MIC Week #8

[BTF]

16 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yes.

So why are we comparing them to 2023 then? Look, I understand the history thing, which is why I'm dubbing LN, Brownsburg, or Westfield as the champion. I just just don't think CP is 28pts behind this time. I could see 14 maybe against LN's speed burners in the perfect environment called Lucas Oil..........I think it's still called that, hard to keep track. I think you have a different ball game in the friendly confines of the Crown Point Sportsplex.

Keep all these receipts, please, because there's going to be plenty after Thanksgiving. But I'll be the first to tell you I'm wrong if and when it happens. 

[temptation]

Just now, Jetackow said:

CP is a strong potential opponent this year, and the as it has been stated on this site many times have many unknowns surrounding their progress. This make them even more dangerous. Despite last year’s 28-point loss, they’ve shown significant improvement (but clearly isn’t known here) which means they shouldn’t be underestimated. Facing a team like CP not only challenges strengths but also prepares for high-pressure situations. With CP hunger for redemption and the unpredictability of their growth, CP poses a serious threat, and ignoring them could be a costly mistake.

Trust me…a bunch of internet message buses guys “ignoring” CP (your words) won’t make a bit of difference next month, lol.

You are viewing things in a vacuum as if other teams are incapable of improvement.

Hell, LN went from mid pack of the MIC to state title contender overnight.

[Jetackow]

Just now, temptation said:

Trust me…a bunch of internet message buses guys “ignoring” CP (your words) won’t make a bit of difference next month, lol.

You are viewing things in a vacuum as if other teams are incapable of improvement.

Hell, LN went from mid pack of the MIC to state title contender overnight.

When did I say no one else improved. NEVER. 

[BTF]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Trust me…a bunch of internet message buses guys “ignoring” CP (your words) won’t make a bit of difference next month, lol.

You are viewing things in a vacuum as if other teams are incapable of improvement.

Hell, LN went from mid pack of the MIC to state title contender overnight.

He hasn't been around long, but something tells me that Jetackow isn't stupid. He's observing something right now that no one in Fort Wayne or Indy is capable of. 

I mean, if this was coming from Cody, that would be another story. 

2 minutes ago, Jetackow said:

When did I say no one else improved. NEVER. 

He's listening to Fastpace for some reason. Love ya Temp, but damn. 

[Jetackow]

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

Trust me…a bunch of internet message buses guys “ignoring” CP (your words) won’t make a bit of difference next month, lol.

You are viewing things in a vacuum as if other teams are incapable of improvement.

Hell, LN went from mid pack of the MIC to state title contender overnight.

I am 99.9% sure that neither of our words on a forum will have ZERO impact come next month or next year. Again, never said anything about other teams and improvement. I have watched many teams - you know nothing about me or what I do and that is ok. I enjoy reading your posts and seeing your insights. But I am not seeing things inside of a vacuum. If I had time and energy I would go to all the posts from earlier this season (including a week or two ago) where things about teams were said and then all of a sudden changed all within the Indy teams and how great they, are not great, they are they are going to win it al, best offense, best defense, horrible, etc and show how you all  make claims and backtrack without people calling out I would. It is crazy how much you all claim things and then change it (within weeks/days).

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Jetackow said:

I am 99.9% sure that neither of our words on a forum will have ZERO impact come next month or next year. Again, never said anything about other teams and improvement. I have watched many teams - you know nothing about me or what I do and that is ok. I enjoy reading your posts and seeing your insights. But I am not seeing things inside of a vacuum. If I had time and energy I would go to all the posts from earlier this season (including a week or two ago) where things about teams were said and then all of a sudden changed all within the Indy teams and how great they, are not great, they are they are going to win it al, best offense, best defense, horrible, etc and show how you all  make claims and backtrack without people calling out I would. It is crazy how much you all claim things and then change it (within weeks/days).

Stop speaking so vaguely.  Pull the receipts.

