Footballking16

Cathedral from a depth perspective is night and day better and more suited for a 6A run now than they were the first go around. Lost in 2OT to a pretty good Avon team in 15 out a couple starters and ran into a buzzsaw in Ben Davis in 16 both at the regional level. No shame in any of that. Yes it will be more difficult for Cathedral to navigate a 5 game playoff run playing teams 3-4x their enrollment, because just like every program in the state, each individual graduating class isn't built the same.

Pete Werner sat out a year after transferring from Mt Vernon after his freshman year.

North Central signed off on both Eron Gordon and Jordan Walker (both future D1 players). Walker at the time was a bit of an unknown but Gordon as a sophomore at the time was considered a top 100 recruit. Walker was eligible to play immediately and Gordon wasn’t (go figure). The IHSAA really showed their ass the way they handled it.

Sure there are, and they have to sit out from varsity competition for 365 days. Does anyone not remember the Eron Gordon fiasco? The Gordon's had to go so far as to get a court injunction for their son to play as the IHSAA fought this tooth and nails. Had the Carroll's or Bidding's moved into Lawrence Twp (closer to Cathedral) instead of Greenwood and enrolled at Cathedral for their senior year they would be eligible to play varsity their senior year? Not a chance in hell.

Are we naive to think either transfer wasn't athletically motivated? Because that's the no-no in the eyes of the IHSAA.

I never said that you specifically stated Cathedral cheated. But I've heard for over a decade that Cathedral doesn't "play by the same rules" because they don't have established boundaries. What do you call two D1 transfers from the West side of Indy?

Does it really matter that he got hurt? What is the reaction if Biddings and/or Carroll showed up to Cathedral for their senior year? There isn't a chance in hell the IHSAA is giving them immediate varsity eligibility and this board would have a 40 page thread on how Cathedral "cheats". This happens at public schools all the time and it's completely swept under the rug.

Center Grove was "blessed" with not one, but TWO, D1 transfers this offseason as one year rentals. One is committed to a school that is likely going to be in the CFB playoffs and the other to an ACC school. Everybody is taking advantage of open-enrollment. Cathedral is hurt more than they are helped by open-enrollment. Prior to open-enrollment you played within your district or you ponied up to go to a private school. Today, you can be the #1 rated QB in the nation living in Avon where your older brother plays football while playing Brownsburg or you can play at Brownsburg for 3 years and transfer to Center Grove for your senior season.

I bet a few go, but don't see Tommy Rees leaving. Assuming Freeman gets the job (which I think he will) I think it would be wise to hire a former head coach on staff to help Freeman transition to head coach, similar to what Juwan Howard did at Michigan with Phil Martelli in basketball. Bring on someone like Gary Patterson to be the namesake DC and associate head coach would be much beneficial in my opinion.

Ahh good point. Don't think he leaves with Kelly. He's either going to be promoted to HC at ND or take Fickell's job if he leaves for Notre Dame. Notre Dame is finally starting to land some serious 5* talent, much of it attributed to Freeman and they may want to salvage some of that momentum. Also not sure if Notre Dame can wait potentially wait on Fickell to till the end of December or even early January. Signing Day is in two weeks.

I thought Schiff was a year or two younger than Shannon/Cutler? Guess I didn't realize Shannon and Cutler were same grade. Shannon did break the rushing record in his senior season but was also upset by Plainfield in the sectional.

What about Freeman? I feel like that is who is going to be hired?

Kelly wants to win a title. Period. He’s 60 years old. Kelly (clearly) feels LSU gives him the best chance to win a title rather than ND. Ed Orgeron and Les Miles won titles at LSU, they aren’t in the same breath as Kelly.

ND is a private school, they don’t have to report anything. You’re delusional if you think Brian Kelly was only making $4mil/yr at ND. Absurdity.

Nick Saban was 34-24-1 at Michigan State before getting hired on at LSU. He had one good year at 9-2 and was virtually .500 every other year. Brian Kelly cleaned up a huge mess at ND and built a top 5 program. Kelly is 10x more established at his time of hiring compared to LSU. Perspective please.

He was making $7-8 million/yr at ND, Kelly obviously came to the realization he just wasn’t going to win a National Title at Notre Dame.

Saban and Miles were both “Yankees” and both won national titles there. Kelly built an arguable top 5 program with recruiting restrictions at ND, imagine what he’ll do at LSU without them. Louisiana produces some serious in-state talent and there’s no other major in-state program to compete with.

You sure you don’t want to walk that back? Kaleb DeBoer spent a year as IU’s OC, was hired as head coach immediately at Fresno State and today took the opening at Washington. Allen hired Kane Wommack three years ago and within two years parlayed his success with a D1 coaching job at South Alabama.

So one game outcome equates to closing the game in an otherwise 15-20 year conference domination? That isn't how it works. No doubt that certain members of the HCC have raised their football profiles, but the HCC is nowhere close to the MIC. When one 6A title, let alone 5,6,7 in a row, before we can legitimately have this conversation.

Not trying to bag on GS either, but I think stats can be such a misleading talking point especially against inferior competition. Trust me, I think Brady is by far and away the best QB in the state this year and more than deserving for the award, but I'm much more impressed with his arm strength, footwork, and ability to go through progressions down the field than his year long stat line (which is also very good).

How long did Brady Allen stay in the game against either of those teams? Was GS still throwing in the third quarter up big? Cathedral has over 100 kids on their roster and will always look to get everyone game action when applicable. I don't think Cathedral has ever been fixated on pumping up a players stat line. I'm sure if Cathedral wanted to throw the ball 45 times against New Albany for 500 yards and 6 TD's they could have, they simply chose not to because it wasn't necessary. They scored one TD in the second half with a running clock and all 75 players who dressed played in the game.

Cathedral was beating Brebeuf 31-7 at half and New Albany 45-7 at half and honestly both games were essentially over after the first two drives of the game. There was no need for Cathedral to throw the ball excessively in either of those contests. Cathedral rushed for nearly 300 yards against Columbus North as CN couldn't stop the Irish. O'Neil still had a pretty impressive state line for that game throwing wise after all said and done. 66% completion rate, 3 TD's and no INT's.

That's my line of thinking as well. Not many schools in the country have that kind of access to talent without any serious competition. It's amazing the amount of talent that has left Southern California since Carroll's departure. Before this weeks slate of games started, the three CFB players with the best odds to win the Heisman trophy were: CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, and Matt Corral. All three QB's, all three from Southern California, none at USC. Riley's already got 5 or 6 highly ranked recruits out of Southern CA that have de-committed from Oklahoma that appear ready to follow him to USC.

So are all SEC jobs better than USC? I can think of one, maybe two SEC jobs that I think are better than USC but its close. I think you saw what can happen at USC with the right guy. Whether or not Riley is the guy to do that, who knows, but I think he'll stop the bleeding when it comes to USC losing on local talent which needs to be the #1 priority.

Lincoln Riley for obvious reasons stole the show in the news yesterday voluntarily leaving one blue blood program for another. In my 30 some years I don't think I've ever seen a coaching move of this magnitude other than Roy Williams leaving Kansas to go coach his alma mater UNC. Oklahoma is a blue blood football program and you simply don't see coaches walking away from a job with that much history and success. It got me thinking, is USC the best football job in the country? If not USC, what other jobs are better?