucked.)

Not sure why you worked your Michigan "homerism" on my comment.  Has zero to do with Jim Harbaugh.  Its about the direction of IU football.

Michigan had always been a top tier team that had fallen from those ranks.  Looks like they are back up.  Just enjoy and cross your fingers they can beat Ohio State on a more regular basis.  

BTW, Paul Chryst was fired with a 75% winning record at Wisconsin with annual bowl trips.  That performance at Indiana would get you a pretty big statue outside of the stadium.  His team is down this year and got spanked by a former Badger coach the Wisconsin brass still hates because he left them.

8 hours ago, Irishman said:

Everything starts with the offensive line. While Bazelak looks off, the fact is he has been running for his life all f'ing night. So, what do you do? They do not have the players to even compete against Nebraska. So, we talk about Allen not being the guy. That is obvious at this point. But who is out there? The constant turnover is part of the problem. The program is going in the wrong direction and now the schedule gets a LOT tougher. Just so f'ing frustrating seeing crap like tjis year in and year out. 

Spot on. It seems to me until IU really spends the money on a top coach and staff, this will never change. Even if the get an “up and comer” Coach, they won’t hold him. 
 
It is really tough to watch….

16 hours ago, MonkeyButt said:

So according to this logic why do people even try to put together a multi-class power ranking? According to this logic the HCC and the MIC and Center Grove and Carmel should be the only teams in spots 1-16 and still yet your logic says that after those conferences and two teams the other 6A teams, because of their schedule, will fill up the remaining spots. 

Head to head and common match ups between teams and the teams they play is the only other fair way to include teams in lower classes. In some ways I joke about these power rankings, but honestly the "They have to play a similar schedule all year long..." metric in a power ranking like this is moot. You can't compare because even a school like CG lost a majority of their games and someone said that an undefeated Merrillville should be ranked above them, someone would use the argument, "Well Merrillville doesn't play the tough schedule that CG plays. That logic and metric defeats the rankings. The question has to be can Team A defeat Team B on any given day. Not Team A doesn't play the year long tough schedule Team B does so regardless they can't be ranked above them even though it is agreed Team A could or would beat Team B. 

No…my logic is that while perhaps fun, this is just hypothetical. Handle business first. Win the games you need to be crowned champion in your weight group. Then the “logic” of who beat who on a given night while playing schedules of vastly different difficulties becomes a discussion of a tad more merit. 
 

I get it that you are invested in one of those teams. 

4 minutes ago, MonkeyButt said:

Exactly what I am saying. Pretty simple! LOL

I will say that in the end Roncalli and New Pal may be the best two teams in the state, but we will never know. 

 

It is very hard to call a team the top team in the state from just being eye candy.  They have to play a similar schedule all year long...while a single game looks good, it is not the same of playing that degree of difficulty all year long.  Its all hypothetical.

Roncalli and New Pal are outstanding...but they are not playing the best of HCC and MIC all year long....and then in the playoffs, both the best of HCC and MIC, along with the best of the north.  Its surviving the grind that makes a team the very best.  I don't put a ton into a single game or if a team beats an opponent by a larger spread or that another team didn't on a given night.  Carmel lost to Trinity on opening night....impossible to judge a football team for the season based on an opening game.  CG lost to Trinity in double OT in Louisville, coming off playing WC and Carmel, losing one of the top backs in the state.  It is not an apple to apple comparison.  

40 minutes ago, MonkeyButt said:

So since in a power ranking I don't do head to head strength of schedules (doesn't make sense to do so) but rather head to head match ups and related games here is what I see so far. If you want to argue class schedules against each other then I guess there is nothing to discuss.

HSE 26 Westfield 21 - New Pal 42 Westfield 28 - New Pall should be ranked above HSE

Louisville Trinity beats CG 29-28 2OT and Carmel 17-7

Louisville Male 23 Louisville Trinity 21

Roncalli 28 Louisville Male 7 - Roncalli should rank above CG, and yes at this point probably New Pal as well, especially if they beat Cincinnati Elder next week who beat St Xaxier (KY) who also beat Trinity. 
 