[Footballking16]

2 hours ago, Jetackow said:

CP is a strong potential opponent this year, and as it has been stated on this site have many unknowns surrounding their progress. This make them even more dangerous. Despite last year’s 28-point loss, they’ve shown significant improvement (but clearly isn’t known here) which means they shouldn’t be underestimated. Facing a team like CP not only challenges strengths but also prepares for high-pressure situations. With CP hunger for redemption and the unpredictability of their growth, CP poses a serious threat, and ignoring them could be a costly mistake.

I don’t doubt CP is a good football team this year. That being said, they’d still be a decided underdog against whomever from the South bracket if they are fortunate enough to get there.

[Komets2727]

3 hours ago, Jetackow said:

CP is a strong potential opponent this year, and as it has been stated on this site have many unknowns surrounding their progress. This make them even more dangerous. Despite last year’s 28-point loss, they’ve shown significant improvement (but clearly isn’t known here) which means they shouldn’t be underestimated. Facing a team like CP not only challenges strengths but also prepares for high-pressure situations. With CP hunger for redemption and the unpredictability of their growth, CP poses a serious threat, and ignoring them could be a costly mistake.

Ok I guess I am going to take the bait here. I have been the flag bearer for all teams North for years. CP would be a 5-3 team right now if they were playing the schedule that Indy teams are playing. You are very much sounding like Merrillville fan a couple years ago on here stating that with their 45 D1 players, they were unstoppable. We know the end of that story… Been the same story for years in 6A. I want the North to be competitive in 6A, but I need to see it first, I am now part of the show me, not tell me. Time to put up or shut up for CP fans

[Jetackow]

13 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Ok I guess I am going to take the bait here. I have been the flag bearer for all teams North for years. CP would be a 5-3 team right now if they were playing the schedule that Indy teams are playing. You are very much sounding like Merrillville fan a couple years ago on here stating that with their 45 D1 players, they were unstoppable. We know the end of that story… Been the same story for years in 6A. I want the North to be competitive in 6A, but I need to see it first, I am now part of the show me, not tell me. Time to put up or shut up for CP fans

I want to reiterate that the point of my post wasn’t to claim that CP will win or should win State. I’m not here to guarantee outcomes. Instead, my focus was on addressing the general perception—or lack thereof—about CP and other schools that aren’t from Indy. My intention was to draw attention to how CP, despite being a strong team, this year, is often overlooked on this site.

This is Coach Buz's 4th year at CP. It is clear every year he has been there, the team has improved. CP was not a football school before Buz--again, last year was the first time the school EVER made it to state. Accordingly, I NEVER said CP was unstoppable, or anything of that nature. ALL I stated was that they had improved. I never even stated that they were guaranteed to get to state!

[Jetackow]

1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

I don’t doubt CP is a good football team this year. That being said, they’d still be a decided underdog against whomever from the South bracket if they are fortunate enough to get there.

agreed. 

[temptation]

13 minutes ago, Jetackow said:

I want to reiterate that the point of my post wasn’t to claim that CP will win or should win State. I’m not here to guarantee outcomes. Instead, my focus was on addressing the general perception—or lack thereof—about CP and other schools that aren’t from Indy. My intention was to draw attention to how CP, despite being a strong team, this year, is often overlooked on this site.

This is Coach Buz's 4th year at CP. It is clear every year he has been there, the team has improved. CP was not a football school before Buz--again, last year was the first time the school EVER made it to state. Accordingly, I NEVER said CP was unstoppable, or anything of that nature. ALL I stated was that they had improved. I never even stated that they were guaranteed to get to state!

You directly said THEY WILL WIN STATE, lol.

 

[Jetackow]

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

You directly said THEY WILL WIN STATE, lol.

 

That was not me but good try. 

[Jetackow]

On 10/12/2024 at 5:47 PM, Jetackow said:

I have ZERO fight in the game. I love high school sports, but I think many schools, including smaller ones and those not based in Indy, like CP often get overlooked on this site

CP is much better than last year. Do you know how many current seniors are committed to playing D1 next year or how many juniors already have D1 offers? Maybe that’s something worth noting. It seems the stats of all the Indy teams, even the ones that aren’t doing great, are widely known. You both admit CP is good, yet they remain an unknown. Who exactly is better than CP in the North bracket, and what is that opinion based on? Judging by the posts, it’s clear there isn’t much familiarity with CP, despite their unexpected run at State last year. Is this lack of interest simply because "Indy is Indy?" Even the schools you claim aren't great in Indy manage to keep games close against these Indy powerhouse teams, who suddenly in week 8 is listed as number 5 and 6.

