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I imagine HSE is good enough to beat Homestead with their backup QB. I have them as a 28-35 point favorite healthy. I say they still win the game by 10-14. Lol, good grief. I think you're just f***ing with me on purpose now.

With their staring QB in, and Carroll's best offensive weapon out, HSE won at home by 7. Subtract HSE's QB, add Carroll's best player, and you still have HSE as potentially a 3 point favorite? Let's just say Carroll by three. Any chance of that at all?

Good stuff. It's one thing to think in your hear that Fishers is better than Carroll. All I'm saying, is that if you were on a committee, there's no way to justify giving them a higher seed. See my new thread in Next Level.

I'll start off with a couple of thoughts: IU: Not sure how they won't be #1 in the first poll. This will piss Ohio State fans off. But how does a committee member look at both team's body of work and put the Buckeyes over the Hoosiers? Ohio State state has a good win over Texas by 7 points at home. IU beats Oregon on the road by 10. Ohio State beats Illinois by 18. IU beats Illinois by 53. IU has two victories over conference opponents by 50+ points. That hasn't been done since Clemson did it in 2018ish. Cut and dry: IU should be #1. ND: Lots of whining and crying out of the SEC stating that a two loss ND team shouldn't jump a two loss SEC team. Using transitive property, ND manhandled Arkansas, whereas the Razorback's SEC counterparts are barely beating them in one score games..............including A&M. The Irish are easily one of the top 12 teams in the country.

I didn't take it as homophobia. Just took it as funny.

Lol, gotcha.

I saw that, but looking at your last picks, I didn't think you were being serious.

It's a rough world out there. Every university thinks they are entitled to a Curt Cignetti. Oh well, I guess it's just IU's turn to dominate the sport. They'll be a household name and the benchmark to follow in a few short years. Every coach in the nation knows they are on thin ice because of what this guy has done.

I too was surprised at how easily West Noble dispatched Concordia, thinking maybe the Cadet's schedule would have prepared them better. Maybe after the season Concordia had, the kids just pretty much threw up the white flag. Who knows, all speculation. We know they have a pretty good coach though. No matter how good your quarterback is, you still have to be able to coach to get that blue ring. I just think the fight for talent in Fort Wayne is pretty fierce, and Concordia is at the bottom of the list. I will say this though, Concordia is a great school to send your kids, and I'd argue the best in Northeast Indiana. That's where my kid would go, good football player or otherwise.

Well, that's good to know. It's not like I didn't research this. Wondering what everyone knows that I don't.

You're not alone. Starting to think I'm the idiot.

Looks like I'm the only one picking Arsenal Tech...........sink or swim.

Well, there's been a lot of talk lately, at all levels, that a coach is only as good as his quarterback. When Concordia won state that year, they had this kid named Peter Morrison. Head coach was Tim Mannigel. He had some solid teams, took a one year break in 2021 before coming back. They were pretty bad in 2021, and Mannigel just hasn't been able to get them back to where he had them. Reason? No idea. But it does seem like the better athletes in Fort Wayne are bouncing around from team to team. North Side and Northrop seem to winning the recruiting wars as of late. No one really says "I want to send my kid to Concordia" to play football. They say that about Snider, Luers, Dwenger, Carroll, and Homestead. Suddenly Northrop is getting their lions share of athletes, took two from Luers this past season. It's a free for all.

It's not just you. It's the overall vibe from the Indy posters. I guess if I'm being fair, I should keep better tabs. Maybe I'm being unfair to the masses in Central Indiana. Crown Point lost their top RB and QB from last year, that's fair. What if I told you Carroll played HSE this year without their best offensive player, would that count for anything?

You're the reason I donate. You make me laugh.

2006? Really? You don't have to do the Lou Holtz thing. Luers will win this game half asleep.

Carroll at Elkhart - Although not a bad team, I thought Travon Curry's team would be a little stronger than what they are in his second season. They're not ready for NE Indiana's marquee program. Carroll wins 38-14 Snider at Northrop - Give a program like Snider two weeks to prepare, and they are sure to close the 21 point gap that separated these two a few weeks back. In the end, the Bruins just have more talent than Snider. Northrop wins 28-17. HSE at Homestead - This is really just a tune-up game for HSE. It's not a matter of if, but by how much. Homestead just flat out struggles against Indy's better teams. HSE wins this one 35-7. North Side at Goshen - Speaking of tune-ups, if North is on top of their game, this should be a blowout. Lets say North 39-14. South Side at East Noble - South Side is showing improvement under Andre Goodwell, but this team isn't anywhere read for what they are going to face in Kendallville on Friday...............I'm feeling like East Noble takes this one 42-13. Columbia City at Dwenger - The Eagles look good against the bad teams and bad against the good teams. Friday night will be bad for Columbia City. This one screams Dwenger 35-0. Norwell at Luers - This won't be much of a game, not much else to say. Luers 35-7

Carroll at Elkhart Snider at Northrop Hamilton Eastern at Homestead North Side at Goshen South Side at East Noble Columbia City at Dwenger Norwell at Luers

@temptation 6A: Arsenal Tech 244 5A: Munster 177 4A: Bedford N. Lawrence 110 3A: Mishawaka Marian 174 2A: Switzerland County 205 1A: Milan 186

I can live with that. See @FastpacedO, you're pretty much alone there. Two blowout losses my man. No way, no how Fishers gets a two seed. Using transitive property (Pike), Crown Points fits in nicely with the Indy teams. A two touchdown win over Merrillville isn't exactly bad. This seeding conversation is over.

Were you or were you not referring to brackets? No, you can keep your Suburban Indy teams, the North doesn't want them.

At least I'm seeing some reason here. You can have you're opinion all you want, both you and @Rodney on the outcomes. But I rest my case in seeding CP over Fishers.

Nah, I think Snider is one of those teams that elevate themselves in perfect playing conditions. I'm not just picking on Warren Central and Ben Davis.

I don't think your zip code comment has anything to do with it. Back when Penn was winning state titles, there were really only three teams in Indy that were any good, which happened to be the three largest schools in the state. Bloomington South had two, Castle had one, Penn had their fair share, Snider had one (could have been more minus some misfortunes.) The 80's were pretty much owned by the Indy "massive enrollment" three, although Snider was right there but had some unfortunate injuries that may have cost them in '81 and without a doubt in '86. The 90's were anyone's for the taking. The 2000's started the explosion of the burbs and the birth of Center Grove and the HCC. You can't discredit Penn's succuss, because ultimately, they beat Indy's best to earn the blue ring. You're really downplaying your own with that comment. Hamilton Southeastern, Carmel, Westfield, and Fishers just happen to play in the North. Which seven teams from the south do you have beating those four.......plus Crown Point, Penn, and Carroll?

Absolutely no one in there right mind, outside of someone who's from Indy (and Rodney cause he likes to screw with the region guys) and are biased, would seed a two blowout loss Fishers team over Crown Point. I'm insulted that I'm even having this conversation. Transitive property only works if it makes a team from Indy look good. That's seems to be the trend in 2025. At the end of the day, I'm reasonable. We'll never know what Carroll would do against Westfield this season because the game isn't going to happen. We can speculate all we want.............waste time, waste breath. I happen to think Carroll has a good football team this year and you Indy guys seem offended by that? Why? I know politicians always considered Fort Wayne a threat to Indy's hierarchy, doesn't seem to be any different among high school football fans. My advice is to relax and keep calm, Fort Wayne won't overtake Indy football any time in the foreseeable future. So why not just look at things objectively in the meantime?