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On 9/13/2019 at 1:29 PM, swordfish said:

Typical politician answering his fans......Even Joe Biden knows this......

BUT - if he only wants to eliminate the AR 15 and the AK 47, he is forgetting like maybe a MAC 10....

Heard some interesting debate regarding the "weapons of war" . I think there could very well be some unintended, or perhaps intended consequences with regards to banning guns that were "designed for the battle field". 

The Colt M1911 was standard issue firearm for every branch of the military for over 70 years. Their civilian counterparts are virtually identical to the military version, as they are semi-automatic hand guns. With untold millions of them in circulation. 

The Beretta M9 has been standard military issue since 1986 along with it's civilian variant Model 92 and various variants. Again the civilian counterpart is virtually identical to it's military cousin. And again, untold millions of them in circulation. IO will admit to spending an obscene amount of money on a Wilson Combat Beretta 92G that he absolutely LOVES. the thing is a tack driver. 

Since around 2014ish the military has adopted a new protocol with regards to hand guns, opting for customizable civilian off the shelf weapons. This is not only a cost savings measure but to customize guns to individuals 

So my point being, John Browning created the 1911 specifically for Colt to sell to the US Military. The Beretta was an existing design that was adopted by the US Military. So if we go down the rabbit hole of banning all guns military, this opens a huge can of worms for owners of iconic guns such as the 1911 or the Beretta 92. I'm not sure anyone I know who owns guns who doesn't own at least one of these firearms. Forget the AR-15's and AK-47's, what about the rest of these "weapons of war" that have been "designed to kill"?

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I’m not sure why every discussion of mass shootings ends up being a discussion on gun bans. 

Any law banning guns simply has no chance of ever being enacted in my opinion. I also think it should be immediate political death for anyone to even bring such a law to the table.

We don’t even enforce the gun laws we have now, what makes anyone think a ban can be enforced?

i was encouraged when I saw threats being investigated and arrests made across the Country after El Paso, but is that sustainable? Let’s hope so.

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20 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

I’m not sure why every discussion of mass shootings ends up being a discussion on gun bans. 

Any law banning guns simply has no chance of ever being enacted in my opinion. I also think it should be immediate political death for anyone to even bring such a law to the table.

We don’t even enforce the gun laws we have now, what makes anyone think a ban can be enforced?

i was encouraged when I saw threats being investigated and arrests made across the Country after El Paso, but is that sustainable? Let’s hope so.

Great point, but I'm out of likes for the day, week, month, whatever.

We all see the same thing play out on FB every day and we've had this discussion here countless times. "Gun nuts" are accused of wanting to mire the discussion down in minutia. But the point of my post is that words mean things. Yet during these discussions words and phrases get thrown about interchangeably and in most cases ignorantly, in that the people who use the words just don't understand what they mean. 

To me this is what I find about Francis's "hell yes" statement so offensive. The government is going to forcibly take my legally/lawfully purchased/owned property based on the fact that he doesn't like it. I get it currently there's not a snowball's chance in hell of getting any type of gun bans passed. But at some point, there might be. 

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Saw this today - So I will paste a copy for your perusal.

It’s a Sunday night and your family has all gone to bed. You let the dogs back in and lock the deadbolt like you do every night. All the lights are off now except a couple of night lights scattered throughout the house leaving that dim glow throughout your home. It’s bedtime and work and school are going to come early in the morning. You crawl in bed, kiss your wife and drift off to sleep being thankful for the air conditioning that allows you to pull that heavy quilt up over your shoulder despite the fact it’s still 85 degrees outside. A few hours pass...

0200 Monday morning and your wife taps your leg and says, “baby I heard something outside”. As you sit up in bed you hear the dog growling in the living room and you know something isn’t right. You grab that trusty 'ol 870 and head into the living room. Your wife grabs her 9mm and heads down the hall to the kids rooms just like you have rehearsed. “Good boy” you say as you enter the living room, trying to calm both the dog and your wife just as splinters fly across the room and the front door flies open. “Oh shit!” As you shoulder your weapon and send a load of 00 Buck across your living room and see the perpetrator fall in a heap. Before the “thank God” can even run across your brain, you see a second man coming in the door and you fire again. This time you hear the pop of your wife’s 9mm as she has joined in the fight. It has to be those damn meth heads from down in town! Just then you are consumed by a wall of bullets as you see multiple muzzle flashes from just outside the door and you realize something isn’t right. You turn to yell at your wife to “get down” just in time to see her take a load of buckshot to the face and her brain matter splatter the wall behind her. You feel the burning as 5.56 rounds riddle your body. One clips your spine as you’re scrambling away and paralyzes your lower body. The last thing you see before you bleed out is a SWAT guy from your local PD holding your teenage daughter on the floor with a knee in her back as she screams and cry’s because she just watched her parents being murdered.