Yes, many 6A Indy (and surrounding area) teams are fantastic, and Indy has been the center of powerhouse football for at least two decades. It would be great if CP could play more regular season games against 6A Indy powerhouses. Unfortunately, the DAC isn't strong. But logistically, CP would have to travel two hours to face teams like Brownsburg, Center Grove, Carmel, Warren, and Westfield, and there's also the time zone difference. It even takes 1.5 hours just to get to Penn/Elkhart (and there is also a time zone difference there too)! Meanwhile, Indy teams have much shorter trips and remain in the same time zone. Hopefully, CP can schedule a good 6A opponent next season and make it work, and continue to make their schedule stronger. Just imagine the force they will be. Coach Buz took them to state after only being there for 3 years.

I admit, many 6A Indy teams are great and Indy has had the powerhouses for 2 decades now at least. It would be awesome if CP would have more regular season games against 6A teams, or some of the Indy powerhouses. The DAC is not great. But think about it, it takes 2 hours for CP to get to Brownsburg, Center Grove, Carmel, Westfield, LN,  and Warren - and there is also an hour time difference. Heck, it takes 1 1/2 hours to get from CP to Penn/Elkhart and there is an hour time difference as well. It takes the Indy teams generally less than an hour to get to each other and is in the same time zone. Hopefully, CP can add a game next season against another 6A team that will is good and make it work out.

This season, CP has had a running clock by halftime in all 8 games. CP’s 1st team defense has shut out opponents in the first half in 7 of those 8 games. The stats are impressive, especially considering the starters mostly only play the first half (sometimes just the first quarter). Often, both the starters and backups take a knee on extra points or focus on other aspects of the game instead of running up the score. CP has committed just one turnover (a fumble) and has thrown zero interceptions this season.

Here’s a look at CP’s 2024 season games:

• Lowell: 44-7
• Arizona College Preparatory: 42-7
• Merrillville: 46-13
• Lake Central: 42-14
• Portage: 58-20
• Valparaiso: 41-6
• LaPorte: 42-0
• Chesterton: 41-7

For comparison, here are some of CP’s "closer" games from 2023 along with Tournament games:

• Merrillville: 39-6
• Lake Central: 38-12
• Valparaiso: 19-14
• Chesterton: 21-7
• Lafayette Jefferson (Sectional Semi-Final): 42-10
• Lake Central (Sectional Championship): 42-7
• Penn (Regional): 34-33
• Westfield (Semi-State): 38-31
• Ben Davis (State): 38-10

Even with a weaker schedule, CP only lost to Ben Davis by 28 points in the State Championship last year. That was CP’s first-ever trip to State in football, and Coach Buzea was only in his 3rd season while battling cancer throughout his tenure as a coach during those 3 years at CP. Losing by 4 TDs in their first trip to State with a weaker schedule is pretty impressive, especially considering other teams that have been to State before have lost by similar margins.

Last year, CP only beat Valpo by 5 points. This year, CP beat Valpo by 35 points. Penn, who beat Valpo by 17 points last year, barely scraped by with a 7-point win this season. Penn is 6-2 this year, with losses to Mishawaka (7-27) and Elkhart (3-7). Both Elkhart and Penn played New Prairie—Elkhart won by 3, while Penn won by 17. If a Penn/CP game happens, I think it will be a good game, however, I think it will be a MUCH different game than it was last year. If the Penn/Elkhart was a close game and Penn/Valpo was a close game, there is little reason to believe otherwise, especially with the New Prarie game for both teams. If CP makes it out of Sectional 1, then they will have to the winners of Sectional 2 for Sectional Finals, so Carroll, Elkhart, FW Northrop, or FW Snider. If CP is Sectional 1/2 Champion and moves on to Regionals, they will play the Sectional 3/4 Champion, so either Carmel, Harrison (West Lafayette), Westfield, Zionsville, Fishers, HSE, Homestead Noblesville. Last year, everyone thought CP would be out at Regionals, just like everyone thought that Brownsburg or Centergrove would go further. All those assumptions were wrong. In fact, CP dominated Regional game and Semi-state game, however, in the 2nd half they allowed way to many mistakes which allowed Penn and Westfield to get back into the game and make it too close for comfort. Hopefully, CP learned from the mistakes, and are stronger and better for it.

