Footballking16

Open enrollment in the city of Indianapolis has arguably hurt Cathedral. Before open enrollment, you either attended your local school or ponied up and went to a private school.

I don't think anyone disputes that schools in higher income areas have higher participation rates that in turn leads to success. I don't disagree at all. It's this comment that pisses me off It's 90% of their success. Look at a school like Brebuef on the other side of town with with similar enrollment, similar demographics, similar SES, etc. Brebeuf historically is a very average football program. You'd think that a school who shares that same qualities as a school like Cathedral would have similar results. They don't. Not by a mile.

It's insulting to attribute Cathedral's success on the gridiron to the household income of the families that send their kids to Cathedral. It's wrong. Cathedral isn't good because some of their players parents have money, they're good because they're more talented than the majority of the teams they play stemming from a great coaching staff that instills a winning culture every day. You can't tell me that the average parent in Center Grove Twp makes more than the average parent in either of the Fishers districts or Noblesville. What separates Center Grove and schools like Noblesville, Fishers, HSE? It sure as hell isn't enrollment. It sure as hell isn't SES factors. I wonder what it is? There's successful programs littered across the state that come all different dynamics. But there's one or two common themes they all share, and it has nothing to do with SES factors.

The most affluent school in the state of Indiana also has one of the worst football programs. It’s in jeopardy of contracting. If socioeconomic status dictated high school football results, Park Tudor would have a dozen 1A football titles. They don’t.

You clearly missed the point. Congratulations.

There aren’t affluent public school communities?

So Pike and Lawrence Central winning a couple of track state titles ten years ago speaks to the utter downfall of the Indianapolis high schools today? You've lost it.

Upscale Western Boone--lol.

Well prepared to be dazzled. Exactly 10 years ago, calendar year 2011-2012, Indianapolis schools won, get this, 5 state titles. Cathedral-Football Chatard-Football Lawrence Central-Men's Track and Field North Central-Women's basketball Pike-Women's Track and Field It's a misleading stat, clearly.

It's a misleading stat, no more no less. All the Indy schools knock each other out in the sectional and regional rounds, and by default typically play in the hardest half of the bracket by virtue of playing each other. 5 of the top 10 teams in 4A basketball this year all played in the same sectional and are all located in Indianapolis. Indy schools were still represented well in the their respective tournaments.

That's a rather misleading statistic. How many public schools in Indianapolis play in anything but the large class division? I don't see Covenant Christian's football title in there either.

BD and Warren both have players littered across the D1 ranks. Dawand Jones started in the national championship game last year and David Bell is a potential first round draft pick. Doesn’t get more elite than that.

Zionsville loses its small town charm once they start taking on that many students. I've had family in Zionsville since the 50's and they've been very reciprocated to change. They are very big on the small town atmosphere. The town of Zionsville itself isn't very big, especially when compared to Westfield, Carmel, Fishers, Noblesville but has actually almost doubled in population the last 15-20 years yet still dwarfed when comparing populations of Carmel, Fishers, Noblesville. The influx of students coming into the school district are from neighboring Whitestown. Whitestown is the fastest growing community in the state in there really isn't a close second, population has quadrupled in the last 10 or so years.

Split between the two. I think you'll see a push from the Zionsville School Corporation in the coming years as Whitestown continues to grow to push all the influx residents to either Lebanon or have Whitestown simply form an independent school corporation. I don't think Zionsville has any interest in taking on another 1000-1500 students.

That's by design and Zionsville won't ever get to mega school status. Zionsville is a town of old money and has been resistant to change in terms of population growth in comparison to it's Hamilton and Hendricks County neighbors. Whitestown is a very fast growing community however and wouldn't be shocked to see a new high school emerge in the coming years, possibly consolidated with Lebanon.

Westfield is emerging as an immediate threat and Brownsburg and Avon have shown the last 5-6 years they are no fluke. If anything I think you'll see more parity in 6A in the years to come. There's multiple role playing aspects that go into athletics with socioeconomics being a small piece. But it's not the end be all, not by a long shot. I've illustrated that in the past. Cathedral winning track and field is really an anomaly but they have an extremely gifted pair of sisters on that squad who come from an extremely athletic family (both brothers are D1 football players who played at CHS previously).

Warren just hired away a hall of fame coach from one of the fastest growing school corporations in the state. They will be fine, as will Ben Davis. Center Grove as good as they've been, also has a generational 2022 class, many who started as sophomores. As we've seen the last 20 years, it's been cyclical between the MIC's Big 4 and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Why? According to you a few months back its all about enrollment and socioeconomic factors. Carmel and Warren are two of the three largest high schools in the state.

The talent composite really illustrates the talent disparity across college football. The talent disparity between Ohio State and a school like Wisconsin, who by most is considered or perceived to be the 4th best B10 team (behind PSU and Michigan) is significantly greater than the talent disparity between Wisconsin and a school like Indiana or Rutgers, by an extremely wide margin.

Those guys (Goodwin and McCullough) were offered by every school in the country. McCullough was previously committed to Ohio State before his dad took a job at Indiana. Blake Fisher was recruited by every school in the country last year. Hunter Johnson was the #1 rated pro-style QB a few years ago. Emil Ekiyor held offers from all over the country and is a starting OL for Bama. Jeff George was the national high school player of the year. Caden Curry is an exceptional talent but nowhere near the highest recruited player in Indiana history.

In what sense? What quantifies that?

Not even the highest ranked player in Indiana this year.

I’ll do a $500 GID donation on over 5.5 wins if anyone wants to take it?

Normally I’d agree, except they went 8-4 the year prior. 5-6 wins would be a massive disappointment and failure given IU’s talent level. Every other program IU beat last year played under the same circumstances.

4 wins would be catastrophic and complete and utter failure if it were to happen. 6 wins should be the bare minimum. Calling IU the 13th best team (in a 14 team conference) is lol your worst take yet. I don’t care what little stars were next to each players name 3-4-5 years ago, it doesn’t matter at this point. IU is a team that has fully bought in to staff and leadership.