Bobref

That’s why these plays won’t die. Occasionally you slip one by.

That’s why these plays won’t die. Occasionally you slip one by.

It’s 4th down, so numbering exceptions are in effect. I think you mean an illegal shift. They look set to me. Agree that this looks like the A11 … except that it’s 4th down. The A11 was intended to be an every down offense, which resulted in a rule change.

Look, the best I can do without a visual is tell you what the rule says. Was the play “clearly intended” to cause the defense to jump? Does it “simulate action at the snap?” If it does either of these things, it’s a foul. Is there any way to give a black letter hard line answer to a hypothetical? No. If this is heading in the direction of trying to remove officiating judgment from the equation, just give up now. The rule is written to not just allow such judgment, but to require it.

You mean in all your years of coaching you don’t know how to embed a video clip? Or are you just using that as a way to get an abstract answer you might be able to twist around to use later? What I’m saying is you have to read “intent” in order to call the foul, and you can’t do that in the abstract. Show me a video clip and I’ll be happy to give you my opinion. Please keep in mind that another type of false start is action which simulates the start of the play. Again, got to see it.

No, depending on the circumstances. It’s not really something you can evaluate without seeing it.

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Lakewood, Ohio. We leave Cleveland to the Iggies.😆

One that you still see from time to time is the quick shift from punt formation on 4th and 5 or less, attempting to cause the defense to encroach. The thing some coaches don’t know is that one of the definitions of a false start is “an act clearly intended to cause B to encroach.” Once had a coach in a semistate game explain this play to me, and after he got done I told him it was a false start. He told me they had done it 4 times that season, every one successful. I congratulated him, but told him it wouldn’t work tonight. You know, he tried it anyway! We called a false start. They won the game, and the next week in the state finals he went through the same thing with their crew. They also told him it was a foul. And again, he did it anyway, and they called him on it. SMH.

A gift from the Dalai Lama. Big hitter, the Lama.

I can pretty much guarantee they won’t. 😂

Legal play.

6 on the line is a legal formation, so long as you have 5 players numbered 50-79 on the line (assuming none of the numbering exceptions apply).

The Victory Formation protocol only applies if the offense is ahead by 9 or more points.

As a Referee, field goal attempts were the scariest things for me, for all those reasons. Plus, I knew if there was a block, I was responsible for the kicker’s goal line. Only thing scarier was an interception runback.

Do you have a link to the stream?

It would not matter … so long as it was complete.

I love gimmicks and gadgetry on the field, in large part because such plays often present a real challenge to the officiating crew. So, let’s collect and discuss trick plays here. One of my favorites illustrates a difference between NCAA and high school rules. In this play, the holder’s knee never comes off the ground. Under the NF code, that would make the ball dead as soon as he passes it.

So, you’ve got an official who says the kickoff was out of bounds, and you saying it wasn’t. I don’t know where to go from there.

I don’t have a clear picture of what happened from your description. If the flag was thrown, but the kick didn’t go out of bounds, what was the penalty?

The key is that R’s live ball foul (invalid fair catch signal) is a post scrimmage kick foul. So, we first go to team R and tell them they can keep the ball, but only if they decline K’s holding penalty. If they don’t, the live ball fouls offset and the dead ball foul against R is enforced, giving K a first down. So, since R will decline the holding penalty, K accepts the 5 yd. penalty for invalid fair catch, and the 5 yd. dead ball foul for delay is also enforced. So, it’s R’s ball, 1st & 10, 10 yds. behind the spot where the ball was declared dead.

The delay of game occurred when R6 ran with the ball after it was dead. Sorry, thanks for playing.😂

So sorry.

Post your questions and observations here, and we’ll see if we can sort it out. I’ll start with one we had in our game last night. 4th & 4 and Team K is punting. While the kick is in flight, there”s a flag on K8 for holding. Meanwhile, R6 sort of waves his hand in front of him, and the back judge has a flag for an invalid fair catch signal. R6 catches the kick, the back judge blows the whistle, but R6 takes off running anyway. The back judge has another flag for delay of game. Options? Enforcement?

Chesterton scores again. Try fails. 20-0. 0:14.8 in the 1st.