Pre-Season Poll (inspired by Temp)

[temptation]

23 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

They have a kid committed to Alabama (Finch) and another trending towards Ohio State on that side of the ball. Believe they pulled in a few transfers as well who have D1 offers. Unless their new coach is in completely over his head, they'll be a tough out for anybody. 

Easy now.  Elkins has a Michigan offer.

In all seriousness though, Warren will be fine on that side of the ball particularly.

I maintain they would have been better off in many instances last fall, just punting before 4th down anytime they got behind the sticks.  Their offense was the worst I’d ever seen for a 10 win team.

(I recommend this for Iowa football annually also.)

Edited July 9, 2025 by temptation

[23andCounting]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

Easy now.  Elkins has a Michigan offer.

In all seriousness though, Warren will be fine on that side of the ball particularly.

I maintain they would have been better off in many instances last fall, just punting before 4th down anytime they got behind the sticks.  Their offense was the worst I’d ever seen for a 10 win team.

(I recommend this for Iowa football annually also.)

Last year, I want to say Warren had a 1st and over half the field against Snider. Between 50 & 60 yards I believe. 

[temptation]

9 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Last year, I want to say Warren had a 1st and over half the field against Snider. Between 50 & 60 yards I believe. 

Every time they breathed on the ball, they turned it over.

[Komets2727]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Every time they breathed on the ball, they turned it over.

It’s why I disputed with you so hard on Warren’s legitimacy as a true state title contender last year. Defense was great, offense was trash

[23andCounting]

9 minutes ago, temptation said:

Every time they breathed on the ball, they turned it over.

They had enough talent to overcome their shortcomings. That's really what it came down to. And the 15 pts they scored against Snider was the second highest output for any team on Snider's schedule. Lot's of talent on that team.

Edited July 9, 2025 by 23andCounting

[Rodney]

nobody wants to admit that there wasn't a team in Indiana keeping ec out of the endzone in 2023 feelsbad

 

but its ok! the fort wayne guys would argue that snider could make a game vs Notre Dame as well any given year



(before someone starts, no i think BD would have handily beat them, but ec was absolutely going to score some points)

[temptation]

59 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

It’s why I disputed with you so hard on Warren’s legitimacy as a true state title contender last year. Defense was great, offense was trash

Their best offense was once they got in the red zone to give the ball to their middle linebacker in the wildcat, lol.

[BDGiant93]

On 7/7/2025 at 10:32 PM, 23andCounting said:

Insert Carroll instead of Valpo (typo on Temp's part). Otherwise, respected his wish to include all MIC and HCC programs and the others he mentioned. This poll is a combination of last year's results + whether a program has trended up, down, or sideways through the past four seasons. 

1.  Brownsburg

2.  Lawrence North

3.  Westfield

4.  Center Grove

5.  Ben Davis

6.  Crown Point

7.  Hamilton Southeastern

8.  Cathedral

9.  Fishers

10. New Pal

11.  Carmel

12.  Pike

13.  Lawrence Central

14.  Snider

15.  Carroll

16.  Avon

17,  Noblesville

18.  Franklin Central

19.  Chatard

20.  Warren Central

21.  Zionsville

22.  Merrillville

23.  Roncalli

24.  East Central

25.  North Central

 

Ben Davis at #5 feels too high. Glad to be wrong. I just know the Giants and the staff have a lot of work to do. Tough sledding for the other three teams in the Sectional with Brownsburg, too.

[temptation]

22 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Ben Davis at #5 feels too high. Glad to be wrong. I just know the Giants and the staff have a lot of work to do. Tough sledding for the other three teams in the Sectional with Brownsburg, too.

Whose in line to be the signal caller this fall at BD?

[Komets2727]

On 7/9/2025 at 5:41 PM, Rodney said:

nobody wants to admit that there wasn't a team in Indiana keeping ec out of the endzone in 2023 feelsbad

 

but its ok! the fort wayne guys would argue that snider could make a game vs Notre Dame as well any given year



(before someone starts, no i think BD would have handily beat them, but ec was absolutely going to score some points)

Well, to hear you tell it , EC would have given the Kansas City Chiefs a run for their money that year. 

