BTF

Looks good to me. Thanks for sharing. 

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Bold.

Outside looking in here. Why is that bold? If HSE is up or level from last year and Westfield is a bit down, couldn't there be some truth to Indiana Fan's statement?

47 minutes ago, temptation said:

6A co favorites:  Cathedral/Center Grove

Far too many people doubting the two time defending champs.

Talent advantage:  Cathedral

Coaching Advantage:  Center Grove

Yeah, I said it…

Center Grove = Reloading Machine as long as Eric Moore is at the helm. Passion equates to success. 

But sometimes a team can go through a trial period. Although the Trojans are 28-0 over the last two seasons, they lost 16 games in the three seasons prior to that. 

1 hour ago, roaringthunderdlr said:

Is merrillville vs decatur a lock for 5A state?

Probably. Snider and Dwenger are a couple of wannabe chumps. 

10 hours ago, Piratefan101 said:

Now merrillville gets to go win the 5A state title and he 2nd best team in state! Unless they are the only undefeated;) 

There ya go............nothin stoppin those Pirates now!

3 hours ago, temptation said:

They’ve been “Allen County good” for sometime now but I think last year proved that the new hires at Fishers/HSE didn’t really get a fair shot during the Covid pandemic and I think both of those programs are on the rise.

It’ll be a tough road for the Spartans.

Agree, It'll be fun to watch though. I'm old school I guess. Fort Wayne was once superior over the HCC, thinking they might get back to that level is probably a pipe dream. Suburban Indy is just growing to big for anyone to keep up. 

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Still waiting on Homestead.  Been hearing for far too long they are on the cusp.

Valid. Homestead will be good, they are every year. But will they be 2019/2020 good or 2021 good. There's a difference. The quality they put on the field in 2019/2020 puts them in a good position unless HSE puts together one of there better teams in recent memory. Homestead's chances go way up without Carmel or Westfield in the mix. That being said, I'll still roll with the HCC based on recent history................for now anyway. 

15 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

It’s actually a three year or a five year run depending on how you look at it. It’s three years if you count New Palestine in 2018 as a southern team even though they played in the northern semi-state. If not, it’s five years.

2016: Westfield (North)

2017: Columbus East (South)

2018: New Palestine (North)

2019: New Palestine (South)

2020: Cathedral (South)

2021: Cathedral (South)

Thanks for the heads up! It's natural for me to consider anyone south of Carmel "from the south."

Class 5a - Does the south's six year reign come to an end finally? Vegas odds say yes. 

Sectional 1 - Someone not named Merrillville............Love it!

Sectional 3 - should give Temptation and I something to banter over for old times sake. 

Sectional 2 - what's not to love? Carroll, Warsaw, Penn, and Elkhart. If that's not a crapshoot, I don't know what is. 

Sectional 4 - Carmel vs Westfield in the opening round. Not sure whether to laugh or cry. Seeding anyone?

5 hours ago, HHF said:

Thankfully, we still have a generally pure high school game to fall back on.

Amen.

15 hours ago, HHF said:

Reclassification - Winners and Losers

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2. Ft Wayne Northrup

Northrup missed the 6A/5A cutoff by one student , and got bumped up to 6A, where the program does not belong. Is Northrup doing anything different to justify its place in the states largest classification? The program has been mediocre for years, despite lots of talent in the halls. Will be interesting to see if the Bruins rise to the challenge.

 

Guys like Eric Moore are obsessed with what they do for a living. If you're not, then you'll get beat by someone who is. I don't have an inside track on Northrop, so I have no idea what is going on over there. But clearly other programs are doing some things that they are not. Talent in the halls? That's an understatement. They've been a track power for decades, but for whatever reason that doesn't translate to the football field. They also have one of the better football stadiums throughout the entire state. 

3 minutes ago, HHF said:

Similar, just several notches higher in every category

That's impressive. I'll have to visit their campus sometime. 

Just now, HHF said:

Center grove is blessed with an abundance of everything.  Great talent.  Great facilities.  Best coaching money can buy.  Huge community involvement.  best feeder in the state.  College like athletic administration.  Growing enrollment.  Former AD Jon Zwitt was the visionary who put this whole thing together.  Moore was the right guy at the right time.  

Any different than Homestead and Carroll?