Why did this happen? You’re no criminal. You’re a Conservative and an honest family man. Your wife is a school teacher and your daughters are on honor roll. Why did this happen?

Well two days ago, you and your wife went down to welcome the new neighbors to the community. Your wife made them some of her “world famous” cookies and you invited them to church on Sunday. Later that afternoon, you got a friend request on Facebook from your new neighbor, which you gladly accepted. They seemed a little odd, but in the few minutes you talked they were pleasant enough. The next day while you and your family sat in church, your new neighbor scrolled through your Facebook profile. He saw that “Trump 2020” post and got infuriated because he’s a staunch liberal and he hates your kind. The next thing he sees are the hunting pictures you took last fall when your daughter bagged her first buck. Now he’s seething with fury because he is wholeheartedly against the “slaughter of innocent animals”. Next he sees your post from the last range day with your buddy and sees those scary black assault weapons on the table and that does it! He has to do something about the racist, right wing extremist, domestic terrorist living next door. He picks up the phone, calls the local Sheriffs Office and reports you as a threat under the new Red Flag law. The Sheriffs Office follows their SOP’s and conducts a no knock warrant because you have now been denied due process and you are considered guilty until proven innocent.

Now you, your lovely wife and two deputies have been killed for nothing. Your daughter will have absolute hell for the rest of her life. She will never be that successful person you dreamed for her to be because of the mental tragedy caused from seeing her parents murdered. The local news paper will report that you were killed after firing-on, and killing, two deputies and that “over a thousand rounds of ammo and 22 guns were confiscated from your residence”.

Oh... those two deputies were just following orders. They left behind families as well and had served their community for over a decade. They didn’t know you were a stand-up guy with a great family. They weren’t allowed time to investigate things under due process. They were told you had threatened your neighbor and were out in the street waving an AR15 around.

This is the reality of Red Flag gun laws. Innocent people will lose their lives, including police serving these unconstitutional no-knock warrants. Red Flag laws will be used for petty and vengeful reasons without merit by gun hating liberals who believe if you own guns, that it somehow automatically makes you a threat to society and therefore you are a right wing extremist domestic terrorist who MUST be stopped and neutralized at all costs (for the safety of others).

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36 minutes ago, swordfish said:

This is the reality of Red Flag gun laws.

While I disagree with the concept of "Red Flag" gun laws this story is just hyperbole, designed to scare and once again divide liberals and conservatives.

Did this come from the NRA?

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

While I disagree with the concept of "Red Flag" gun laws this story is just hyperbole, designed to scare and once again divide liberals and conservatives.

Did this come from the NRA?

 

 

I hope your right.  I copied it from one of my facebook buddies.  Don't know the author.

It did cause me to question how far will the "red flag" laws allow the LEO's to go once they start down that path.

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https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/18/white-house-toomey-manchin-gop-gun-background-check/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

The White House and Department of Justice (DOJ) have met with multiple Republican senators and congressmen to shop legislation on expanding background checks consistent with the Manchin-Toomey bill, sources familiar with the effort told the Daily Caller.

The Daily Caller obtained a copy of an idea sheet circulating among Republican members, which indicates that the legislation in question would expand background checks to include all commercially advertised unlicensed sales.

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Gotta start somewhere......

 

 

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26 minutes ago, swordfish said:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/18/white-house-toomey-manchin-gop-gun-background-check/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

The White House and Department of Justice (DOJ) have met with multiple Republican senators and congressmen to shop legislation on expanding background checks consistent with the Manchin-Toomey bill, sources familiar with the effort told the Daily Caller.

The Daily Caller obtained a copy of an idea sheet circulating among Republican members, which indicates that the legislation in question would expand background checks to include all commercially advertised unlicensed sales.

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Gotta start somewhere......

 

 

We do?

I can literally book a flight, hotel, and rental car on my phone in less than five minutes, and this is the government's answer to a background check?

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Forget gun laws, these people are making ALL laws. Now if she held something, I would guess what she's talking about something along the lines of a Barrett .50 BMG, which depending on specs weigh in around 30 pounds. AR-15's do not shoot a .50 caliber round and they weigh 7-9 pounds depending on specs. 

Words mean things.

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