Footballking16

It's the Indianapolis Star Mr. Football award....

The fact that a Center Grove player won last year won't make a lick of a difference. The IndyStar loves giving the award to a large class player from Metro Indy.

I liked you better when you were in your post-Roncalli collapse hole.

YUCA---do you officiate any college or just high school?

I can’t envision a scenario where Allen starts as a true freshman even if O’Connell leaves unless it’s out of necessity due to injury. Plummer putting his name in the portal likely signals O’Connell is back, but Allen starting as a true freshman is more than likely an indictment on Brohm not being able to develop or groom a QB in his younger classes. Brady will get his shot and should have multiple years to prove himself, I just don’t see next year being it.

Notre Dame "should" never have to reboot, in my opinion. I get the love and support for Freeman and I do think he'll one day end up being a very good college HC, but player support/recruiting retainment really shouldn't be the mitigating factor in the hiring process. Same thing happened with USC and Clay Helton. Helton was named the interim after they fired Sarkisian and it was in large part due to outspoken support by then current players and committed recruits. That same support landed Helton an extension that certainly wasn't warranted. ND is a big boy program and they will make the right decision and it very well could be Freeman and he very well could kill it in South Bend for the next 20 years, but the decision shouldn't be based on player/recruit input.

He'd be smart too but sounds like LSU is prepared to make Freeman the highest paid DC in America at well over $2mil/yr. But I don't think Freeman is a coordinator anywhere next year, he'll be a head coach.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Rees leave. Freeman on the other hand, only leaves if UND isn't hiring Fickell because that means Freeman is either being promoted at Notre Dame or taking Fickell's job at Cincinnati.

Notre Dame's regular season has technically ended as has LSU's. Early signing period for college football is December 15th, it would look a whole lot worse had Brian Kelly let a dozen or so kids sign their LOI's (some even early enrolles) only to bolt after the first of the year. It's the way these things work, there's no easy way to leave one job for another. As far as the social media aspect goes, how much control does Brian Kelly have over that? Social media is the problem.

CG has been doing it for the last 15 years and has only been getting better. As I mentioned in the above post, Cathedral is much better suited for a 6A run now than they were 5-6 years ago, but Cathedral's enrollment isn't going to magically double. Cathedral's 2022 class was extraordinarily special and had over 40 seniors with 30 some all contributing a ton the last two years. They stand to lose 17 starters and a bunch more on their two deep. This coming graduating class is the exception not the norm, and while I have zero doubts Cathedral can more than hold their own in 6A in any given year, I disagree that the Center Grove's, the Carmel's, etc can't or won't keep up. Assuming Cathedral does get bumped up to 6A, things will get interesting. CG, Cathedral, and Westfield in my opinion were easily the three best teams in the state last year and by a wide margin. All three teams lose a ton so there's likely to be more parity next year without a clear cut favorite like the last two years. Cathedral loses all but one defensive starter and their entire offensive line. I'm probably a little biased, but I do believe Cathedral returns the best collection of skill position players next year.

Cathedral from a depth perspective is night and day better and more suited for a 6A run now than they were the first go around. Lost in 2OT to a pretty good Avon team in 15 out a couple starters and ran into a buzzsaw in Ben Davis in 16 both at the regional level. No shame in any of that. Yes it will be more difficult for Cathedral to navigate a 5 game playoff run playing teams 3-4x their enrollment, because just like every program in the state, each individual graduating class isn't built the same.

Pete Werner sat out a year after transferring from Mt Vernon after his freshman year.

North Central signed off on both Eron Gordon and Jordan Walker (both future D1 players). Walker at the time was a bit of an unknown but Gordon as a sophomore at the time was considered a top 100 recruit. Walker was eligible to play immediately and Gordon wasn’t (go figure). The IHSAA really showed their ass the way they handled it.

Sure there are, and they have to sit out from varsity competition for 365 days. Does anyone not remember the Eron Gordon fiasco? The Gordon's had to go so far as to get a court injunction for their son to play as the IHSAA fought this tooth and nails. Had the Carroll's or Bidding's moved into Lawrence Twp (closer to Cathedral) instead of Greenwood and enrolled at Cathedral for their senior year they would be eligible to play varsity their senior year? Not a chance in hell.

Are we naive to think either transfer wasn't athletically motivated? Because that's the no-no in the eyes of the IHSAA.

I never said that you specifically stated Cathedral cheated. But I've heard for over a decade that Cathedral doesn't "play by the same rules" because they don't have established boundaries. What do you call two D1 transfers from the West side of Indy?

Does it really matter that he got hurt? What is the reaction if Biddings and/or Carroll showed up to Cathedral for their senior year? There isn't a chance in hell the IHSAA is giving them immediate varsity eligibility and this board would have a 40 page thread on how Cathedral "cheats". This happens at public schools all the time and it's completely swept under the rug.

Center Grove was "blessed" with not one, but TWO, D1 transfers this offseason as one year rentals. One is committed to a school that is likely going to be in the CFB playoffs and the other to an ACC school. Everybody is taking advantage of open-enrollment. Cathedral is hurt more than they are helped by open-enrollment. Prior to open-enrollment you played within your district or you ponied up to go to a private school. Today, you can be the #1 rated QB in the nation living in Avon where your older brother plays football while playing Brownsburg or you can play at Brownsburg for 3 years and transfer to Center Grove for your senior season.

I bet a few go, but don't see Tommy Rees leaving. Assuming Freeman gets the job (which I think he will) I think it would be wise to hire a former head coach on staff to help Freeman transition to head coach, similar to what Juwan Howard did at Michigan with Phil Martelli in basketball. Bring on someone like Gary Patterson to be the namesake DC and associate head coach would be much beneficial in my opinion.

Ahh good point. Don't think he leaves with Kelly. He's either going to be promoted to HC at ND or take Fickell's job if he leaves for Notre Dame. Notre Dame is finally starting to land some serious 5* talent, much of it attributed to Freeman and they may want to salvage some of that momentum. Also not sure if Notre Dame can wait potentially wait on Fickell to till the end of December or even early January. Signing Day is in two weeks.

I thought Schiff was a year or two younger than Shannon/Cutler? Guess I didn't realize Shannon and Cutler were same grade. Shannon did break the rushing record in his senior season but was also upset by Plainfield in the sectional.

What about Freeman? I feel like that is who is going to be hired?

Kelly wants to win a title. Period. He’s 60 years old. Kelly (clearly) feels LSU gives him the best chance to win a title rather than ND. Ed Orgeron and Les Miles won titles at LSU, they aren’t in the same breath as Kelly.

ND is a private school, they don’t have to report anything. You’re delusional if you think Brian Kelly was only making $4mil/yr at ND. Absurdity.

Nick Saban was 34-24-1 at Michigan State before getting hired on at LSU. He had one good year at 9-2 and was virtually .500 every other year. Brian Kelly cleaned up a huge mess at ND and built a top 5 program. Kelly is 10x more established at his time of hiring compared to LSU. Perspective please.