Footballking16

Lol. You're right I don't need to prove anything, the prior award winners speak for themselves (and parallels everything I've stated). I said the Mr. Football award is usually biased towards players from Central IN and the largest class in my initial post and you have done absolutely nothing to contradict that statement. Knock yourself out though trying to show evidence otherwise. I started taking the award with a grain of salt when Morgan Newton won the award over Nick Zachery in 2008.

The 2A line backer is a junior thus ineligible for the position award and Goodwin has over 50 committable FBS offers and may shun Kentucky for Alabama on signing day.

Define best? Mr. Football isn't a program award by any means and rarely does the "best football player" win the award. The two highest rated recruits in the state with the best offer sheets (McCullough and Goodwin) didn't even win their position awards this year. And neither reside in Central Indiana, go figure. The award in most years (not every year...hence outliers) typically goes to the best offensive skill position player on the best larger class team. The best large class programs are located in Central Indiana. The award has bias towards it and has for years and frankly don't give a Sh*t if you agree with me or not. That isn't my problem.

Romeir Elliott DID make the list. He was Mr. Football for the Running Back position that year and was one of the finalists. We are talking about one year in the nearly 30 years the award has been given. Perhaps we call 2018 an outlier? Do you know what an outlier is? Bottom line, more than half the award winners have come from central Indiana and 14 of the 29 winners have all come from the largest class. When there are 5 (now 6 classes) and one class has nearly 50% of the winners it's hard not to conclude there is some kind of bias. Just stating facts, don't shoot the messenger.

Definitely make a case for Bell. Think you could have made a reasonable case for Elliott as well. We saw a 6A back win it last year with far lesser numbers.

I didn't say best player, I said most deserving. As we've seen with this award, it's usually a best player award on best team. Hard to argue Jack Kiser's worth to Pioneer and what he did on both sides of the ball. That being said, there's only two players in then 5A/now 6A to rush for over 3,000 yards in a single season and Romeir Elliott is one of those players.

You could make an argument that David Bell wasn't even the most deserving player on his own TEAM that year. Romeir Elliott rushed for 3100 yards and scored 41 TD's that year. Only one other largest class player has ever rushed for 3,000+ yards in a single season, Shakir Bell who was also snubbed of the award.

Paper resume was nice but success not so much. Was apart of some very good offenses at Arkansas State but was ok at Maryland and FSU. Maryland averaged in the 20's in ppg and FSU averaged 19 ppg against P5 opponents in 2018 and rushing attack netted barely over 3 yards/carry. Like most Allen hires, this a guy that was likely recommended, assuming by Willie Taggart whom both have served under as coordinators. I hope Bell works out but obviously very hesitant given his past. For Allen's sake it better as this hire will likely determine his future.

Have read up a little bit on new OC Bell. Decent resume with some pretty meh results but at least has some P5 play-calling experience. Runs a spread offense that's a little more run heavy. Sounds like he prefers to use the QB in the run game which suits McCulley as he can take some hits.

Duh. They create the talent. This isn’t hard. Dabo and Saban two best coaches in America by far. Agreed.

Notre Dame may recruit kids from all over the country, but they can't walk in to any state and grab whatever kid they want. There's two programs who can do that currently; Alabama and Ohio State. Georgia has done a marvelous job the last 3-4 years of keeping their 5* talent home and not letting them go to Bama or Florida and actually have the most 5* of any program in the country. It's not a coincidence as to why they are the best team in the country right now. https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

Alabama enjoys the recruiting base they do now for one reason; Nick Saban. Geographically, Alabama is the 4th or 5th best state in SEC country in terms of high school talent. They have an in-state conference rival that also recruits very well. Alabama went through 4 coaches in 11 years before hiring Saban and won just one national title between Bear Bryant and Saban (30 years). Alabama is without a doubt the best program in the country right now and that's because of Nick Saban. Will be interesting to see how Alabama holds up post-Saban. Last college program that resembled anything close to the Alabama dynasty was UCLA under Wooden. They fell hard after he retired.

