Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
DT

Indiana Hoosier Football Reaches Pivot Point

Recommended Posts

9 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

I hear ya...that's different than the Big 10 becoming an NFL training ground.

Remember, it can happen the other way....where IU can be the recepient of players from other Big 10 schools.  Illinois sure benefited from Peters transfer.

IU has a playmaker in Penix, and don't forget Tuttle was a 4 star.  Allen loves Ramsey and was honest with him.  Penix is the starter.  Ramsey will graduate in May, and has earned the right to enter the transfer portal and go where he wishes.  Other P5 conferences have transfers within....Ramsey is picking an excellent school for academics, and where he feels he can compete for the job with his one year remaining.  Good for him.  I think in this particular case, it was win win.

Penix has bulked up and obviously worked hard in the off-season.  Penix does have NFL potential.  Now let's hope he can stay healthy.

 

Agree on all points, with one exception.  No intra conference transfers Would have no problem with Ramsey going to NC State, Vanderbilt, UCinn, Arizona State, whatever.  Just no Big Ten schools.  It will be very disheartening to the IU fan base, which is already quite fragile, to sit back and watch Ramsey take the Cats to the Rose Bowl next year.  That would also reflect poorly on Allen should Penix underperform or get hurt again.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, DT said:

Agree on all points, with one exception.  No intra conference transfers Would have no problem with Ramsey going to NC State, Vanderbilt, UCinn, Arizona State, whatever.  Just no Big Ten schools.  It will be very disheartening to the IU fan base, which is already quite fragile, to sit back and watch Ramsey take the Cats to the Rose Bowl next year.  That would also reflect poorly on Allen should Penix underperform or get hurt again.  

NU is not going to the Rose Bowl next year.  And if they did, good for them.  Ramsey has every right to go to the school that is the best fit for him, just like our children.  I am not away of any other P5 schools than ban interconference transfers.  Cronk went to Iowa...they most likely have a better chance of getting further.  Nothing said about him.

Nothing reflects poorly on Allen in this case.  Ramsey clearly wasn't satisfied in a back up role his final year.  Penix most likely would have left as well.  He kept the best player with the biggest upside and that will be at IU for at least 2 more years.  He also has excellent insurance with Tuttle.  Allen absolutely made the right call, regardless the outcome.  Playing 20-20 after things transpire is for cowards.  He made the best call with the best available information.  It's tough, because Ramsey was a class act and a great player.  But he does not have Penix talent.  That's just reality.

We agree to disagree on allowing interconference transfers.....but it is part of FBS life.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

NU is not going to the Rose Bowl next year.  And if they did, good for them. (The west is weak.  They just might surprise you if Ramsey has a BT MVP type year) Ramsey has every right to go to the school that is the best fit for him, just like our children.  I am not away of any other P5 schools than ban interconference (intraconference)transfers.  Cronk went to Iowa  (linemen are not gamechangers like QBs are) ...they most likely have a better chance of getting further.  Nothing said about him.

Nothing reflects poorly on Allen in this case.(Penix has a history of getting hurt.  Sounds like college head coaches are being held hostage by the whims of their quarterbacks Ramsey clearly wasn't satisfied in a back up role his final year.  Penix most likely would have left as well.  He kept the best player with the biggest upside and that will be at IU for at least 2 more years.  He also has excellent insurance with Tuttle.  Allen absolutely made the right call, regardless the outcome.  Playing 20-20 after things transpire is for cowards.  He made the best call with the best available information.  It's tough, because Ramsey was a class act and a great player.  But he does not have Penix talent.  That's just reality.

We agree to disagree on allowing interconference transfers.....but it is part of FBS life.  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/20/2020 at 11:40 AM, DT said:

 

1) Now Ramsey has the potential for Big 10 MVP?  Man, that sure grew DT.  We are not aligned on that one.  He still has to win the starting job.

2) Being a OL has nothing to do with it.  You stated you would favor banning all intraconference transfers.  Since that goes beyond QB's, you can't just focus solely on the position.  BTW, the Big 10 has had OL's that have had every bit big of an impact than their QB's.  Remember Orlando Pace?  Its not like Big 10 QB's go into the NFL routinely and tear it up.

