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3 hours ago, Indiana Fan said:

Honest mistake on that one lol. Yes. Warren central in the top 5 of course.

Luers isn't even a debate. In fact Luers could argue Top 5. Snider and Dwenger are both in there, no question. Interesting that not one Fort Wayne team came to your mind. 

I was being nice to Ryan Day. There might be 25 coaches that are better. Key word is "might." I don't want to completely discredit this guy.

I originally thought it was a matter of time before Kelly won the whole thing at LSU. But in order to do that, you have to be authentic in my opinion. If you're not, those around you will see right through it and you'll lose respect quickly. His time at LSU has been anything BUT authentic. That will be his downfall. 

What I love most about the drama surrounding Kelly leaving the Irish is that the attention Notre Dame and Freeman are getting on a national scale absolutely DWARFS the attention Kelly is getting at LSU. 

20 minutes ago, temptation said:

There is a reason (agree or not) that Harbaugh dropped the "some people are born on third base and think they hit a triple" quote after The Game on Thanksgiving weekend.  The implication of this is that Day landed on his feet and hit the ground running due to Urban's recruiting prowess.  

I do think Day is one hell of a play caller though.  OSU usually ramps things up as the season progresses (see Oregon last year) so you may be right.  I just cannot get that defensive performance by the Irish in Freeman's debut out of my mind and OSU will have 4/5 star talent at every skill position (possibly the best in American again, though unproven).  

Maybe I am giving my Wolverines too much credit here, but I also believe that being the Buckeyes' next regular season opponent on the schedule after the way 2021 ended means they will have a bit of a chip on their shoulder.

Once again, all hypothetical.  I have seen the spread in double figures already.

I love the Harbaugh quote, he hit the nail on the head. Ohio State's brand is strong enough to keep Day afloat. I absolutely think he's a good coach. But he has a long way to go be considered a Top 10 coach. 

Freeman is a wild card as well. Successful defensive coordinator stints at Cincinnati and Notre Dame don't equate to head coaching success, so we'll see what happens. He's proven to be one of the best recruiters in the country though. That in itself secures ND a nine win season. 

The talent gap between the Irish and Buckeyes is closing fast. How good is this staff that Freeman put together in the off season? Good enough to beat OSU in Columbus? Or does OSU win by three scores? Time will tell. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

I know April college football analysis is laughable, but me thinks OSU names their score against ND.  I do see Clemson descending and think the Irish have more than a puncher's chance in that one... 

 

 

Ohio State's a tad overrated in my opinion. I think Ryan Day is a good coach who's fortunate to have the top talent that he has. A great coach? Nah. He would have won a championship by now. That being said, I'm sure Ohio State will be pretty jacked up hosting the Irish in Columbus. Buckeyes will be hard to beat in that environment. Not sure about "naming the score" though. 

2 hours ago, DE said:

Not me.  NWI baby.

ND football yes.  IU hoops, no.  I was 9 when they won in 87.  I am now 44.  As a Hoosier, I was happy they beat Syracuse, but that was all.  TBH, that is the last time I felt they were really relevant.

I enjoyed watching college hoops, but not as much as football.  I wouldn't say I even had a "team" for college hoops.

The name Indiana is to basketball as the name Notre Dame is to football. That's why there are so many ND football/IU basketball fans. Ask someone from California or New York what they think of when they think of Indiana. They'll tell you cornfields or basketball. Ask them what they think of Notre Dame. Will they say education? Nope, they'll say football. It's just human nature to root for both if you live in this state. 

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Notice he is not saying ND will beat either...though I'll put my differences aside and root for them in both of those contests...especially week 1.

Honestly? I think the chance of them going 2-0 is about the same as going 1-1 or 0-2. All we really know at this point is that all three teams will be Top 6 in most polls. All bets are off. Clemson is Clemson , Ohio State is Ohio State, and Notre Dame continues to be right there on the outside looking in.

20 minutes ago, temptation said:

Folks who grew up in the 80s when Lou and Bobby roamed the sidelines and the last time both were nationally relevant at the same time.

