Bobref

The moderators on this site do not operate that way. The consistent message to you has been you are welcome to spew your political point of view all over the place ... so long as you do it on the OOB Forum. That’s what it’s for. Stop cluttering football threads with your right wing proselytizing. It’s rude to inflict that on people who just want to discuss football. Or do manners have no place in your version of conservatism? I assume by your comment about donations that you’re a freeloader. Figures.

And, in another twist: https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/09/attorney-general-brief-supports-archdiocese-lawsuit/5749813002/ Three amicus briefs were filed Tuesday with the Indiana Supreme Court, asking for the dismissal of a lawsuit brought against the Archdiocese of Indianapolis by a Cathedral High School teacher who was fired over his same-sex marriage. These briefs — filed by Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill, the U.S. Department of Justice and a group of three law faculty from private religious universities — argue that the Constitutional rights of the church should prevent Joshua Payne-Elliot from being able to sue over for his dismissal from Cathedral, a Catholic high school. “The suit should have been dismissed immediately under the First Amendment’s longstanding protections for church autonomy,” Hill said in his brief. Last year, the archdiocese threatened to cut ties with Cathedral and Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory School where Payne-Elliott and his husband respectively worked if the two remained employed at the schools. Brebeuf decided to split with the archdiocese, but Cathedral fired Payne-Elliott. Payne-Elliott filed the lawsuit against the archdiocese in July 2019. A month later the archdiocese filed its own court documents arguing for the lawsuit to be dismissed on grounds that as a religious institution it should not be subjected to secular court interference. Youth coach quits, citing Archdiocese's transgender student policy How SCOTUS ruling could affect cases of educators fired from Roncalli Lutheran athletic trainer, coach says she was fired for being gay Indianapolis Archdiocese cites First Amendment in lawsuit However, Marion Superior Court Judge Stephen R. Heimann allowed the lawsuit to move forward, questioning whether the church is the “highest ecclesiastical authority” that can determine how Cathedral must handle employment dealings. Hill's brief criticized Heimann for his ruling, saying the judge allowed his personal opinions on the archdiocese to influence his decision. “The trial judge’s actions here improperly interjected judicial power into ecclesiastical matters, and this court should dismiss the case before the judiciary suffers further loss of esteem," Hill said. All three briefs wrote in support of the church's argument that, under the church-autonomy doctrine, the courts should not interfere with religious law. The professors wrote that the case attempted to add secular input to what they said should be religious decisions, such as the archdiocese's power to decide the standards for a Catholic high school. "There is no putting the genie back in the bottle after the courts have become excessively entangled in a religious controversy because they erred in failing to dismiss the case because of the church-autonomy doctrine," the professors' brief said. The professors work at Notre Dame, Brigham Young University and Pepperdine. The Department of Justice wrote that Payne-Elliot's lawsuit "attempts to penalize the Archbishop" for finding that a school's employment of someone in a same-sex marriage cannot align with Catholic teachings. “There is no more fundamental constitutional principle on the proper relationship between church and state than that the government must leave religious decisions to religious organizations,” U.S. Attorney Josh Minkler for the Southern District of Indiana said in a press release. Payne-Elliott’s lawyer, Kathleen DeLaney, said Tuesday the briefs were filed well past their Aug. 17 deadline, which was one of the reasons she and her client planned to ask the state Supreme Court to refuse to consider them. She said she was unsurprised by the Department of Justice brief because the organization had intervened in the case last fall when it was in the Marion Superior Court. Hill's brief, however, seems to DeLaney to go against his statutory duty as Attorney General to represent state officials. "The judge has handled the case impartially without bias,” DeLaney said. “He has lived up to his duty as a judge. In my opinion, this is character assassination because the people on the other side of this case don’t like the way it’s going for them.” DeLaney said the church is also using emergency filings in an attempt to bypass the normal trial process and bring the case straight to the Indiana Supreme Court. “If it really were an emergency, it was an emergency a year ago," DeLaney said. "And calling it an emergency now after they lost key rulings rings hollow.” In addition, DeLaney said the archdiocese’s demands were interfering with the relationship between Payne-Elliott and his employer, as Cathedral renewed his contract three times while knowing about his relationship. “Not every Catholic school, or member of the Catholic faith, for that matter," DeLaney said, "thinks that gay teachers shouldn’t be allowed in their schools.” DeLaney expects more legal briefs to be filed in the case this week. The deadline to respond to briefs is Monday.