3) Allen is not being held to any whim.  More than likely, the one that didn't like his decision was bound to go.  He made the decision on the QB he felt had the most upside, to include a longer playing tenure at IU.  One left....I don't blame him.  He stuck around last year when he got the same tough news....thankfully.  I don't blame him for moving on with one year left and an IU degree under his belt.  Good for Ramsey.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

1) Now Ramsey has the potential for Big 10 MVP?  Man, that sure grew DT.  We are not aligned on that one.  He still has to win the starting job.

2) Being a OL has nothing to do with it.  You stated you would favor banning all intraconference transfers.  Since that goes beyond QB's, you can't just focus solely on the position.  BTW, the Big 10 has had OL's that have had every bit big of an impact than their QB's.  Remember Orlando Pace?  Its not like Big 10 QB's go into the NFL routinely and tear it up.

3) Allen is not being held to any whim.  More than likely, the one that didn't like his decision was bound to go.  He made the decision on the QB he felt had the most upside, to include a longer playing tenure at IU.  One left....I don't blame him.  He stuck around last year when he got the same tough news....thankfully.  I don't blame him for moving on with one year left and an IU degree under his belt.  Good for Ramsey.

Im ok with the transfer.  I don't like the fact that it is within the conference.   Most high impact transfers have been  interconference :

Burrow - Ohio State to LSU

Hurts : Alabama to Oklahoma

Fields : Georgia to Ohio State

 

These are win - win transfers.  The player goes to a school with a strong demand for his services and the school doesn't lose a key player to a hated rival.

 

Can you imagine regular transfers among schools like Michigan and Ohio State?  Alabama and LSU?  Clemson and FSU?  Georgia and Florida? 

These schools already control all the high level talent.  Now they basically offer unrestricted free agency to unhappy recruits 

Not a good long term look for ncaa football

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, DT said:

Im ok with the transfer.  I don't like the fact that it is within the conference.   Most high impact transfers have been  interconference :

Burrow - Ohio State to LSU

Hurts : Alabama to Oklahoma

Fields : Georgia to Ohio State

 

These are win - win transfers.  The player goes to a school with a strong demand for his services and the school doesn't lose a key player to a hated rival.

 

Can you imagine regular transfers among schools like Michigan and Ohio State?  Alabama and LSU?  Clemson and FSU?  Georgia and Florida? 

These schools already control all the high level talent.  Now they basically offer unrestricted free agency to unhappy recruits 

Not a good long term look for ncaa football

 

 

 

 

Do you really feel that NW has no chance to win the west?  Are they that far behind WI, IA, MN?

Ramsey could have a very special year and pull a surprise like prior NW teams

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, DT said:

Im ok with the transfer.  I don't like the fact that it is within the conference.   Most high impact transfers have been  interconference :

Burrow - Ohio State to LSU

Hurts : Alabama to Oklahoma

Fields : Georgia to Ohio State

 

These are win - win transfers.  The player goes to a school with a strong demand for his services and the school doesn't lose a key player to a hated rival.

 

Can you imagine regular transfers among schools like Michigan and Ohio State?  Alabama and LSU?  Clemson and FSU?  Georgia and Florida? 

These schools already control all the high level talent.  Now they basically offer unrestricted free agency to unhappy recruits 

Not a good long term look for ncaa football

 

 

 

 

Cam Newton - Florida to Auburn

Baker Mayfield - Texas Tech to Oklahoma

Jeff George - Purdue to Illinois

Not sure I would call Indiana and NW hated rivals.........

I hear you about transferring to heated rivals....I don't see that happening much....don't think that has happened too much over the years.  But I would not call every team in the same conference as heated rivals.  Just not sure that is enough to restrict players from attending the college of their choice.  Especially, if that person had graduated from the first university.  That athlete in my mind has earned the right.  I am also looking at this beyond football for other sports.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, DT said:

Do you really feel that NW has no chance to win the west?  Are they that far behind WI, IA, MN?

Ramsey could have a very special year and pull a surprise like prior NW teams

I don't see them better than those teams and perhaps even Nebraska and Illinois.  But, I could be wrong.  They would need some serious improvement in 1 year to put them up with the Badgers, Hawkeyes and Gophers.

