Footballking16

Being able to “compete” against a 6A team on any given night is entirely different than playing 6A competition night in and night out for possibly 15 weeks. There’s a ton of non-6A schools who could “compete” with any given 6A school on any given night, doesn’t mean they should voluntarily or be forced to play 2 classes up. Hell I’d bet Mt. Vernon could “compete” with 75% of 6A on any given night (and beat a lot of them) and I’m sure you wouldn’t devote a thread to it.

Here we go.... Roncalli is a great football program. Always has been, always will be. But a high level 6A program? C’mon.

That was quick. Any thoughts on the game?

That being said, I think he’s criminally underrated in regards to the all-time greats. Most consider him a top 25-30 player. I think he’s in the 10-15 range. Arguably one of the best pure PG’s of all-time behind Magic and just a tremendous leader. He had a relatively short career derailed by injuries and only played 13 seasons retiring in his early 30’s. Pound for pound, Zeke is one of the most fearless players of all-time.

Don’t forget his comments about Larry Bird either.

Mocking DT.

Obviously Cathedral is more talented than Whiteland, but Cathedral’s 3-3 stack is all gap assignment football and just begs for teams to run east-west. If you’re going to challenge Cathedral, you have to run right at them, not around them.

He’ll back with something next week. Always does.

Dwenger self-destructing. Strip sack as they were trying to take the lead.

Terrible match-up for Whiteland. One dimensional with no vertical passing game is a recipe for disaster. Fly sweep offense plays right into Cathedral’s defensive scheme.

Cathedral giving up 38 would honestly be a bigger shock than them losing.

Stop making sense, please and thanks.

There's three P/P's that have dominated their respective enrollment classes in the last decade; Cathedral, Chatard, LCC. Telling Noll and Park Tudor they have to play schools twice their enrollment because Cathedral and Chatard punch above their weight doesn't make any sense. That's why the success factor was implemented. It punishes the schools that are actually successful not just by association.

How is having Park Tudor and Bishop Noll playing 2 and 3 classes up achieving competitive balance? It doesn't. We have the success factor already and it's more than suffice.

If you're using a multiplier as the basis for competitive balance, how is doubling the enrollment of "p/p school x with a moribund football program" achieving that? It doesn't, which is why a multiplier is the single dumbest argument for achieving competitive balance.

A multiplier is redundant if you ask me. Either keep the success factor or designate an automatic 1 class bump for all P/P's and be done with it. A 2.0 multiplier doesn't even get Chatard 2 classes up and you can be damn sure Chatard is one of two schools that a multiplier is supposed to penalize.

Yes. Mishawaka did that for a few years. Played in 5A as a 4A when the IHSAA initially went to 6 classes. Could be argued that 4A was stronger than 5A and that was a primary reason.

Success Factor achieves it's primary purpose, "penalize" the successful teams. DT speaks in absolutes about achieving competitive balance, how is Park Tudor or Bishop Noll playing 2-3 classes up achieving competitive balance?

so Guerin and Brebuef should be in 5A but not Chatard? How does that make any sense? The success factor works just fine. Good teams will bump up, others won't. Park Tudor and Bishop Noll playing in the 4A state tournament just because Chatard and Cathedral punch above their weight may be your worst take yet. There's three schools on that list who have dominated their enrollment class the last decade or so; Cathedral, Chatard, and LCC with LCC coming back down to Earth. Take out Chatard and Cathedral, and every one of those P/P's are cyclical just like any other public school.

What do you mean football magnets? The only common bond Cathedral and IMG share is the fact they are both technically considered high schools and that is about it. And this doesn't start and stop with football, but IMG's sole person is to offer an education to athletes looking to enhance their athletic ability. It's literally in their mission statement. You don't go to IMG unless you have legitimate professional aspirations in your desired sport.

Cathedral hasn't played in a 4A tournament in almost a decade. Cathedral loads up on its regular season schedule due to the terrible postseason format the IHSAA has regulated. With no penalty or reward for regular season play, why wouldn't you do anything but play the best competition that gets you ready for the postseason? Is taking advantage of a poor system the fault of Cathedral?

IMG literally has kids from all over the country and Canada and has 4 and 5* players at every position. To my knowledge there isn't a single kid on Cathedral, who to date has a Power 5 offer. Calling Cathedral a traveling all star team and comparing them to IMG is over the top, even for you. Yes, Cathedral is having an exceptionally strong year a big reason being a phenomenal junior class, but Cathedral's last 3 tournaments have ended in this fashion: Regional New Pal 35-10 (4a school by enrollment) Sectional Final Decatur 21-14 Semi-State Columbus East 42-13 Cathedral hasn't won a state title since 2014. I don't disagree for a second that Cathedral couldn't compete in 6A year in and year out. But classification isn't built on could and couldn't compete.

No and they shouldn't have too. No school should voluntarily play up 2 classes especially when opposing schools have 3-4x their enrollment.

It is what it is. Cathedral in their own right is in the midst of arguably their greatest season and have been steamrolling teams. No real disrespect to Whiteland but for Cathedral to lose this game it would take colossal failure on several fronts. Cathedral, along with Center Grove, are simply on different planets than the rest of teams this year. I'm predicting a 48-7 win for the Irish.

No disrespect to Whiteland but this will be a 2-3 score game 6-7 minutes into the game. Cathedral will then go on cruise control until the mercy rule sets in sometime early in the 3rd Q and the 2's and whoever else that is left on the dress will play out the remaining minutes.