I know it is "7 degrees of separation" argument but Roncalli handle a good Male team (though it was close into the 4th quarter) that beat a good Trinity team that beat both CG and Carmel. Question is could Roncalli beat CG and Carmel. I think so. There is an argument there to put them ahead of CG, especially since Roncalli is undefeated.

well if team X beat team Y on a given night, but a couple of weeks later team Z beats team X.....but then team Y beats team Z this week, but team P has an easier strength of schedule, and team P beat an opponent of Team Y, therefore...........

7 hours ago, temptation said:

Dozens gonna watch him put on a show at the Rose Bowl tonight…

Opening drive, throws a 33yd TD pass on 4th and 6. Playing with confidence. 

On 9/21/2022 at 11:49 AM, temptation said:

Small sample size for me anyway as I did not keep tabs on him prior, but DeBoer strikes me as a potential future NFL guy.  Seems like an offensive mastermind.

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

I'm not sure New Pal could hold their own on a week week basis in the MIC quite yet.  A gauntlet of Warren, LC and BD in a 3-4 week span is tough for a team with such a depth disadvantage.

Now, in a one game scenario I think they could defeat all three and am tempted to even say they would be favored over all three if the contest were this weekend.

NEVER thought I would say that a few short years ago.

That's fair....I've been watching the MIC a long, long time.  Bet this NP team and some of the past could hold their own....but I agree year in and year out, that would be a tall order.  And I agree...playing a season long schedule takes its toll.  That is why I commented in my first post, a single 6A win is interesting.  Beating a number of 6A teams is a trend.

14 hours ago, CaptainHook said:

While NP is growing, enrollment just topped 1200 this year.  They aren't ready for the MIC yet!  Although the MIC isn't what is used to be.

He is playing well.  I thought he held his own at Ohio State.  MAC play starts this weekend.  Definitely enjoying it.  Played at Notre Dame, at Ohio State, at San Diego State last weekend...fun times and good memories.

I love to poke the Cathedral bear in here.  All in good fun.

LOL...I got the poking.....I absolutely bet NP could hold their own in the conference!!

You are experiencing some very special places.....my good buddy's son played at Miami OH and later OK State....he experienced the same.  Although the Glass Bowl is pretty special as well.  Hope he continues to do well and stay healthy.  Making central Indiana proud!!

16 hours ago, CaptainHook said:

NP can only do so much.  For years, everyone complained about the Dragons conference.  Then MV won 4A in 2021, and GF is ranked in 2022.  The Dragons schedule outside their weight class, and defeat 6A Westfield and 5A Decatur Central.  We can't all schedule a bye and Hammond Morton.  It is what it is.  They won't be tested the rest of the regular season.

There are rumblings that the MIC might need a couple of new teams........😉

Beating one 6A team is interesting piece of data....beating 9 of them in the regular season, then a few more in the playoffs....now that is a trend.

Joking aside, NP is an outstanding program.  Where do you think they should be ranked?

BTW, big fan of your son...how's he doing at Toledo??  His stats look really impressive....need to sit down and watch him play this season!!

Had a chance to listen to the interview with Jelani Woods rookie TE for the Colts on the Kevin and Query sports radio show this morning.  Impressive and humble young man.  I am a fan!

https://www.1075thefan.com/show/kevin-and-query/

1 hour ago, Warren Central Warrior said:

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Bash, I apologize for having a negative mindset. It's hard not to think that way

I understand the frustration...I was just funnin'.  WC is a great program....just going through some hiccups....I fully believe they will get the ship heading into the right direction.  No one looks forward to playing WC in the playoffs.  If a team beats the Warriors, they earned it.

On 9/23/2022 at 9:51 PM, Warren Central Warrior said:

Well, a lot of you guys were wrong tonight. Warren Central wins 49-14 over Pike. The Warriors improve to 3-3, 2-2 in the MIC with one conference game left.

???  A couple were wrong....I seem to remember negativity coming from........

7 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Might eek out 1, maybe 2 more as neither Rutgers or Purdue is very good, but very well could have seen IU’s final win last week.

Last 2 minutes of the first half has been a microcosm of Tom Allen’s career and really IU football in a nutshell for the last century. Down 14 with the ball on 4th and inches and you blink and IU is somehow down 28. It’s incredible how poorly coached IU is.

It seems like IU is never ready to play to start the game.....