He could have a very good year....I hope he does.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, TrojanDad said:

I don't see them better than those teams and perhaps even Nebraska and Illinois.  But, I could be wrong.  They would need some serious improvement in 1 year to put them up with the Badgers, Hawkeyes and Gophers.

He could have a very good year....I hope he does.  

Fitzy is a good coach, but I’m not sure how much he can do with a so-so grad transfer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Gipper said:

Fitzy is a good coach, but I’m not sure how much he can do with a so-so grad transfer.

I like Ramsey's game...I think he is a good QB and an excellent leader.  He will make NW better.  But to challenge for the Big 10 West championship?  I don't see it.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, TrojanDad said:

I like Ramsey's game...I think he is a good QB and an excellent leader.  He will make NW better.  But to challenge for the Big 10 West championship?  I don't see it.....

Me either.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Gipper said:

Me either.

Didn't NW just recently play Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship game?

The west is wide open

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, DT said:

Didn't NW just recently play Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship game?

The west is wide open

 

Thanks for the intel.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Gipper said:

Thanks for the intel.

https://www.google.com/search?q=northwestern+2020+football+schedule&oq=northwestern+2020+football&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l6.6455j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=t;/m/0c_fdy;6;/m/012hfxch;mt;fp;1;;

 

Interesting schedule.  NW will likely be a dbl digit dog in games against Penn State and Wisconsin.  They have the Badgers at home.

Every other game is a toss up.

They open at a rebuilding and damaged Mich State.

I can see the Cats in contention until late in the season.

Not sold on Minnesota.  

 

Edited by DT

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

2 Year Stanford starting DE and former CG great Jovan Swann IU bound!!  Go Hoosiers!! 

37405990-4EAD-41A4-A9D2-F013A0DD4B95.jpeg

Outstanding.  This is the way its supposed to work.  Interconference transfer between Pac 12 and Big 10.  

Does Swann look like a sure fire starter on the DL?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, DT said:

Outstanding.  This is the way its supposed to work.  Interconference transfer between Pac 12 and Big 10.  

Does Swann look like a sure fire starter on the DL?

🙄  Glad his transfer meets your approval.  I thought you said earlier wasn't a big deal about lineman transferring in the same conference....Coy Cronk comment?  Maybe he wanted to come home and play for an improving program.  Having his Stanford degree, Jovan will be entering IU's Kelley MBA program.

IU has depth and strength on their DL, with some young talent coming up.  Jovan will compete and yes, I think he will be a starter.  I have read that they will want him to beef up and possibly play some interior, along with DE in the Hoosier 4 man front.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

🙄  Glad his transfer meets your approval.  I thought you said earlier wasn't a big deal about lineman transferring in the same conference....Coy Cronk comment?  Maybe he wanted to come home and play for an improving program.  Having his Stanford degree, Jovan will be entering IU's Kelley MBA program.

IU has depth and strength on their DL, with some young talent coming up.  Jovan will compete and yes, I think he will be a starter.  I have read that they will want him to beef up and possibly play some interior, along with DE in the Hoosier 4 man front.

I said that linemen do not have same impact as QBs do when it comes to transfers.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, DT said:

I said that linemen do not have same impact as QBs do when it comes to transfers.  

you did...but you also downplayed Cronk's transfer to Iowa when I used it as an example.  BTW, Cronk has a much better chance of playing at the next level than Ramsey.  

Regardless...not going down that rabbit hole with you again....we just see the issue on transfer differently.  And I will always be glad Baker played at Oklahoma and Cam at Auburn.  George at Illinois??  Maybe not so much.....

Edited by TrojanDad

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, TrojanDad said:

you did...but you also downplayed Cronk's transfer to Iowa when I used it as an example.

Regardless...not going down that rabbit hole with you again....we just see the issue on transfer differently.  And I will always be glad Baker played at Oklahoma and Cam at Auburn.  George at Illinois??  Maybe not so much.....

I think this will become a much bigger issue down the road.  When an intraconference transfer impacts the very top level schools  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...