That's definitely a big piece of the puzzle. 

36 minutes ago, temptation said:

2.  I’m just busting your balls about the reversible jacket.  Notre Dame football and Indiana basketball fans are the same humans.

If you live anywhere in Indiana other than west central, if you don't have a college degree, or if you have a degree from Ball State, then you're probably a fan of both ND football and IU basketball. There's really no shame in it. It's just people in Indiana rooting for universities that reside in Indiana. Loyalty to your home state. 

4 minutes ago, DE said:

I don't.

Temp knows why Clemson and Ohio State will fail this season. They'll fail because they are on ND's schedule. It's almost a curse. ND's strength of schedule is never as strong at the end of the season as it is at the beginning. 

10 hours ago, temptation said:

Pitt?  Really?  Wow.  Also, when are folks going to learn about Texas?

Clemson will be fascinating.  Dabo whining about NIL and the transfer portal is rich.  Will be interesting to see how he does without Elliott/Venables.

I'd love to see Pitt in the Top 10. That city has lost so many marquee recruits to other programs over the years, it's almost a crime. 

Clemson and Ohio State will both be flops next year. You know exactly why. 

11 hours ago, temptation said:

I don’t view the Michigan/ND rivalry the same way I view Michigan’s rivalry with OSU/MSU.

and the fact that their fans couldn’t find the Joyce Center on a campus map

Hmmmm, I'm not sure most Michigan fans would agree with the first statement. Maybe I'm wrong. 

Lmao at the second sentence. Mainly because there is some truth to it. If it means anything to you, I go to at least one basketball game a year. Notre Dame's fan base for basketball is alumni, South Bend residents, 50% of  ND football fans residing in Indiana, and 10% ND football fans residing in other states. 

11 minutes ago, WolvesOnTheProwl said:

As the 23 class goes (Dante or bust), I’d be shocked if they finish #1. A top 3 finish is a better expectation IMO

Dante isn't even a factor right now in their #1 ranking. They're #1 without him. The odds are against ND to retain that ranking, but I'm not sure I'd bet against Freeman's capabilities. I'd be thrilled with Top 5. I mean, this is Notre Dame after all. 

9 hours ago, WolvesOnTheProwl said:

Unfortunately that's all you need to shut us ND fans up 

Honestly? I know a lot of Notre Dame fans and none of them ever bring up the Michigan game. The Irish program is too busy focusing on retaining their #1 ranked 2023 recruiting class and getting back the playoffs. I can assure you they've moved on from what happened in Ann Arbor.

Haters are gonna hate. 

8 hours ago, DE said:

I enjoy UM fb except when they play ND and I always cheer for the blue when they play O$U.

I also like Michigan football when they aren't playing a team from Indiana. I just hate that they are a liberal college. 

17 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Hmmm.

I was in high school from 04-08 and definitely lumped Carmel in with the other Hamilton County schools before I associated them with the Ben Davis' and Warren Central's of the world, regardless of conference affiliation. HSE had well over 3k kids when they split after the 06-07 school year and would have been considered a mega-school enrollment back then. 

Maybe it depends on where you reside in the state. Up here in Fort Wayne, we've considered Carmel an Indy team all the way back in the 80's. 

20 hours ago, temptation said:

Accurate.  Indy schools didn’t really take suburban schools seriously until the 2010’s…they were rarely given a reason to.

I honestly knew nothing about Hamilton Southeastern until 2005. Probably because they were in one of the smaller classes prior to that. I see that they had some successful teams in the 90's. When they did reach the "big boy club", it looks like it took 4-5 years to overcome Carmel for the right to play a Fort Wayne team. 

I didn't recognize Westfield as an Indy suburban school until after 2010 sometime when they played Snider for the first time. Before then I viewed them as a small town school . I imagine I'm right, as Indy grew to them.  It's comparable to how Fort Wayne grew toward Carroll and Homestead. They were considered the country kids in the 80's and 90's. 