I’m not sure how the rest of the season will play out, but I think CP and Coach Buzea are ready to make some noise for the North. They’re hungry for it! If 

 

On 10/12/2024 at 6:22 PM, Jetackow said:

LOFL is ALL you got out of all of that. You claim that while your an Indy guy it would be amazing for them to pull it off, yet you literally show zero zero inkling of wanting know know anything about them. 

 

On 10/12/2024 at 6:29 PM, Jetackow said:

Again, as you said earlier- Taking the IMG game out of the equation last year, BD won itsregular season games by an average of 30.1 points per game.

so cp actually did better than it’s average regular season opponents. 

 

23 hours ago, Jetackow said:

I didn’t necessarily mean to target you only, it was that you posted last. I am sorry it was taken out on you. And I’m not saying they should necessarily be favored, just be given some thought or at least watched, looked into, something. And yes, seeing it to believe it is necessary. Otherwise it is all talk. But with the way many of the powerhouses have been this season, I think that the right team can do it. However, until it happens, it is all speculation. And I don’t know if it will be CP, or if it will happen by the north anytime soon, but it would be nice when there is talent teams are at least not afterthought. 

 

4 hours ago, Jetackow said:

Ben Davis deserved to win last year. They were phenomenal. And, It wasn’t bragging when i stated that CP lost by 28 points, it was stating a fact. I was at the game and I admitted that it was hard to watch and I admit it was not fun to see a team lose by 28 at state. temp stated that during regular season, Ben Davis beat their opponent on average by more than that. Again, everyone always talks about how SOS matters. So does SOS not matter for CP during their first ever state appearance when it was still less than the average for Ben Davis opponents? My original post was to state that the Indy people don’t even care to look at teams in the North. I was sharing facts as these teams get completely overlooked despite their impressive work this year. 

 

4 hours ago, Jetackow said:

CP is a strong potential opponent this year, and as it has been stated on this site have many unknowns surrounding their progress. This make them even more dangerous. Despite last year’s 28-point loss, they’ve shown significant improvement (but clearly isn’t known here) which means they shouldn’t be underestimated. Facing a team like CP not only challenges strengths but also prepares for high-pressure situations. With CP hunger for redemption and the unpredictability of their growth, CP poses a serious threat, and ignoring them could be a costly mistake.

 

4 hours ago, Jetackow said:

When did I say no one else improved. NEVER. 

 

4 hours ago, Jetackow said:

I am 99.9% sure that neither of our words on a forum will have ZERO impact come next month or next year. Again, never said anything about other teams and improvement. I have watched many teams - you know nothing about me or what I do and that is ok. I enjoy reading your posts and seeing your insights. But I am not seeing things inside of a vacuum. If I had time and energy I would go to all the posts from earlier this season (including a week or two ago) where things about teams were said and then all of a sudden changed all within the Indy teams and how great they, are not great, they are they are going to win it al, best offense, best defense, horrible, etc and show how you all  make claims and backtrack without people calling out I would. It is crazy how much you all claim things and then change it (within weeks/days).

 

44 minutes ago, Jetackow said:

I want to reiterate that the point of my post wasn’t to claim that CP will win or should win State. I’m not here to guarantee outcomes. Instead, my focus was on addressing the general perception—or lack thereof—about CP and other schools that aren’t from Indy. My intention was to draw attention to how CP, despite being a strong team, this year, is often overlooked on this site.

This is Coach Buz's 4th year at CP. It is clear every year he has been there, the team has improved. CP was not a football school before Buz--again, last year was the first time the school EVER made it to state. Accordingly, I NEVER said CP was unstoppable, or anything of that nature. ALL I stated was that they had improved. I never even stated that they were guaranteed to get to state!

