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6 minutes ago, temptation said:

Great points by both of you but I still see a decisive edge for BD and Warren and due to much more than just “name recognition.”

Now, if you want to do a stock up/stock down type of ordeal then I will ABSOLUTELY agree that the other four conference teams have reason for optimism, maybe even much more so than BD and WC at this stage.

The Omar Cooper/Donaven McCulley squad that couldn’t muster more than 7 points against an average Warren team in the sectional two years back broke me I guess.

I’ll need to see it from those other four before I can believe it.  I think they are capable of springing an upset over the top two but can they stay out of their own way and not stub their toe and won the ones they should?

With CG and Carmel out of the conference, there has to be a light at the end of the tunnel for LC/LN/NC/Pike. With the exception of Pike, the other three have tasted some success the last few years against Ben Davis and/or Warren Central in some capacity. The mountain that one of these teams need to climb in order to be named MIC champions just became a hill. Would still bet on WC and BD finishing 1-2 in some order but you just never know. 

Honestly think this conference is more open than people want to lead on. Ben Davis and Warren get the obvious nod due to name recognition, but BD and WC talent at the top has dropped off significantly. LC has the best player in the conference by far. North Central already has two FBS commits in its senior class which is more than BD and WC to my knowledge. Pike and LN both have a few kids getting D1 looks. 

Warren Central's schedule could end up being a blessing or a curse. Open up with two extremely tough opponents who should be nationally ranked. Playing tough and competitive should keep the morale high but I think there's a decent chance Warren gets housed in both games and could lead to a let down game once conference action starts. 

6 minutes ago, DT said:

Im not sure where you are coming up with that.

Ill be highly surprised if IFCA does not have RHS Ranked #1 in the preseason poll.  

On paper, they certainly have a stronger team returning than MV.  NP - RHS will be 1-2, in a very close preseason vote.  If you want to give the Regional to NP prematurely, have at it. 

New Pal has just as good of an offensive line and has much better skill position players. 

Mt. Vernon deserves to be ranked #1 as the defending state champion but New Pal is the team to beat. 

13 minutes ago, DT said:

Give MV a little credit.  They've earned it

So do you also think the Brett Favre Packers would also beat the Aaron Rodgers Packers in a one off shootout?

 

 

Kids today are naturally bigger, faster, stronger than kids 20 years ago as were kids 20 years ago bigger, faster, stronger than the kids who came 20 years before them. I don’t really care about a hypothetical matchup between teams from two decades apart, it’s a worthless and nonsensical exercise. But it’s laughable to think Roncalli is in some unprecedented or uncharted waters in their football history. They may be one of the few teams who have a “college-sized line” (or whatever the hell that means), yet won’t even be favored to come out of their regional.

5 hours ago, DT said:

LOL

This group would pound those 2004 boys into submission.

Bigger, faster, stronger, deeper.

 

Those 2004 boys weren’t losing to 4A publics in the playoffs. This group has done it twice in 3 years. They won’t beat New Pal this year either.

Golden era my ass.

1 hour ago, DT said:

This is the biggest, strongest, and deepest era of Roncalli football in the history of the program.  The athletes of the past just dont measure up to the kids of the current era.  

Thats not exclusive to Roncalli.  Its the way of the world in high school sports.  Many publics are experiencing the same reality.

Lol.

Do we just forget that Roncalli was a missed XP away from becoming the first high school football team in the state to 4peat in the state title? Roncalli just lost in the regionals to (gasp a public school) despite having 3 D1 lineman. Your assessment is dogsh*t. Sans Warren Central, Roncalli was the program of Indiana high school football in the early to mid 2000’s. Crow all you want about about Roncalli’s “talent”, they’re nowhere near as good as they were in the Werner, Kuntz, Sergi days.

37 minutes ago, DT said:

Do the math .  Lutheran, Roncalli, Cathedral and Memorial are 4 of 17 private schools that play football.  

That  leaves about 303 public schools that play.  How many of those 303 have a line that can match up to The PP Big 4?

Your lack of general everyday common sense and intuition continues to astonish me, given your strong educational background.

 

Does Lutheran have a single D1 OL/DL? Generally asking because I can’t find one. 
 

Yes Roncalli has a great Offensive line, so does a school like New Pal.