Also, I am tired of a coach acting like "Jo Jo the Circus Boy" every time a decent play is made.  Act like the performance is what you expect.  The head coach should be a CEO, and acting like a spaz on the sideline is tough to watch.  Be their "best buddy" after they graduate....Expect greatness.

11 hours ago, LC_Bears_04 said:

 

Warren Central at Pike:  Looks like I'm not the only person predicting an upset in this game. Pike has had close calls this season against Zionsville, Fishers, and LC.  Eventually, they're gonna break through and win one of these close games.  Meanwhile, Warren Central has been one of the more disappointing teams in the area this season.  I thought they could be a top 5 team with the 16 returning starters they brought back this season.  Lots of turnovers, penalties, blown coverages, and unforced errors by this team the past 3 weeks.  Like I said about Kevin O'Shea, it's not like Mike Kirschner has forgotten how to coach.  It just feels like something isn't right within this program, but I can't figure out what it is.  I think Pike will be the more motivated team Friday and will beat Warren Central by 7 points.

 

I agree with your comments about WC and Coach Kirschner....he has certainly not forgotten how to coach.  Didn't also bring back Coach Tutsie this season?  

I am wondering if this is more about rebuilding the culture....and if so, sometimes one has to tear it down a little to build it back up.  One this is for sure, WC has too much talent and with the leadership there, I fully expect things to improve and improve pretty quickly.  They are a pretty darn good football team, and they could turn the corner quickly. I don't think any team will be excited to face them in the playoffs.  If any team beats a Warrior team, they typically have earned it.

Speaking of Warren, anyone see David Bell play for the Browns last night?  Pretty darn awesome!!!

1 hour ago, temptation said:

I do feel an obligation to quickly defend Michigan's schedule and agree that we will find out a lot about them this weekend against Maryland.

As most know, college football schedules are made years in advance and at the time Colorado State and Hawaii were scheduled, they were rolling and consistently bowl teams winning 7-8 games.  Both teams had recent coaching changes and are in the rebuilding process to say the least but hindsight is 20/20.

As for UConn, it was an emergency replacement as Michigan had a home and home scheduled with UCLA.  (By no means a juggernaut, but a power 5 team nonetheless.)

When the Big Ten adopted the 9 game conference schedule, Michigan was slated to have four home conference games in 2023, plus a road game at UCLA.  The athletic department, coming off of COVID, was not willing to only play 6 home contests in 2023 so UCLA was dropped and UConn was added.

Moot point now, but just wanted to point it out.

No disagreements that schedules are done years in advance.  But the fact remains that the Wolverines schedule has been very weak so far.  Is that a big deal?  I don't think so.  They play in the Big 10 East.  They will face some stellar competition   Also, they travel to Iowa....while not the best Iowa team offensively, they do have a tough D and its never easy winning in Iowa City.  No will debate about their schedule at the end of the season.  They will earn their outcome as they face the meat of their schedule....and it will be a grinder.

On 9/18/2022 at 12:46 PM, temptation said:

&$@? BYU is rich considering the volleyball story that was just proven to be false. 

Looks like Oregon is doing some damage control with a recruit over #$@! the Mormans!!......

https://www.si.com/college/2022/09/20/quarterback-recruit-left-oregon-byu-game-after-offensive-chant

A vulgar chant marred an otherwise momentous victory for Oregon during Saturday’s game against BYU. Amid the Ducks’ 41–20 win over the Cougars at Autzen Stadium, yells of “f--- the Mormons” rained down onto the field from the school’s student section.

Now, the actions of the individuals responsible for the chants may have had a negative impact on recruiting a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

High school quarterback T.C. Manumaleuna II, a Salem native, told the Statesman Journal he and his family left the game at halftime because of the chants. Manumaleuna, who is Mormon, explained he didn’t fault the school for the students that were involved in the chants but did feel like the repeated incidents had “some kind of impact” on his experience.

“I would never cross the Ducks off my list. I play football today because I was raised going to Duck games, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t have some kind of impact on me,” Manumaleuna said. “[Oregon defensive coordinator and linebackers coach] Tosh [Lupoi] reached out to my dad yesterday after the game, and I was able to talk with [Oregon director of recruiting and LDS member] JR Moala for a little bit, too. Those guys are like family, especially JR.

