MIC Week #8

[Komets2727]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

1)  I'm not sure anyone touted them as the state champ, not saying I'm right, just need the receipt. 

2) This is CP's year, not Snider's. With a stagnated student enrollment at 1800 with no signs of growth, the new norm in Northern Indiana will likely go through Crown Point and Carroll (given Buzea and Dinan stick around.)

3)  Absolutely. I'm not betting on an even up win for the north anytime soon. But to state that THIS YEAR'S Crown Point Team would have three or four losses on their schedule as FACT is still a little bit of bias. Sorry, it just is. 

4)  I don't mind a friendly bet. I'll take Crown Point against Westfield this year. Give me 10 points since it's been decided that Indy is still light years ahead of anyone up north. Gimmie 14 points when CP takes on Lawrence North. I think that's fair. 

Lol, so you are from Indy, glad we got that out of the way. 

To be fair, you have said for a few years with enrollment where it is that the road thru the North goes thru Carroll and Snider would fall behind. Don’t really think that has happened.

You want points in a high school game? CP beat Westfield last year. Guess you are thinking LN is going to represent the South, I am not there yet. Lots of good teams . Much easier to say who will get there in the North I think.

[FastpacedO]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Lol, so you are from Indy, glad we got that out of the way. 

Not sure what it has to do with it, but no I don't live in Indianapolis.

[FastpacedO]

41 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

To be fair, you have said for a few years with enrollment where it is that the road thru the North goes thru Carroll and Snider would fall behind. Don’t really think that has happened.

You want points in a high school game? CP beat Westfield last year. Guess you are thinking LN is going to represent the South, I am not there yet. Lots of good teams . Much easier to say who will get there in the North I think.

I feel Crown Point or Westfield as the heavy favorite. Carroll, Hamilton Southeastern, and Fishers could be spoilers (if Fishers QB is healthy of course).

 

From the South Brownsburg and Lawrence North are the favorites. Cathedral, Center Grove, Warren Central are the spoilers.

[FastpacedO]

12 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

What the Hell does Dwenger have to do with my statement? Reading comprehension might be an issue here

There is no reading comprehension issue Dwenger has nothing to do with your statement. It is what BTF is harboring over from the Cathedral vs Roncalli thread thus the personal attacks, belittling, and name-calling etc. You stated you are with him on everything else except what I posted about Crown Point breakdown vs a Indy schedule. So I stated "it is all good" and  asking "Shouldn’t Dwenger have a better record than 1-8 to be considered on equal footing” means you (me in other words) have a vendetta against all of Fort Wayne. Even though I have no bad words for Fort Wayne.

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

To be fair, you have said for a few years with enrollment where it is that the road thru the North goes thru Carroll and Snider would fall behind. Don’t really think that has happened.

You want points in a high school game? CP beat Westfield last year. Guess you are thinking LN is going to represent the South, I am not there yet. Lots of good teams . Much easier to say who will get there in the North I think.

Am I mistaken in stating that Carroll has won 4 of the last 5 against Snider?

[temptation]

1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:

I feel Crown Point or Westfield as the heavy favorite. Carroll, Hamilton Southeastern, and Fishers could be spoilers (if Fishers QB is healthy of course).

 

From the South Brownsburg and Lawrence North are the favorites. Cathedral, Center Grove, Warren Central are the spoilers.

Heavy favorite?  Wow.  Not willing to go that far.

Let’s lay some percentages on each region.

I’ll start.

North:

Westfield - 35%
Crown Point - 20%
HSE - 15%
Fishers - 15%
Carroll - 10%
Field - 5%
 

South:

Lawrence North - 25%
Brownsburg - 25%
Cathedral - 20%
Center Grove - 15%
Warren - 10%
Field - 5%

What say you?

[Footballking16]

10 minutes ago, temptation said:

Heavy favorite?  Wow.  Not willing to go that far.

Let’s lay some percentages on each region.

I’ll start.

North:

Westfield - 35%
Crown Point - 20%
HSE - 15%
Fishers - 15%
Carroll - 10%
Field - 5%
 

South:

Lawrence North - 25%
Brownsburg - 25%
Cathedral - 20%
Center Grove - 15%
Warren - 10%
Field - 5%

What say you?

