77Jimmie

Thank God Jimtown does't have to play New Prairie any more.

I don't have an issue with it.

Mine will be delivered tomorrow.

Wow. Three 0-8 vs 0-8 teams play, and five 1-7 vs 0-8 games. Rather eye-opening.

Yeah. That sounds good but relying on Sagarin might not be the best option. What if 6 of the top 8 teams in a class were in the Northern part of the state? You think travel times are long now, thing semi-state travel in the first round of the sectionals. I like the idea of Clusters or Districts like Texas has, but there would need to be some good logistics determined well in advance to make it work.

They have it in Texas also. But they call them "Districts."

Well. My turn. I would be in for lengthening the season to 10 games, then qualify the top 32 teams in each class. Best of all worlds. Some of us remember the Cluster System, and the Points System before that. Both were perceived as flawed. The Cluster was only planned for a two year cycle because the All In was coming down the track. The problem people had with the Cluster System was that if you lost to a cluster team in the regular season, that could keep you out of the tournament. In my opinion, what a better way to put importance on regular season games. No taking it easy there. Now the Points System was another matter. We can thank South Bend St. Joe for the demise of that. They went undefeated like two years in a row and didn't make the playoffs because their opponents "points" didn't add up to enough for them to beat out some other teams in their "district.' The first year Jimtown made the tournament they wouldn't have went unless Wes-Del lost a game. If both teams went undefeated, Wed-Del would have acquired more points. First go-around for Indiana, and it wasn't the greatest, but it did create the tournament. Now. If this happens, this thread will morph from "Who is best playing who is second best in the first round," to "That's not fair how the qualifiers were chosen." We will have gone a full circle back to the early '70's. 🙂 Albeit with better technology so we will probably do a better job. But it won't be perfect. There will still be a lot of complaints, and that's what this forum is about. Discussion. Now. Pull out your wallets and become a BOOSTER! 🙂

Yep.

I have the utmost respect for our High School Officials. I've witnessed some pretty nasty behavior in the stands of games. Glad to see some Officials stand up to it. Inevitability is a challenge. Anything inevitable is usually predicted. The fight is to keep it from happening. It’s always on the horizon, just hanging there in plain sight, but it’s just ignored. No one thinks it’s going to happen in their lifetime. No one wants the responsibility of cleaning up the mess. So, what happens when the inevitable becomes reality? We are about to find out. Last week, the Eastern Panhandle Officials Association decided it had had enough. The group severed ties with the Tri-County Youth Football League (TCYFL) in West Virginia. The referee organization announced its decision in a release, pointing to “poor behavior” presented as “abuse, negativity and utter disrespect shown to our officials from parents, coaches and most recently our players.” The organization elected to stop working all the youth football games. That’s right. The zebras left the reservation. They literally took their ball and went home. After years of being the subjects of public ridicule, these referees finally hit the breaking point. Every breath they took. Every move they made. Every rule they enforced. Everyone was watching them … and complaining. It’s tough being right only half of the time, if you’re lucky. With this move, the officials said “you need us more than we need you.” And they are right. Now, the TCYFL is at a standstill. The league was entering the final stages of the regular season to qualify teams for their playoffs. And now every kid is sidelined. There are no title games. No championships. No trophies, to be earned or given for feel-good reasons. In essence, the entire season has become nothing more than an asterisk. And the reason is simple. These players are unable to utilize the skills they have learned on a playing field because of the behavior they were learning at home. That is a culture of “abuse, negativity and utter disrespect” that is prevalent at practically every game on every level these days, coming from “parents, coaches and most recently our players.” And here’s the news. These problems don’t stem from the referees. Local-level referees aren’t perfect. They will admit that. They try their best in very challenging situations and times, multiplied by a group of people in the stands who think they know better. The funny thing is if the critics are so knowledgeable, why aren’t they volunteering to take the field. It’s a lot easier sitting up in the stands, pointing out perceived infractions 100 feet away from the field. Refs have the worst seat in the house. They are in the middle of the action with many obscured views. Yet, they suffer the trickle-down wrath of a world controlled by instant replay. Referees choose to do this job because they have two attributes — passion and integrity. They love the game and still want to be involved for its betterment and they approach the game without playing favorites, no matter what some people think. You know what happens when you fight authority. Authority always wins. Parents and coaches in these youth contests continue to come up with new ways to amaze. They continue to live vicariously through the games their kids play. They fight and scream like every play is stealing food off the family table. They believe their kids are destined to be the next great high school and college players who will get to play in the NFL. They will tell you that. The problem escalates with coaches, who try to intimidate the referees instead of instructing their teams. Coaching staffs can be seen screaming on every play, trying to guilt officials into making the next call a favorable one. How long does it take before players — especially the young, impressionable ones — start believing all odds are stacked against them. Your parents and coaches can’t be wrong, can they? Now that’s building our children a foundation for a successful future. No one considers that games are still decided by the best team winning, at least on that day. It’s amazing what a little coaching, encouragement and confident words can do. You have to wonder how these adults would react if their kids came to their jobs and started yelling at their bosses and department heads. That might be embarrassing. Wonder how the kids feel? The TCYFL is working to repair the burnt bridges between the league and the officials. They realize that a good thing in the community was ruined by a selfish few. The process will probably consist of promises, new rules and a bit of groveling. “That’s definitely our goal,” said TCFYL commissioner Doug Arndt to the Martinsburg Journal. “It’s a shame but the message has been sent. We are not alone. It’s happening all over the country. “This is for the kids. Let the little guys play. We don’t need all this stuff in the stands and all this stuff on the sidelines.” That remains a work in progress. The world of sports has become increasingly combative and overly self-centered in recent years, especially off the field. About a year ago, this column presented the idea that the sport of football will disappear someday in the future. There were many reasons, like participation and health, but one notion was the game will end when there are no longer any referees to officiate games. This idea was very hypothetical, but this instance could be the first sign of football’s apocalypse. Is that the next inevitability on the horizon? Only time will tell. https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/opinion/parasiliti-refs-decide-to-take-ball-go-home/article_c686a87a-e32a-11e9-aef9-5b326693c162.html?fbclid=IwAR3K4roHmMqKvPtrQK9DuW5dDvhf-vgD8VIXiAS4-EoxYL-8Ksk36ChwYBQ