 

41 minutes ago, Jetackow said:

agreed. 

Please tell me where I stated they will win state in my posts above?

[temptation]

17 minutes ago, Jetackow said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please tell me where I stated they will win state in my posts above?

My bad.  Got you mixed up with another poster.

[Jetackow]

15 minutes ago, temptation said:

My bad.  Got you mixed up with another poster.

No problem - it happens. 

[BTF]

2 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

CP would be a 5-3 team right now if they were playing the schedule that Indy teams are playing. 

C'mon Komets, which CP game have you seen this year?

[temptation]

Here’s a thought….

Is it also possible that Valpo, Penn and Merrillville (CP’s three biggest wins) AREN’T as good as they were last year?

I mean, this can go both directions…

[Komets2727]

53 minutes ago, BTF said:

C'mon Komets, which CP game have you seen this year?

Bits and pieces of a couple games. Hey, they got to prove they can punch with the big boys. Beating the posers up North isn’t cutting it for me

Edited October 14, 2024 by Komets2727

[Jetackow]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Here’s a thought….

Is it also possible that Valpo, Penn and Merrillville (CP’s three biggest wins) AREN’T as good as they were last year?

I mean, this can go both directions…

It absolutely does go both ways, however that also means it goes both ways for the teams in Indy. While it has been stated by numerous posters that CP is unknown (because realistically I am guessing those posters don’t knows anything about those teams or has watched them). But I have watched and been to numerous games by these Indy teams and have also been to games in Fort Wayne and also in northwest Indiana. 

[temptation]

5 minutes ago, Jetackow said:

It absolutely does go both ways, however that also means it goes both ways for the teams in Indy. While it has been stated by numerous posters that CP is unknown (because realistically I am guessing those posters don’t knows anything about those teams or has watched them). But I have watched and been to numerous games by these Indy teams and have also been to games in Fort Wayne and also in northwest Indiana. 

I’d love to see a list of games you’ve attended in 2024.

[Jetackow]

4 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Bits and pieces of a couple games. Hey, they got to prove they can punch with the big boys. Beating the posers up North isn’t cutting it for me

Bits and pieces - therefore you assume what the record would be. I think people need to taking reading and comprehending classes here. again, my post was about predicting CP’s future success or claiming they should win against Indy powerhouses. It’s about giving CP and schools like them the recognition they deserve for what they’ve accomplished, while acknowledging the very real challenges they face. CP is hungry for success, and whether they get there or not, they’ve earned the right to be part of the conversation.

 

[Jetackow]

5 minutes ago, temptation said:

I’d love to see a list of games you’ve attended in 2024.

Again you don’t know me or what I do for a living. I guarantee I have attended more 6A games in Indiana - and specifically between a variety of 6A schools

[Jetackow]

15 minutes ago, Jetackow said:

Valpo, Penn and Merrillville

I do not believe that CP has played Penn this year. 

[temptation]

7 minutes ago, Jetackow said:

Again you don’t know me or what I do for a living. I guarantee I have attended more 6A games in Indiana - and specifically between a variety of 6A schools

Show the list, pull these supposed receipts about “claiming things and then changing it (within weeks/days)” too while you’re at it. 

It’s almost as if things can change as more data (games) is/are added to the equation huh?

Mind blowing!

1 minute ago, Jetackow said:

I do not believe that CP has played Penn this year. 

Good call…but Valpo has.

Edited October 14, 2024 by temptation

[Jetackow]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

Show the list, pull these supposed receipts about “claiming things and then changing it (within weeks/days)” too while you’re at it. 

It’s almost as if things can change as more data (games) is/are added to the equation huh?

Mind blowing!

Good call…but Valpo has.

I don’t have time to go through every time from every post from different days. Sunday is a day I don’t work.and the Valpo game was atrocious by both teams. I was at part of this game. I do not need to show my list as it is part of my job and honestly I do not care if you believe me or not. But what I have said to date on here has not been wrong it has been all facts. You just haven’t liked what I have said. Again never said CP will win/should win/deserve to win/ect