Bobref

You’re half right. Your answer is correct for scenario b), since the foul on the coach there is unsportsmanlike conduct. The live ball fouls offset and the down is replayed. But the 15 yd. penalty is enforced. In a), however, inadvertent contact with an official in the restricted area is a live ball personal foul. So, it too is offset, and not enforced. However, the effect of the foul remains, which is that if there is another foul on B involving contact in the restricted area, the head coach is disqualified.

No takers on this one?

Assuming the holding foul took place during the kick, here’s how the penalty is enforced: This is a foul by the offense during a loose ball play. Basic spot for enforcement is the previous spot. The receiving team can decline the penalty and take the ball where it became dead (you’ll see why they would never do that in a second), or they can enforce 10 yds. back from the spot of the snap, and replay the down. … Or they can elect to have the 10 yd. penalty assessed from the dead ball spot, and have the ball 1st and 10 there. May I ask which game this was?

The problem isn’t Facebook. The problem is the officials who let it happen. If everyone applied the rule correctly, it would go away. The only reason we see it is because it works … sometimes. It’s like the 4th down and 6 quick shift in punt formation drawing the defense into encroaching. It’s actually a foul on the kicking team. But sometimes crews let it go, and that just encourages coaches to keep trying it.

Too many.

Investigation continues.

No problem. Just trying to educate the general public. I don’t believe hurdling is an NCAA foul anyway.

This situation has been discussed in general terms. There’s nothing specific in the rule book governing this. I have heard of one situation where a kid was running for a long TD, and they started the light show well before he got in the end zone … and were flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. The IHSAA approved that ruling.

I can’t believe what I’m seeing.

You can’t judge definitively from a still photo, but this photo does not show a hurdling foul. “Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.”

The following is a comment in the NFHS Football Casebook concerning a similar trick play: “COMMENT: Football has been and always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusual formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to confuse the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn't imminent is beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal.”

Check that. MaxPreps has East Central winning 43-14, while Harrell’s site reports Moeller winning by the same score. Which is it?

The mighty Eagles beat 3 time Colorado defending champ Cherry Creek, 13-9, to go to 3-0. And we may have to re-think opinions of both Moeller and East Central, who absolutely took Moeller to the woodshed.

The NF code does not contain a “match up” substitution rule like NCAA. Teams are on their own with respect to timeliness of substitutions.

I wasn’t there, so I have no opinion on the play. But I would caution everyone against forming an opinion based on a single still photograph.

We have a saying: “If it’s going to look ugly either way, you might as well get it right.” Having said that, there is no provision in the rule book that permits throwing the flag for a live ball foul retroactively, after the ball has subsequently been made ready for play. By the way, I lived through almost exactly the scenario you described, except it was for the winning score in OT, and it was a “covered” tight end who caught the TD. We swallowed hard, apologized, and lived with it. To this day, there is a Hall of Fame coach who left NWI for Warren Central and then Avon, who reminds me of that play every time I see him. It happened in 1987.

The rule, as written, was always only applicable after halftime. However, an exception was made for a couple of years due to the effect of the pandemic on roster sizes, etc. No more exceptions now. Second half only.

That is in error.

Hobart pulls away in the second half to defeat Griffith 35-0 at the Brickyard.

Like the poor, I am always with you.

Did your wing official come up and report that the pass didn’t make the NZ? 😂🤣

Any of the illegal forward pass fouls carry a loss of down provision, as does illegal forward handing of the ball, and illegal touching.

Your spot is “spot on!” 🤣

a) and b) are correct, but c) needs some work. You were using A and B and then switched to Brown and Adam, and you may have referred to Team B when you meant A. Try again, because I can envision a very interesting scenario.

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