What you’re ascribing isn’t a private/public thing. Indiana is producing more and more D1 talent in the trenches than ever before, and it’s not limited to private schools. There’s talent littered all over the state spread throughout all the classes.

The #1 rated recruit in Indiana last year was an OL from 3A Charlestown. The Chiefs just drafted a DE from 3A public West Lafayette in the first round.

5 of the top 6 recruits in Indiana last year according to 247 sports were either OL or rush ends and they all went to public schools. I get you need a thread quota to hit, but this ain’t it. 

-New Pal

-Brownsburg

-Center Grove

-Noblesville

Not sure this is a private/public school thing. Multiple public schools have had multiple D1 guys in the trenches the last couple years. 

Just now, DT said:

Iva always liked Colorado

Campus fun as hell. Not sure the sports draw, but Denver is a booming city with a ton of Midwest transplants. Adding that market makes a decent deal of sense. 

25 minutes ago, DT said:

Miami, Clemson and Florida State are likely heading to the SEC, which will kick that conference up to 19 schools.  

The Big 12 will likely pick up the remaining Pac12 inventory after Washington and Oregon join SC and UCLA in the Big.

Oregon State, Wash State, Cal, Stanford, AZ , AZ State, Colorado, Utah

That conference won't survive. 

B10 will take Cal and Stanford and there is reported interest in Colorado as well. 

7 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I guess it depends on how important the Association of American Universities is to the Big 10.  Both USC and UCLA has it.  The only school in the Big 10 that currently does not possess it is Nebraska, and they lost their after joining the Big 10.  My understanding is that there is pressure for them to get it back.

After Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC, only Kansas from the Big 12 has the membership.  So I guess it depends on the importance.  With the Big 10 announcement yesterday about USC and UCLA, this association was certainly included.

Washington and Oregon are both members.....so is Stanford and Berkeley...both in major metro areas.

https://www.si.com/college/northwestern/football/what-the-association-of-american-universities-has-to-do-with-big-ten-expansion

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Colorado has it and have read on Twitter a school the B10 wants. I think there are better options but Denver market makes some sense. 

B10 Ten I believe is content with more than 20 teams. Cornering the West coast market by adding Cal/Stanford/Oregon/Washington makes a ton of sense.

Doing this is going to force the SEC too expand even more and I see them adding Clemson, Miami, and Florida State sometime in the next year or two. 

UVa, UNC, and Duke are closer to SEC territory but academics align more with the B10, could see the B10 making a move for those 3 as well as the ACC will have now been blown up. 

This will force ND to make a decision one way or another.

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

I don’t disagree with most of this post but it would still be rich considering the county schools you are attempting to build sympathy for are now on the “other side” of the transfer portal.

Not building sympathy for anyone, it works in reverse as well. 

5 minutes ago, temptation said:

What happens in a situation where parents are divorced and dad lives on the west side and mom lives on the east side?  Does it come down to custody?  (I honestly don’t know but have experienced this.)

A whole separate issue as well, if there is a physical move involved a transfer should be signed off on. 

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

Loyalty is dying quickly.  The 3-4 high school thing is becoming more common than you’d think.

Agreed, and the IHSAA has the ability to put their foot down. We'll see how "dangerous" some of these schools really are if the IHSAA restricts varsity eligibility for those who transfer out of district without physically moving. 

9 hours ago, temptation said:

Well, their AD just took a job in a different township and they also have an assistant AD position open currently so…

Warren fighting a transfer wound be such sweet and rich irony…and fighting a kid that wants to transfer to NEW PAL, lol?

 

I’m talking in general, not just this particular case. If the IHSAA sets a precedent that students can freely jump school districts without physically moving under the grounds of “safer and healthier environment” what’s going to stop all the rest of the township athletes from jumping ship and transferring out to the county schools? And not only that, you’re paving the way for a possibility of kids going to 3, maybe 4 high schools before they graduate. 
 

The IHSAA has to draw a line in the sand somewhere. I have no problem with a parent wanting to do what they feel is in the best interest for their child, in fact I encourage it, but any extracurricular activity like football is a privilege not a right, and if a transfer is prompted truly for safety reasons, then losing a year of varsity eligibility really shouldn’t matter.

Now if a student and family physically moves into a new district, all bets are off and the school the player is transferring from shouldn’t have a say in the matter.