[23andCounting]

On 7/9/2025 at 5:41 PM, Rodney said:

nobody wants to admit that there wasn't a team in Indiana keeping ec out of the endzone in 2023 feelsbad

 

but its ok! the fort wayne guys would argue that snider could make a game vs Notre Dame as well any given year



(before someone starts, no i think BD would have handily beat them, but ec was absolutely going to score some points)

Good grief Rodney, you're being a bit dramatic here. For the record, I think Ben Davis was the best team in the state of Indiana in 2023. I think Brownsburg and Center Grove were right there if memory serves me correctly. I've pretty much kept my opinion regarding Snider vs EC on the downlow knowing that it would hurt a lot of feelings. People were saying the same thing about New Pal back in 2015 before they found themselves on the short end of a blowout down 42-14 half way through the second quarter. Look, you can't ignore Snider outscoring Warren Central, Decatur Central, and Merrillville by a combined 103-26. They gave up two offensive touchdowns, one special teams touchdown, and two field goals in those three contests. Saying that Snider could or would have beaten East Central is far from being unrealistic. It's actually responsible. 

Flattered by the Notre Dame comparison though.

[BDGiant93]

17 hours ago, temptation said:

Whose in line to be the signal caller this fall at BD?

That's a good question! That's why I think 5 feels too high. 

[BDGiant93]

11 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

Good grief Rodney, you're being a bit dramatic here. For the record, I think Ben Davis was the best team in the state of Indiana in 2023. I think Brownsburg and Center Grove were right there if memory serves me correctly. I've pretty much kept my opinion regarding Snider vs EC on the downlow knowing that it would hurt a lot of feelings. People were saying the same thing about New Pal back in 2015 before they found themselves on the short end of a blowout down 42-14 half way through the second quarter. Look, you can't ignore Snider outscoring Warren Central, Decatur Central, and Merrillville by a combined 103-26. They gave up two offensive touchdowns, one special teams touchdown, and two field goals in those three contests. Saying that Snider could or would have beaten East Central is far from being unrealistic. It's actually responsible. 

Flattered by the Notre Dame comparison though.

Ben Davis 2023 was one of the best state championship teams ever to come out of BD. Offensively, they were just behind the 1991 and 2017 teams. Defensively, they weren't the juggernaut that some of the Dullaghan teams were, but they were certainly solid. That team excelled with senior leadership. Kevin Vanderbush listed those student leaders as some of the best he'd had in his tenure at BD. All that said, BD still barely made it to state with last-second stunners against Brownsburg, Cathedral and Center Grove. They were all sensational that year.

[temptation]

40 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

That's a good question! That's why I think 5 feels too high. 

Well, one of last year’s QBs is currently enrolled on the other side of town.

[BDGiant93]

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

Well, one of last year’s QBs is currently enrolled on the other side of town.

Correct. Hope he does well. I like Joe.

[Rodney]

16 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Well, to hear you tell it , EC would have given the Kansas City Chiefs a run for their money that year. 

 

On 7/9/2025 at 5:41 PM, Rodney said:

(before someone starts, no i think BD would have handily beat them, but ec was absolutely going to score some points)

 

[WestfieldRocks]

On 7/9/2025 at 6:05 PM, temptation said:

Their best offense was once they got in the red zone to give the ball to their middle linebacker in the wildcat, lol.

I was surprised each week when I looked at the WC stats to see how much fewer yardage Garnett, the transfer kid from Westfield, was getting. The kid had over 1,300 rushing and receiving yards the prior year against that tough schedule that Westfield plays. He practically brought them back from the dead in that Semi State at Crown Point. Last year at WC, less than 800 total yards. Maybe he was injured? Poor offensive line play, poor coaching?

[temptation]

25 minutes ago, WestfieldRocks said:

I was surprised each week when I looked at the WC stats to see how much fewer yardage Garnett, the transfer kid from Westfield, was getting. The kid had over 1,300 rushing and receiving yards the prior year against that tough schedule that Westfield plays. He practically brought them back from the dead in that Semi State at Crown Point. Last year at WC, less than 800 total yards. Maybe he was injured? Poor offensive line play, poor coaching?

Anybody’s guess.  They kept their D1 prospect on the bench and kept feeding Garnett too.