BTF

3 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I didn’t think it would land as a firing until his post game conference and then learning about his threat toward the Maryland head coach the previous year. I believe he’s very fortunate and hope he learns and grows from this horrible event. He needs to get his emotions under control. 

Michigan seems to be stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. 

6 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

While not football, it is still appropriate given the topics of sportsmanship, coaching and leadership.  Its been surprisingly quiet on this forum and couldn't help from wondering why.

Was the punishment handed down by The Big 10/University of Michigan appropriate in the Juwan Howard case?  5 games suspension without pay (remainder of the regular season) and a $40K fine.  3 players suspended for 1 game.  

Hearing some advocating the ceasing of the handshake line at the games end.  (I have to admit...I align with Tom Izzo's stance)

Thoughts??  

I honestly thought he would be fired. What university wants a coach representing them who strikes another coach in the face? 

2 hours ago, SAC_Insider said:

Lawrence North is playing North side in 2023 week 2 

Thanks for the update. North Side might need Dale Doerffler back on the sidelines for that one. 

6 hours ago, SAC_Insider said:

Chesterton and Northrop are working on a deal from what I have heard....but it may have to wait for  2024. Rumor is that Northrop may play Wayne as Nonconference game in week 2 for 2023 then play the Chesterton the following year but Chesterton is trying to get out of a contract they have with a school from Illinois.

That was what Northrop's Ad said in conversation  

Sounds like a good matchup if it comes to fruition. I also like the Northrop/Wayne matchup. If both schools are struggling to find an opponent, then why not. Both teams are pretty good, their record just doesn't always reflect it since they play in the SAC. I hope out of conference opponents take a serious look at both Northrop and Wayne. They'll be pleasantly surprised at how good they are. I'm not talking MIC and HCC, but any other school not named Merrillville, Valpo, or Penn, should be on the table. 

45 minutes ago, temptation said:

Still hilarious and bad optics.  They cut bait with all 2022 spring sports effective immediately.  Why is football different?

I'm guessing Carmel and Center Grove dominate the country club sports in the MIC?

10 hours ago, Indiana Fan said:

They weren’t better. They lost. Move on.

I was having a conversation with a Dwenger alumni, feel free to 'c' your way out of it. 

3 hours ago, HHF said:

Are you ever going to get past this?

No. Wins against Indy are few and far between anymore. It stings worse when your better and still lose. 

33 minutes ago, Mebuck said:

Don't forget Dwenger is a 4A and Zionsville should be a 6A school. 

But they play like a high level 5a program. So the expectation is that rumble with the best teams up north and most Indy teams.  It really is a shame that neither the 2019 team or the 2020 team made it down to Lucas. Normally a team of that caliber makes it to the state game. No shame losing to that Valpo team though, they were darn good. Still scratching my head as to how they lost to Zionsville in 2020 though. 

4 hours ago, psaboy said:

It was a bit on the sarcasm side. The area has changed for sure, but definitely not a "white flight" area for sure. Can I still say that??

Lol. Yeah, you can say that. It's definitely more blue collar than it was 30 years ago. Many white collar families in the area send their kids to Bishop Dwenger, Concordia, and Blackhawk Christian. 

And for anyone wondering, the money comment about the Snider district is mainly due to the amount of homes in St. Joe Township. Per capita income certainly isn't what it is in the outlaying districts. 

Back in the 80's, I imagine that Snider was probably in the top half of 5a in enrollment. But as other communities grew, Snider's enrollment shrunk. So they were probably in the bottom half sometime in the late 90's, and certainly toward the bottom their last ten years in the big school division. Free lunch rate was probably in the teens in the 80's and slowly crept up to where we are now in the 40's. That being said, Snider is where they belong at the 5a level, but will gladly compete with the 6a big boys with any opportunity they get. They'll be good in 2022, but whether they are 'Snider of old' good remains to be seen. 

2 hours ago, psaboy said:

Yep, the State Street and Maplecrest corridor has definitely turned into a ghetto. Way different from I was running those streets in the 70's & early 80's. 

Maybe you were just being sarcastic, but the term ghetto is a disservice to those who still live in the Snider district. Not everyone needs to live in the Homestead, Carroll, and Leo districts to validate their status in life. 

Fun fact: There's more money in St. Joe Township (Snider) than Perry (Carroll) and Aboite (Homestead) even though Aboite is home to the wealthiest zip code in the state. Disclaimer: That stat was from 4 or 5 years ago..........not sure if it still holds true. 

20 minutes ago, AG said:

Pioneer has a very successful program and was, in the past ten years, in the bottom 20 of enrollment for the entire state. The enrollment is now in the top 20 for 1A. 35% of the Jr/Sr HS receives free lunches, while 98% of the elementary enrollment receives free lunches. 

Great sports programs at Pioneer. They could make a case for best in the state pound for pound. 

1 hour ago, psaboy said:

Yep, the State Street and Maplecrest corridor has definitely turned into a ghetto. Way different from I was running those streets in the 70's & early 80's. 

Come again?

21 minutes ago, temptation said:

Why ride three hours on a bus to get your teeth kicked in?  Cathedral’s freshman team would have rolled Hammond Morton.