I'd put Brownsburg higher as they have much easier route out of sectionals. 

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I'd put Brownsburg higher as they have much easier route out of sectionals. 

Good point.

[FastpacedO]

46 minutes ago, temptation said:

Heavy favorite?  Wow.  Not willing to go that far.

Let’s lay some percentages on each region.

I’ll start.

North:

Westfield - 35%
Crown Point - 20%
HSE - 15%
Fishers - 15%
Carroll - 10%
Field - 5%
 

South:

Lawrence North - 25%
Brownsburg - 25%
Cathedral - 20%
Center Grove - 15%
Warren - 10%
Field - 5%

What say you?

Perhaps heavy was too harsh of a term. I have:

North:

Westfield 40%

Crown point 25%

HSE 10%

Fishers 10%

Carroll 10%

Field 5%

 

South:

Brownsburg 30%

Lawrence North 25%

Cathedral 15%

Center Grove 15%

Warren Central 10%

Field 5% 

[Komets2727]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Am I mistaken in stating that Carroll has won 4 of the last 5 against Snider?

No you would be correct sir 

[temptation]

9 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

No you would be correct sir 

So part of his statement is true.  Carroll has surpassed Snider just as not been able to take the next step.

[WestfieldRocks]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Heavy favorite?  Wow.  Not willing to go that far.

Let’s lay some percentages on each region.

I’ll start.

North:

Westfield - 35%
Crown Point - 20%
HSE - 15%
Fishers - 15%
Carroll - 10%
Field - 5%
 

South:

Lawrence North - 25%
Brownsburg - 25%
Cathedral - 20%
Center Grove - 15%
Warren - 10%
Field - 5%

What say you?

I'd put Westfield at a higher % if the game against CP were played here. For some reason,, I would not discount Carmel. They should have a win at Zionsville, meaning a Westfield/Carmel rematch would be at Camel for the third straight year. Carmel played them tough at Westfield back in week #2.

[Komets2727]

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

So part of his statement is true.  Carroll has surpassed Snider just as not been able to take the next step.

Snider is 7-6 against Carroll since Carroll came to the SAC in 2015 so let’s not get ahead of ourselves Temp

[temptation]

4 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Snider is 7-6 against Carroll since Carroll came to the SAC in 2015 so let’s not get ahead of ourselves Temp

Yeah, but 4 out of 5 is much more damning and a reflection of a trend in my opinion.

Seems like similar to what’s happening here in Indy.

Folks were in denial when Brownsburg started beating Ben Davis…

Folks were in denial when Center Grove started beating Warren Central…

Edited October 15, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yeah, but 4 out of 5 is much more damning and a reflection of a trend in my opinion.

Seems like similar to what’s happening here in Indy.

Folks were in denial when Brownsburg started beating Ben Davis…

Folks were in denial when Center Grove started beating Warren Central…

I would agree with you, but it could just as easily be 3-2 Snider in favor of Snider in the last 5 games. There was a one point loss and another three point loss in there as well. Hard to say that is a trend. I would be with you on this if Carroll was beating Snider by double digits every game 

[temptation]

Just now, Komets2727 said:

I would agree with you, but it could just as easily be 3-2 Snider in favor of Snider in the last 5 games. There was a one point loss and another three point loss in there as well. Hard to say that is a trend. I would be with you on this if Carroll was beating Snider by double digits every game 

C’mon now.  I have too much respect for Snider for you to claim “moral victories” on their behalf.

[BTF]

7 hours ago, temptation said:

Yep.  “Rookie” shouldn’t seem so bad compared so some of the names being called in this thread.

Yikes man.

My "no filter" zone is treading up. Forum's been stagnant. 

The "rookie" accusation was dead on accurate if you ask me. No offense taken.

Edited October 15, 2024 by BTF

[Komets2727]

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

C’mon now.  I have too much respect for Snider for you to claim “moral victories” on their behalf.

You’re better than that Temp. No moral victories for Snider ever. 