Bama and Clemson have the two best coaches in America by far. They can overcome the inherent advantages other schools have because of their staff. Bama will survive post-Saban (probably because they'll hire Dabo), but they aren't going to be the juggernaut they are today. Dabo is Clemson. They will fall significantly once Dabo leaves. May not be for a while, but they aren't going to be able to sustain the last 5-6 years. Hell, they may already be on the down swing.

Georgia lost in OT 3 years ago in the national title game and will be a two TD favorite against any CFB opponent they face next month. Barring the team forgetting to get off the bus, they will be your next college football champion.

He's literally the winningest coach in ND football history and was still a whipping boy to the SEC programs/Clemson. College football today is all about the Jimmies and Joe's. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State are living proof of that. There's no way Clemson is a top 5 job in the country. Again, confusing program for job.

I said job, not program. Saban is Alabama. Does anyone not remember the 4 coaches Bama hired before Saban? Alabama high school talent isn;t on par with Florida, Georgia, or Louisiana and they have another major in-state conference opponent to compete with. Same thing with Notre Dame. People don't realize just how good of a coach Brian Kelly actually is. I'd agree that Notre Dame may be the most rewarding job, but it's definitely not one of the top 5 jobs in college football. Their coach just left for LSU.....

Well then...looks like in a few years we can legitimately have a discussion about the HCC finally taking over the MIC in football 🤣

Agreed. I don't really need to see Cathedral play NC, Pike, Lawrence, etc every year for it to makes to make a move. I hope CG stays on the schedule and then a rotation with BD/Carmel/WC. Those match-ups are good for Indiana High School football.

It's not. It would have happened by now. But we insist on having a yearly discussion about it to keep the tradition alive.

Personally don't think Cathedral needs the MIC anymore. Cathedral embraces the independent tag and freedom that comes with scheduling. 10-15, 20 years ago Cathedral was still playing teams like Broad Ripple, Arlington, Tech, Northwest, etc because they couldn't find consistent opponents. Cathedral today has a decent rotation with OH GCL schools, MIC/HCC here in town, Roncalli is due back on the schedule, and then of course the annual game with Chatard.

Admissions. Notre Dame just isn't going to take a flight risk on a kid they don't think can graduate.

I believe these are the most important factors that go into best job in the country: -Recruiting base -Competition in said recruiting base -Resources/budget/facilities -Path to national title (conference/division) -miscellaneous items such as history/tradition/ Thought long and heard about this and in my opinion the top 5 jobs in college football (remember this is job only, not current program standing) 1. Georgia-Georgia produces tremendous football talent; flagship university in-state with no conference rival; Georgia Tech only P5 competition but don't directly compete with recruits. Georgia is the one SEC program who in the last 5 years have gone toe to toe in recruiting with Saban. 2. USC-Located in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world and access to a huge local recruiting network; Great history and tradition. Doesn't have any direct competition for local recruits among elite college football programs. Weaker conference sets up for easier path to CFB 3. Ohio State-largest and most passionate fan base in the country; storied tradition; have the ability to recruit nationally as well as being the premier football program above the mason-dixon line 4. Florida-On paper hard to argue against it being the best job; Flagship university in the best state for high school talent. Only drawback is competing directly with in-state schools like Miami and FSU as well the other elite SEC schools looking to poach Florida talent 5. Texas- program has been a disaster since they forced Mack Brown into retirement but you won't convince me that Texas can't be an elite program with the right coach; Endless resources and deep pockets galore in Austin, huge recruiting base, etc

Was told Cathedral didn't have adequate enough facilities last time they asked about entry. Not sure if there was any truth to that but just what I've always known to be the case. 10 or so years ago sounded a lot more appealing that it does now. Cathedral really used to struggle with scheduling.

The coaches do. And I’m sure there’s zero undue influence or pressure by the organization that sponsors the award….Yeah. Freakin. Right. Over the years this has been an Indy dominated award typically won by a player in the largest class.

Oh come on. The award is known to have bias towards metro Indy/largest class. More than half the winners all hail from Metro Indy and 13/29 winners have all come from the largest class (either then 5A or 6A). Yes there have been winners from smaller classes, butthe largest class has a huge disproportionate amount of winners.