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FREE OFFICIATING CLINIC: Big 10 Championship
Bobref replied to Coach Nowlin's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Coaches, publicize this to your seniors who have played their last football games. A great way to stay connected to the game. -
High School Playoff Games this weekend
Bobref replied to whiteshoes's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
The Div. 2 championship game featured two one-loss teams … both of whom lost only to St. Edward this year. -
High School Playoff Games this weekend
Bobref replied to whiteshoes's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
No love for the Eagles? Division I – Friday, 7:30 p.m. No. 1 Lakewood St. Edward (14-1) vs. No. 4 Springfield (13-1) -
The IHSAA “claims a monopoly” on broadcast rights in the same way you claim a monopoly on the sale of your home. You are entitled to the “monopoly” because you are the exclusive owner of the product. It’s the IHSAA’s tournament. They take the risk, they’re entitled to a reasonable return on their investment.
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I’m happy to pass along suggestions about rules or officiating-related topics. But on something like this, my opinion carries no more weight than that of any other fan. I try to stay in my lane.
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Thanksgiving Weekend National Scoreboard
Bobref replied to whiteshoes's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Calpreps has the Eagles as a 4 pt. favorite, with a 60% chance of winning, FWIW. -
State Finals Attendance
Bobref replied to ASJCPUMA's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Sort of goes against the notion that it’s all about the $$, doesn’t it? -
State Finals Attendance
Bobref replied to ASJCPUMA's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Cue @Lysanderas to why that could never happen. -
State Finals Attendance
Bobref replied to ASJCPUMA's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Strictly my personal opinion, but I don’t find it useful to compare costs like that…because the experiences are not comparable. Two totally different animals. For me, the question is which do I like better, and is it worth the cost, including the investment of my time. -
Sunglasses are legal. This is a safety rule. In the event of a head injury, medical personnel need to see the kid’s eyes, while stabilizing his neck. Sunglasses can be removed. A tinted visor must be detached from the helmet, more difficult to do while stabilizing the neck.
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Correct. Doesn’t matter if you have a letter personally signed by the Surgeon General. No tint in visors. The rule specifically states that any eye shield attached to the helmet must be “Clear without the presence of any tint.”
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It’s early in the morning, but I can’t find a path to donate. Is there a link somewhere?
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State Finals Attendance
Bobref replied to ASJCPUMA's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I’d like to see the line items on the “anal budget” first.😉 -
It was noticeable, and it is not the preferred way of doing it. Generally speaking, high school officials have to use a field microphone maybe once a season. Most don’t run into it at all. So, they are not entirely comfortable with the process. The preferred announcement would be: “Prior to the snap, false start on the offense. 5 yd. penalty. Still first down.”
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Post your observations here about the Finals experience. What was good, and bad? Suggestions for the future. What went right and what went wrong. What could be added to the weekend next year? I saw all 6 games. My takeaway was that the officiating was very good. Some games better than others. No one worked a perfect game. But unless I missed something, there were no significant controversies, and officiating had no bearing on the outcome of any game. Now I can uncross my fingers … until next year.
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3A: Bishop Chatard vs Lawrenceburg
Bobref replied to temptation's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I have great admiration for the Chatard program. Seen them numerous times over the years, a few of them up close and personal. Never seen them give anything but an all out effort. Always well coached. Consistently punch above their weight. Take on all comers. And their “standard” is nothing less than excellence. Congratulations to them! -
No one has been a bigger and more consistent critic of the coaches’ vote process, and its lack of useful information that officials can use to get better, than I have, even though my crew was very successful under the system. Whether you wait 7 minutes or 7 weeks to get your results, they tell you nothing useful. I’m more empathetic to your situation than you know.
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Yes, the flag was for defensive pass interference. The back judge did not know the ball was tipped and he threw the flag for early contact. After communication from the official who saw the pass tipped, they waved off the DPI. This was a very well officiated play. You’re correct. You can still have a personal foul when the pass is touched.
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Personal Foul vs. Unsportsmanlike Conduct: What’s the Difference?
Bobref posted a question in Officiating Forum
In several different threads, as well as in conversations, the terms “personal foul” and “unsportsmanlike conduct” are sometimes confused, or even used interchangeably. A lot of people may say that’s not a big deal, both are 15 yd. penalties, so it doesn’t really matter what you call it. I beg to differ. Since there can be significant differences in both enforcement and disciplinary consequences between the two fouls, it is really important to get the right foul called. Personal fouls are contact fouls. They must involve one of 3 types of forcible contact: excessive (e.g., body slamming a runner who has clearly been stopped), unnecessary (e.g., the cheap block 20 yds. behind the play), or a type of contact illegal by rule (e.g., grabbing the facemask, horse collar). Personal foul penalties can be enforced from the previous spot, the succeeding spot, the end of the run, or the spot of the foul, depending on who committed the foul, where and when it was committed, status of the ball, and other factors. Unlike basketball, you don’t “foul out” of a football game because you’ve accumulated a certain number of personal fouls. Disqualification occurs only if a personal foul is deemed “flagrant,” i.e., “a foul so severe or extreme that it places an opponent in danger of serious injury…” All personal fouls are signaled using Signal 38. If the foul occurred while the ball was dead, Signal 38 is preceded by Signal 7. If the personal foul involved a prohibited type of contact, the signal sequence ends with the signal for the particular type of prohibited contact, e.g., Signal 25 (horse collar), Signal 26 (blindside block). Unsportsmanlike conduct is a non contact foul. It covers a multitude of sins, from taunting, to excessive celebrations, to bad behavior toward the officials. Regardless of when, where, or by whom a USC foul is committed, it is enforced like a dead ball foul, i.e., enforcement is from the succeeding spot. Any player or non-player who accumulates two USC fouls is automatically disqualified. If it’s a coach, he must leave the playing area and have no contact with the team for the remainder of the contest. The IHSAA also enforces a 1 week suspension of anyone so disqualified. The officials are required to turn in a written report to the IHSAA of any incident in which a player is disqualified or a member of the coaching staff, administration, etc., is assessed a USC foul. Because all USC fouls are penalized as dead ball fouls, it is not necessary to precede the unsportsmanlike conduct signal (Signal 27) with the dead ball signal (Signal 7). I’ve included a link to the NF Football Signals Guide. https://www.nfhs.org/media/4016213/2022-nfhs-official-football-signals-final-3-9-22.pdf-
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It was not an unsportsmanlike foul. It was a personal foul for targeting, helmet to helmet contact against a defenseless player. By rule, a defenseless player is one “who, because of his physical position and focus of concentration, is especially vulnerable to injury.” The pass receiver here qualifies. The onus is on the player initiating contact with a defenseless player to avoid illegal contact. “Targeting is an act by any player who takes aim and initiates contact against an opponent above the shoulders with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulders.” So, this would have been a foul even if the receiver had caught the ball.
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National Top 100 - November 22
Bobref replied to whiteshoes's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Eagles b*tch slap Gahanna Lincoln, 31-7. They will play Springfield — upset winner over Moeller — for the Div. 1 title next week. Ironically, I attended and played for St. Edward, but I was born in Springfield. Small world.