I believe Northrop’s colors are brown and orange.

When a guy is consistently told there is an appropriate place for his politically-motivated rants in the OOB, but persists in polluting threads in the High School Forum , what does that tell you?

How about your fax machine and Palm Pilot? 😂

I’m sure the folks at MC would much rather be playing. Still, this works out conveniently for them.

Again, feel free to express yourself. Just take it to the OOB.

Take it to the OOB.

There are a couple of things that are non-standard, mostly revolving around the line judge’s responsibilities. And some personal preference issues. First, I hate the R running the ball to the wing official’s FP spot. That’s U’s job. Next, I hate R going over and beanbagging the 90 degree spot for the H to use when he gets the chains out there. The 1960s called, and they want their mechanics back. That’s a holdover from when we were doing varsity games using 4 officials. The L should be there holding that spot. B then holds the ball at the FP spot while U takes the front stake and they measure. It was probably unavoidable here, due to the closeness of the measurement. But you don’t want everyone bunching up around the ball like that, because then the coaches on the sidelines can’t see the measurement. B needs to make sure he’s on the offensive side, behind the ball when he holds it, for the same reason. Not to block sight lines.

I have a few personal preferences that are different than the way they went about it. But this is not a bad mechanic. The wing official at the bottom of the screen has the forward progress spot. He comes in hard, as far as he can without moving off the line. He’s taught to come in as far as the first body, and stop. But he can’t come in as far as the ball. The R correctly brings him the ball, rather than tossing it to him, and they spot it at his forward progress spot. They measure it from there. It would be nice if they could just freeze the ball and measure it there, but that is the wing officials’ forward progress spot, and that’s where they will measure it.

I also thought I’d never see Penn and Carmel both get mercy-ruled on the same night.

Penn gets mercy-ruled at Freed Field. Never thought I’d see the day.

Merrillville 35. Crown Point 0. End of 3rd period ... and a running clock.

Merrillville 21 - Crown Point 0. Halftime

Through the first 2 weeks of the season, we seemed to have avoided major controversy. That’s nice, but it can’t last forever. Maybe this will be the week when “fans” return to normal ... and officiating controversies will follow, like night follows day. Post issues that arise in Week 3 games here. Keep the bit*hing to a minimum and give some specificity with your observations, so they can provide the grist for our discussion mill. Good luck to the third team on the field this weekend! GTBO!

I gotta find out which crew has that game and get the IHSAA to assign me to observe them!

That’s sort of what it was like for Bishop Noll when Andrean became ascendant. Is enrollment holding steady?

Has St. Joe started the “Bishop Noll” slide? Or is this an aberration?

I didn’t see any “shaky” decisions, early or any other time. There were a couple of judgment calls that could have gone either way, but those exist in every game. I thought the crew was solid. I especially like the no call on potential DPI when the WR and the DB tangled feet. That is a scenario that is not well understood by many coaches and officials (and almost all fans), and the pressure to throw the flag in that situation can be enormous. I don’t spend any time on Yappi, but are the Ohio folks complaining about the officiating? Seems every time one of our teams loses a close game in Ohio, there’s always a ridiculous outcry about getting “homered.”

Wait until the flu season starts in a couple of months. A real sh*t show in the making. By the way, I’m sure your HR person would counsel you not to refer to her as a “gal.” 😉

That’s the general idea.

Sports listed as “co-Ed” do not have both boys and girls teams. Baseball has softball. Both play soccer.

You”re both sort of right. I went to St. Ed’s my 1st 3 yrs. of high school. Then my family moved to Indiana and I finished my senior year at Munster.

I certainly understand with a new commissioner, and everything going on right now, if the IHSAA wants to defer putting anything more on their plates at this particular time.