Carroll 29-28 2021

Carroll 28-21 2022

Snider 27-24 2023

Carroll 30-6 2024

Legit D1 QB makes a big difference period. Put Sullivan on Snider and you are talking state title in 2022 & 2023 in 5A and serious contender in 6A in 2024. The QB position is the most impactful position in football and you have a D1 power 5 QB, it makes a huge difference. If Carroll wins over Snider the next 2-3 years without Sullivan carrying them, yeah, then it is a trend. 
 

 

[temptation]

11 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

You’re better than that Temp. No moral victories for Snider ever. 

Carroll 29-28 2021

Carroll 28-21 2022

Snider 27-24 2023

Carroll 30-6 2024

Legit D1 QB makes a big difference period. Put Sullivan on Snider and you are talking state title in 2022 & 2023 in 5A and serious contender in 6A in 2024. The QB position is the most impactful position in football and you have a D1 power 5 QB, it makes a huge difference. If Carroll wins over Snider the next 2-3 years without Sullivan carrying them, yeah, then it is a trend. 
 

 

Sullivan a 5th year senior?

[Komets2727]

21 minutes ago, temptation said:

Sullivan a 5th year senior?

That’s 4 years, to be fair, he did not play as a freshman in 2021 vs. Snider so Sullivan is 2-1 vs. Snider

Edited October 15, 2024 by Komets2727

[temptation]

1 minute ago, Komets2727 said:

That’s 4 years, to be fair, he did not play as a freshman in 2021 vs. Snider so Sullivan is 2-1 vs. Snider

And guys not named Sullivan are 2-0?

[Komets2727]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

And guys not named Sullivan are 2-0?

Listen, bait somewhere else, I am good with Snider being 7-6 vs. Carroll right now. I will become more concerned if they beat Snider the next 2 years. Hell, if they play again this year, I fully expect Carroll to win again.  I have been honest all year that Snider lacks a good offense so no excuses from me. 

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

You’re better than that Temp. No moral victories for Snider ever. 

Carroll 29-28 2021

Carroll 28-21 2022

Snider 27-24 2023

Carroll 30-6 2024

Legit D1 QB makes a big difference period. Put Sullivan on Snider and you are talking state title in 2022 & 2023 in 5A and serious contender in 6A in 2024. The QB position is the most impactful position in football and you have a D1 power 5 QB, it makes a huge difference. If Carroll wins over Snider the next 2-3 years without Sullivan carrying them, yeah, then it is a trend. 
 

 

To be fair, 2022 had nothing to do with quarterback play. Snider was a snowstorm away from taking state. 

Agree, if Sullivan was leading the Snider offense this year, they'd be a legitimate contender in the north. Could Snider pull off the upset against Carroll, Westfield, or CP this year in their current state of affairs? Sure, but I'm not very bullish. Offense would have to continue to improve and defense would have to be near perfect. 

[Komets2727]

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

To be fair, 2022 had nothing to do with quarterback play. Snider was a snowstorm away from taking state. 

Agree, if Sullivan was leading the Snider offense this year, they'd be a legitimate contender in the north. Could Snider pull off the upset against Carroll, Westfield, or CP this year in their current state of affairs? Sure, but I'm not very bullish. Offense would have to continue to improve and defense would have to be near perfect. 

You are right, but my point is a D1 QB makes a ton of difference and has a huge impact on a game. You are more optimistic about Snider come playoff time than I am. It is no sure thing that Snider goes to Elkhart and wins. Then comes Carroll and then Westfield and then Crown Point and then a team from the South. Not likely. Last year, I would be on board 100%.

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

You are right, but my point is a D1 QB makes a ton of difference and has a huge impact on a game. You are more optimistic about Snider come playoff time than I am. It is no sure thing that Snider goes to Elkhart and wins. Then comes Carroll and then Westfield and then Crown Point and then a team from the South. Not likely. Last year, I would be on board 100%.

So, we’ve sorta conceded that Carroll is going to eliminate Snider in a potential tournament rematch, making it 5 of the last 6 for the Chargers?

Sorry, that’s a trend.