13 minutes ago, Irishman said:

If the school a student is leaving just signs off on the transfer, the IHSAA will more than likely approve. The only time I can think of they didn't was when the younger Gordon brother was transferring from North Central to Cathedral. NC signed off, but he was still only given limited eligibility. 

Which was crazy considering his starting backcourt mate at North Central, Jordan Walker, transferred at the exact same time to Cathedral and was immediately given full eligibility.

This will be interesting to watch depending on how hard Warren Central fights this, and really for the sake of the other township schools they need to fight like hell. Could set a staggering precedent going forward that allows kids to transfer freely to a different school district without actually physically moving.  

9 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I was under the assumption that programs like Gorman and IMG weren’t in good standing with their state associations.  Part of the reason they have a National schedule I thought.  
 

At least that’s the most logical thing to why a high school team can have a full travel schedule across the US lol

IMG definitely isn’t, not sure about Gorman but wouldn’t be shocked at all.

40 minutes ago, Robert said:

¿Comprendes?  Reread it.  Can't happen. 

Not sure if Gorman is in good standing with the Nevada High School Commission, not sure how you could be when you have players from multiple states attending a parochial school, but the only way it could happen (as I read it) is if Gorman flew all the way to Carmel or the two schools agreed to meet on a neutral field 300 miles from the border.

Either way, not sure I see the draw for Gorman. They have much bigger fish to fry.

7 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said:

You know that for a fact? I don’t see that.

From experience 

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

Warren Central had Kevin Wright in the 2000's, that has to account for something.

Shhh.

Stick to the narrative.

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

3-9 against Warren in the 2000’s though…

He must’ve gone to some coaching clinics in 2011, huh?

I know he was, you already mentioned it.
 

Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither was the Center Grove football program. Coach Moore’s commitment to building an excellent football program is an extremely attractive selling point to families looking to move into Johnson County. 
 

What’s Center Grove today without Eric Moore? Another Noblesville.

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Another poor attempt/deflection.

I’ll help.

1.  CG’s enrollment grew and SES remained consistent while Warren’s stayed stagnant yet their SES increased significantly (nearly doubled since 2000).

2.  CG nailed their hire and has had tremendous coaching consistency (it’s a factor no doubt, aren’t you proud of me?) while Warren has been a revolving door and has hit the reset button for one reason or another FIVE times over the last two decades.

Warren’s revolving door of coaches (they’ve lost their OC and DC to other schools just in the last 3 months) has now begun to extend to players.  

Meanwhile, transfers are FLOCKING to CG.

How much longer can we pretend “there’s nothing to see here?”

 

You could have just said Eric Moore and I probably would have even given you a thumbs up sign.

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

You’re deflecting with your terrible sense of humor again…very unattractive.

Hell, look no father than Center Grove.

A CG win over Warren was considered an upset in the 2000’s…
 

CG went 3-9 against Warren from 2000-2009…with Eric Moore at the helm.

They are 9-9 since.

What changed?

They stopped serving sack lunches in the Center Grove cafeteria???

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

BTW:  Warren’s is probably closer to triple Noblesville/Fishers.

My bad.

Cant believe all those $15 daily meal preps from Freshly hasn’t netted a winning football program.

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Plus, all 3000+ schools are not created equal.  

You are talking 1500-1900 boys but at places with high FRL rates, many of those students are “no goes” from the first call out meeting.

Doesn’t matter how great the coach is.

Noblesville has 1500-1900 boys and F/R/L rate that’s half of Warren Central and I’m taking Warren 9/10 times and I don’t care if Vince Lombardi and Bill Parcells are splitting head coaching duties. 
 

Fishers is up there as well.

1 minute ago, BTF said:

Valid point. Not the advantage they once had. But an advantage nonetheless if you couple their enrollment with a good coach. Time will tell. 

Jayson West. 3 state titles, 2 different teams. He was a good coach. Went 4-6 his last year.

Mike Kirschner. Also a state title winner. Went 5-4 last year and lost in the first round to 3-6 Lawrence Central.

Looking at their regular season schedule, I struggle to find 5 wins. They get to .500 playing in the sectional of death that is sectional 7, but are likely a 2-3 TD underdog in their regional game with Cathedral.

Warren Central can and likely will have a state caliber team again at some point. But the days of them winning games before kick off is likely in the rearview mirror.