Only the good crews. 🙂

The school? Or the football team?

You'd be surprised where I lurk. 🙂

Muda. I can't really answer that question. I make judgement calls the best I can. If I feel a thread is going too far, I will take action. Other than that. Have fun. Sorry I can't give you a more defined answer. Somethings I just decide based on the current circumstances which change by the hour.

But I don't have a problem explaining my reasoning. I may not be right. But I try to do the best I can.

Thank you DT. This thread was not hidden because of the person who is the focus. I do not know that person. It's just the direction of the whole situation that concerns me. This is my concern. Yeah. If everyone wants to donate to a legal fund, or an insurance policy, I will leave these threads open. Other than that, it's not going to be my money that is at risk.

Because I decided that the discussion might leave the administrators open to possible lawsuit. I might be a little over-reactive, but I for one don't want to have to hire legal counsel to defend discussions on a football website. Not being a lawyer, I might be wrong. But I would rather be safe than sorry with so much other there is to discuss. Who knows what someone would/could look for as a target of their frustration. I don't want to open myself up to being that target. Sorry for your disappointment Muda.

Look what I have. AND..... The first issue and this year's issue. (Compliments Paul Condry)

Muda. I respect your opinion.

To answer your question: "No." A standalone human egg, and a standalone human sperm should not be defined as human life. (Even though the sperm moves at a more intellectual pattern than a microbe or an amoeba, which IS considered life. Finding a microbe on Mars would have the scientific community singing from the rafters that life had been found on another planet.) But that is really not the question we were discussing. You stated that a mosquito is life because is has a heartbeat. And I stated that a mosquito was not created from a human egg and a human sperm. Thus my answer that a human egg and a human sperm create a human. I guess I should have explained it better because you are not obviously getting it. The lump of cells in a woman's uterus was created by the combination of a human egg and a human sperm. It is not, nor will ever be a mosquito. Thus, if a lump of cells were found on Mars, NASA, and about every other scientist on the planet, would say there is life on Mars. Even taking into account your 5-6 week not true heartbeat statement. You can't have it both ways. It's either life, or it's not. If it's life on another planet, it's life in a woman's uterus.

How the heck do you get that? I specifically state "yes." Are you just reading what you want?

When they create a heartbeat. Yes.

A human egg and a human sperm do not create a mosquito. That we can agree on.

Muda. If NASA would find something with that same old lump of cells on Mars, would they consider that there is life on Mars?

Muda. You are correct that instead of offering a tax decrease, they kept the tax rate the same. But to label it as dishonest is disingenuous on your part. Tax payers understand the tax rate they are paying. They should be satisfied as long as it doesn't increase. And the property tax rate of only the school portion is effected. Not the entire property tax rate. With the number of school districts that are needing to fund their General Fund, not Capital Projects, with referendums we should all be praising schools like Center Grove that are fiscally astute enough to be able to provide high quality facilities without increasing taxes.

Bob. The pay stinking is a given. But the pay has stunk for years. I doubt it is the reason that so many young people are not choosing the officiating route.