Dabo Swinney..."My transfer portal is right there in that locker room because if I'm constantly going out every year and adding guys from the transfer portal, I'm telling all those guys in that locker room that I don't believe in them, that I don't think they can play," Swinney said. "We're also not doing our job as coaches and recruiters if we're bringing in a bunch of transfers."

This is the point I was making all along with Coan leading the way and Pyne sitting on the bench. It's not that I dislike Coan. I have a lot of respect for that guy and he's a very good player. I just felt like Kelly was overcommitted to a guy who was never with the program from the beginning. 

2 hours ago, Gatorguy said:

Here is the spreadsheet I created. I did it on the fly here at work, and copied the numbers from the IHSAA and John Harrells sites. But there could be some mistakes since I had to manually enter a lot of the info.

It gives points for each title won, but it's formulated different from the IHSAA success factor points.

It gives 1 point for Sectionals won, 2 points for Regionals won, 3 points for a Semi State, and 4 for winning the state. However it totals all the points for the same season, so if you win State, it's actually giving you 10 points. (1+2+3+4) State runner up would be 6 points (1+2+3) etc.....

I didn't have the time to go year by year to just award points on the furthest step a team advanced to.

FB SUCCESS POINTS.xlsx 23.81 kB · 12 downloads

I second that. Good work!

On 4/7/2022 at 8:00 AM, temptation said:

Illustrating just one of my points above, of the last 10 NFL Super Bowl champions, SEVEN have had higher ranked offenses than defenses for the season when total yards are calculated, including the last five in a row.  

Perhaps at one time, the "defense wins championships" mantra was true, but the current data says otherwise.  That doesn't stop folks from trotting this one out annually however.

Interesting stat. It makes sense at the NFL level. The talent of the players is so off the charts, a team can prosper by slinging the football through the air. I think it's different at the high school and college level though. Especially high school. Maybe I'm an idiot, but if I'm a coach, I building my team around defense, ground game, and limited punting. 

How did Vince Lombardi put it? "There are four potential outcomes when passing the football, and three of them are bad."

On 4/3/2022 at 8:30 PM, Irishman said:

I had the opposite view. Looking at the bowl game; Coan got all the reps. I think Kelly is the reason that Buchner and Pyke saw the field at all during the season. With Kelly gone, the offense was completely in the hands of Rees. 

I was speaking of Pyne's opportunities when he got them. He looked very good, but Kelly continued his commitment to Coan. 

At least Kelly knew when to set Coan on the bench. Coan playing every rep against Oklahoma State was ultimately their death sentence. The regular season proved that Coan will go 3-5 offensive series in a row with stagnant offense. That's where Buchner and Pyne came in and helped the team tremendously. In fact, if it weren't for the performances of all three quarterbacks, Notre Dame wouldn't have been playing in a New Year Six bowl game. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Freeman/Rees tried fixing something that was already working, and as a result, have started the new era 0-1. 

8 hours ago, HoopsCoach said:

Don’t forget that Luers, the smallest SAC school (*private school), just shared the conference championship with Carroll last season.

I don't see that being an annual thing. I hope it is as I love the competition and enjoy seeing Luers in the mix. But that's something that happens once every ten years or so. 

Fort Wayne could be trending that way as well. Carroll took a share of the SAC title in 2021. Homestead took the title outright in 2019 and 2020. Three years may not be enough to draw any conclusions, but as the student populations of those two schools continue to grow, the likelihood of them staying at the top is pretty strong. These suburban schools with large student bodies and a wealth of resources are becoming too much to overcome for the city schools. We'll see what 2022 brings. Right now it's a crapshoot between Snider, Dwenger, Homestead, and Carroll. 

6 hours ago, temptation said:

Nah, to me being a member of "the masses" means it is more likely you are an idiot in this day and age.

#81million

You have a valid point. Not as it relates to this topic though.

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Those same people assume that I love auto racing and go to the Indy 500 annually when I tell them I’m from Indianapolis.

Then according to the masses, you DO love the Indy 500 and go to it annually, even though you don't. 

If the masses say you are a Blue Blood, then you're probably a Blue Blood regardless of what the minority think.