“Oregon has a great coaching staff and I appreciate them reaching out to check on us. That meant a lot.”

Manumaleuna received a scholarship offer from Oregon before he was in high school, according to the Journal. He is also considering BYU, Florida State, Miami, Washington State and Cal, among other schools, per ESPN’s Chris Low.

Oregon released a statement and an apology Sunday after a video surfaced online of the chants. The school did not mention whether there would be any type of punishment for those involved.

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

FWIW:  ESPN’s FPI has the Hoosiers dropping their final 9.

Win probability:

at Cincinnati:  12%

at Nebraska:  37%
vs Michigan:  8%
vs Maryland:  36%

at Rutgers:  34%
vs Penn State:  14%
at Ohio State:  2%

at Michigan State:  10%
vs Purdue:  25%

I am on record is saying the Hoosiers will win one more but I’m starting to second guess that as some of those numbers seem low based on what we saw these past three weeks.

I could honestly see a path to 5-6 wins.

 

Avg 21% chance to win at home......nice

23 minutes ago, temptation said:

FWIW:  ESPN’s FPI has the Hoosiers dropping their final 9.

Win probability:

at Cincinnati:  12%

at Nebraska:  37%
vs Michigan:  8%
vs Maryland:  36%

at Rutgers:  34%
vs Penn State:  14%
at Ohio State:  2%

at Michigan State:  10%
vs Purdue:  25%

I am on record is saying the Hoosiers will win one more but I’m starting to second guess that as some of those numbers seem low based on what we saw these past three weeks.

I could honestly see a path to 5-6 wins.

 

At Ohio State......

3 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

IU is also breaking in a brand new OC and system, with a brand new QB, a bunch of new/inexperienced wideouts, a brand new RB room, and have two starters out on an offensive line that is already bad to begin with. Offense has been out of sync at times but they've already shown an infinite higher ceiling than last year. Bazelak has missed some throws and I attribute that some to lack of repetition in an unfamiliar system. But he can drive the ball downfield and IU has 3-4 receivers plus a big body TE that have shown the ability to get separation from defenders. That was almost non-existent last year and it made matters worse when Penix went out as neither Tuttle or McCulley could accurately drive home the ball downfield. 

My biggest concern is the defense. We all knew McFadden would be a big loss but other than he, IU has a bunch of experienced 3-4 year starters back and added a couple impact transfers from legit P5 programs. Defense isn't getting it done consistently right now. Tom Allen isn't calling an aggressive scheme like he did 2-3 years ago and IU just isn't good enough in the secondary to contain with a 4 man pass rush. 

I will agree that the 3-0 start is pretty pedestrian but at the same time 3-0 is 3-0. With the way last year ended, dropping 1 or 2 of these early winnable games could have been catastrophic for the rest of season outlook. I think this game at Cincinnati in a pretty hostile environment will set the tone for the rest of the season. I'm beyond moral victories with Tom Allen at this juncture but this is a game that I don't see Indiana winning. If they play with their hair on fire in this game and make it interesting my outlook changes some for the rest of the year. Get blown out and there may not be many, if any, wins left on the schedule. 

Great analysis....pretty darn spot on in my opinion.....

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

When teams have similar talent (Purdue/Syracuse) one mistake can cost you the game obviously.

In the case of Penn State/Purdue, the Boilers can't overcome a talent disparity AND coaching malpractice.

 

Funny that IU is sitting at 3-0, but I would be hard pressed to find anyone who states they are clearly better than a 1-2 Purdue team.

I swear Purdue invents new ways to lose games.

No disagreements and I agree Penn State has much more talent.  But for a game 1, that game was there for the taking by Purdue and they blew it.  As FB16 stated, they were gifted a pick 6 and still lost it at the end.  

I am an IU guy, but let's be honest....Purdue has played a much stronger schedule so far.  IU was outplayed and came back late against Illinois.  IU was down 10-0 at half by a mediocre FCS team Idaho, and were outplayed and more than lucky to beat mid-major WKU in OT via a 51 yd FG.    The most unimpressive 3-0 I can remember.  Will be interesting to see what happens this weekend at Cincy.