3 minutes ago, HHF said:

Im sure Coach Moore is pulling down well north of 100K given his dual coaching roles and the high salaries paid in White River Township.  

Health is his biggest issue and concern and will ultimately be what pushes him to the sidelines.

And that's a good salary for most. I'm just saying that most coaches aren't willing to duplicate Coach Moore's passion, even at 100k. We all know that the difference between a winning program and a losing one is the amount of time and passion put into it. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Now THIS cannot be overstated.  I’ve long said that one of CG’s main advantages over those others in this thread is the coaching consistency that Moore has provided for 2+ decades and the way it’s been built from the ground up.

While Warren/BD/Carmel are replacing coaches 2-3 times per decade, Moore is simply proving his doubters wrong by reloading his machine.  The names change but the results don’t.

Not to mention, there aren't many high school coaches willing to put the time in that he does at their pay scale. 

Isn't Eric Moore getting up there in age? He's one of a kind, he won't be replaced when he retires. Center Grove will take a huge hit. 

I concede. Arch Manning going to Notre Dame is less than 5%. 

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Rich Rod was 2-1 against ND and Hoke was 2-2…(actually 2-1 or 2-1-1 if you count ND’s vacated season), lol. 

Notre Dame fan's don't count the vacated season. We know 90% of college football programs have done worse, but didn't get caught or turn themselves in. Some players cheated on a test. Big deal. I'd cheat to if I had their workload in the fall. 

36 minutes ago, WolvesOnTheProwl said:

I’d say 0.05% chance arch manning goes to ND. Dante Moore taking his official visits gives me pause on him being a done deal for the Irish. Been to LSU and heading to Oregon next I think. 
 

would love to see a Peyton and Eli piece on notre dame football 

 

 

Kind of agree on Manning. I think it's a lot higher than 5%. But lower than 35%. I'd bet on Moore coming to Notre Dame. He's a midwestern kid from Detroit and proximity is a big deal for a lot of athletes. And don't underestimate Freeman. Already six Top 300 recruits in the class of 2023. 

42 minutes ago, WolvesOnTheProwl said:

Funny I was thinking about Davie, Willingham and Weis too but then I realized they had Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke so I figured I'd shy away and focus on the 2022 season hahaha

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how the Irish have done over the last decade during the Kelly era. 

17 hours ago, temptation said:

Things have been a bit stale in here lately…figured the bear needs poking.

Don’t shoot the messenger…

The Davie, Willingham, Weiss era's don't count.

In other news: Peyton and Eli were on campus yesterday discussing Arch's future with Freeman. Two five star quarterbacks in the class of 2023?

4 hours ago, Robert said:

There was a definite order to the SAC back in the older days.  Was it the Rod Woodson camp?  Was it the neighborhoods that fed in?  Was it the coaching?  Was it intangible?  Are the outside influences making the other teams better?  Elmhurst and Harding exit, Carroll and Homestead enter....  Some sure wins aren't so sure anymore.  

All of the above. Coaching still strong. Neighborhoods taking a slight hit with residents migrating to Carroll and Homestead. Student population down from 2200 to 1800.

The SAC has always been about Snider, Dwenger, and Luers. As the student populations and resources continue to grow at Homestead and Carroll, so will their stronghold on sports in Allen County. The SAC in football is officially a crapshoot between those five programs. 

17 hours ago, psaboy said:

Yes, Snider has been winning and will reman a team that warrants the talk. A bit concerned about the 29 - 13 record the past 4 years. Haven't seen that 4 year run in some time. JMO, but just doesn't seem like the "good ole" days recently. 

They had more swagger in the "good ole" days. That's the only difference I can see. 

7 minutes ago, psaboy said:

It's wild IMO that these games get scheduled out 3-4 years in advance. Not so much that the schools do that, because I know they need too, to lock in schedule. More so that I'll be close(r) to retirement mode in 4 years. Be interesting to see what Snider can line up beyond that. And great job by Warsaw in lining up these high level games. 

It's no different than Notre Dame scheduling Michigan in 2033. Both teams could stink to high heaven by then. Probably not a good argument since Snider faces larger obstacles than then Irish and Wolverines. Honestly? Snider has been winning for the last 46 years. I doubt that will change much in 3-4 years.