Lol, agree with Hammond Morton. I could make a case for Penn though. 

3 hours ago, Grover said:

Bitching about opponents having unfair advantages.

An unsuccessful program thumps their chest after pounding an opponent with less resources than they do chanting "we're the best!"

17 hours ago, temptation said:

God let’s hope not.  Those poor kids were sent to the slaughter last year and had a 6 hour round trip bus ride to boot.

Here's the way I look at it. Cathedral isn't going to have their "best year ever" every year and Penn isn't going to be "down" every year. I could be wrong. Maybe the new trend is that Cathedral is one of the best two teams in the state and that Penn will be lousy every year. I doubt that though. 

17 hours ago, temptation said:

God let’s hope not.  Those poor kids were sent to the slaughter last year and had a 6 hour round trip bus ride to boot.

Really?

9 hours ago, DE said:

Don’t know if it would have had an impact of the outcome of the game, but the holding call on #55 Wilson (LB) on the Rams winning drive, was an atrocious call. IMSC, it was 3rd down and gave the Rams an automatic 1st down. To that time, there were 2 penalties on both teams. 

There were a few blown calls that affected the outcome. Although I was rooting for the Bengals, they were given a 7 point gift when the ref didn't see the facemask that launched the Rams DB to the ground. 

9 hours ago, Irishman said:

Bates was a 2015 grad and Skowronek was a 2016 grad

Thanks. You would be correct then. Chances are they didn't play each other. 

Congrats to Jessie Bates. Although he was on the losing side, he delivered a performance of a champion. 

1 hour ago, Irishman said:

The Fort.....Snider HS. Number 18 for the Rams, Ben Skowronek played at Homestead. Funny that they are just one year apart and never played against each other in high school. 

I thought they both graduated in 2015. I believe Snider was 5a in 2013 and 2014, which is why they didn't play one another. 

7 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

What percentage of coaches are Asian American and Pacific Islander? 

What's the relevance of your question?

54 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I guess I shouldn’t have included all the Asian Americans and Pacific Islander Americans playing in the NFL in that number. 😅🤣😂

You just assumed that if 25% are white, then 75% are black. In terms of numbers, your mistake was colossal. You pretty much discredited how 17% of NFL football players want to be identified. 

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

I can see that.  I’m not sure I’d go 20 deep on Saban being replaced but your point remains.  
 

Who do you think are the coordinators/young coaches that will take the next step and challenge those on this list?

Despite what he says, I’m not buying Deion as a “lifer” at Jackson State…if FSU underachieves again this fall I think he gets a call.

Jim Leonard and Derek Mason also intrigue me.

I think Deion has an agenda at Jackson State. They seem to be a good fit for some reason. The man's ego is pretty off the charts......in a likable kind of way. Imagine what it would do for his ego if he turned Jackson State into a Top 10 program? Is his financial situation in order enough for him to turn 5m down from Florida State to continue at Jackson State for half a million? We all know money is pretty important to the man. I guess we'll see what happens. 

It's hard to discount Leonard's accomplishments at Wisconsin. The million dollar question becomes whether or not that success translates to success at the head coaching position. We see a lot of well paid coordinators take on a head coaching position and fail miserably. If I was a coordinator, I would want to be a guy like Dick Lebeua. I'm well paid and my head coach doesn't challenge me because I'm so good at what I do. And less stress. 

Same with Derek Mason. If I'm making 1.1 million as a coordinator, I'm probably leaving well enough alone. 

I like Alex Grinch. Unless he's in some kind of a comfort zone, I think he'll be leading a big time program sooner than later. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Question I have posed before to others and am anxious about your take.

Why does Kyle Whittingham of Utah seemingly get ignored by these lists?

I think he’s amazing and am honestly surprised he hasn’t been lured away from Utah by now.

Maybe even David Shaw also…

Good point about Whittingham. I think I said in a previous post that 20 coaches could do with Saban's talent as he does. Whittingham certainly is on the list. His teams ranked in the Top 25 in five of the last eight seasons despite not having at Top 25 recruiting class........at least I don't think they do, I'd have to research it. How would he do in Ryan Day's position with OSU's talent? Scary thought actually. Hell, this guy could be Top 5. 

David Shaw? Maybe Top 30. I'm sure I could come up with 25 other coaches that I'd rather lead my program. Actually, if you take character into account, I could probably only come up with 10 or 15. He hasn't done enough in recent seasons to qualify as a Top 20 coach in my opinion. 

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

I could actually make a case for top five on a good day due to the student athlete dynamic you mentioned above.  Recruiting at places like Notre Dame and Michigan is often like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

I am a big fan of coaches at all levels and in all sports that can do more with less and succeed despite barriers and roadblocks that other schools don’t have to worry about.

I’ve said this multiple times but I am unsold on Dabo as a great coach.  This year will tell me all.  I think he’s an excellent recruiter and had two great coordinators but this next fall will determine where he falls on my list.

I absolutely agree. How would Harbaugh or Kelly do if they had the amount of 5-star guys that Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and even Georgia have? I do like the Top 10 though, but that order could be juggled around given all coaches are on a level playing field.