Sustainabilty

[Gipper]

Not every school in the state can put out great seasons on a continual basis.  Although I don’t know them all, here are a few:

Indianapolis North Central—one of the biggest schools in the state, never that good in recent memory.

Noblesville—it’s not like Hamilton County doesn’t have any talent…

Highland—used to be a top school years ago, but the wheels have come off.

Anderson—have they ever been any good at a sport not named basketball?

Muncie Central—same deal a little further north on I-69.

Washington—yet another basketball school that can’t seem to put together a winner 

Madison—have always struggled it seems.

Benton Central—can never put it together despite having good athletes

Frankfort—the worst program in the state, a total embarrassment.  1A schools are beating the crap out of these jokers and I can’t fathom why.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Indiansreloaded]

Muncie Central has a new coach that is turning the program around.  Marion was supposed to be good this year and MC beat them easily.  You need to add Marion to this list as they have some very talented football players yet can't win consistently.

 

[Gipper]

13 minutes ago, Indiansreloaded said:

Muncie Central has a new coach that is turning the program around.  Marion was supposed to be good this year and MC beat them easily.  You need to add Marion to this list as they have some very talented football players yet can't win consistently.

 

Thanks for chiming in, but as I said I don’t know them all.  Then again, most NCC schools aren’t world-beaters on the gridiron.

[adambetz]

29 minutes ago, Indiansreloaded said:

Muncie Central has a new coach that is turning the program around.  Marion was supposed to be good this year and MC beat them easily.  You need to add Marion to this list as they have some very talented football players yet can't win consistently.

 

How many times has Ole Miss been to semistate in their past decade of dominance?

[adambetz]

6 minutes ago, adambetz said:

How many times has Ole Miss been to semistate in their past decade of dominance?

That was rude of me I apologize. Marion needs a feeder program. Smallest school in the conference by a lot. Do well most years to win 5 games. Marion being a basketball driven community doesn't help. The 15 best athletes of every grade grow up thinking they're full time basketball players. That, coupled with our free and reduced lunch numbers make me inclined to believe that Marion should not be on this list of 10 schools that should be sustainably good every year in football.

[adambetz]

Greenwood, Columbus East, McCutcheon, Jay County, Lake Central, Castle (wins a bunch but really shouldn't lose as much as they do), Angola, Mt. Vernon (Fortville), Boonville all should win more than they do.

[Gipper]

Just now, adambetz said:

Greenwood, Columbus East, McCutcheon, Jay County, Lake Central, Castle (wins a bunch but really shouldn't lose as much as they do), Angola, Mt. Vernon (Fortville), Boonville all should win more than they do.

Thanks!  As I said I don’t know them all, especially the 812.  That being said, both Terre Haute North and South have been on the road to nowhere.  How will the upcoming Hautian High fare?

40 minutes ago, Indiansreloaded said:

Muncie Central has a new coach that is turning the program around.  Marion was supposed to be good this year and MC beat them easily.  You need to add Marion to this list as they have some very talented football players yet can't win consistently.

 

Thanks for chiming in, but as I said I don’t know them all.  Then again, most NCC schools aren’t world-beaters on the gridiron.

[adambetz]

6 minutes ago, Gipper said:

Thanks!  As I said I don’t know them all, especially the 812.  That being said, both Terre Haute North and South have been on the road to nowhere.  How will the upcoming Hautian High fare?

Thanks for chiming in, but as I said I don’t know them all.  Then again, most NCC schools aren’t world-beaters on the gridiron.

The Terre Haute schools have struggled with the same issues (although to a lesser extent) as the NCC schools. Jobs leaving, urban blight, open enrollment, yadda yadda yadda. Consolidation might give a shot at in the arm initially but I expect sustained success to be hard to come by in their new conference consisting of Danville, Lebanon, Harrison and McCutcheon.

[Gipper]

31 minutes ago, adambetz said:

The Terre Haute schools have struggled with the same issues (although to a lesser extent) as the NCC schools. Jobs leaving, urban blight, open enrollment, yadda yadda yadda. Consolidation might give a shot at in the arm initially but I expect sustained success to be hard to come by in their new conference consisting of Danville, Lebanon, Harrison and McCutcheon.

I agree as I don’t see them winning more than 2,league games per season.

[adambetz]

3 minutes ago, Gipper said:

I agree as I don’t see them winning more than 2,league games per season.

Why isn't Munster good?

[Gipper]

Just now, adambetz said:

Why isn't Munster good?

Very good question.  Much like Crown Point, there is a lot of money in the community which does support the school.  They are also in a very winnable league, but the last 10 years have been very unkind to them.

I’m not sure if it’s a coaching thing or what…

[Gipper]

I also think Shelbyville, Richmond, and Jennings County aren’t faring all that well…

[adambetz]

7 minutes ago, Gipper said:

I also think Shelbyville, Richmond, and Jennings County aren’t faring all that well…

Shelbyville and Greenwood will both soon be big fish in a 3A/2A conference next year. That should help them both. I expect both teams to fair better joining the Hoosier Legends Conference with Indian Creek, Triton Central, Speedway, Beech Grove, Monrovia and Tri-West. Might take some embarrassing lumps at first but they will find succes and success breeds success. Richmond should be better than 0-10 every year. They should at least compete with the Muncie Centrals and Marions of the world. No knowledge on Jennings County other than thats a toughish conference most years.

[Gipper]

5 minutes ago, adambetz said:

Shelbyville and Greenwood will both soon be big fish in a 3A/2A conference next year. That should help them both. I expect both teams to fair better joining the Hoosier Legends Conference with Indian Creek, Triton Central, Speedway, Beech Grove, Monrovia and Tri-West. Might take some embarrassing lumps at first but they will find succes and success breeds success. Richmond should be better than 0-10 every year. They should at least compete with the Muncie Centrals and Marions of the world. No knowledge on Jennings County other than thats a toughish conference most years.

I wasn’t aware of SHS’ new league…

[adambetz]

36 minutes ago, Gipper said:

I wasn’t aware of SHS’ new league…

Started play this year with the 6 smaller schools. Greenwood and Shelbyville to join next year.

[Muda69]

8 hours ago, adambetz said:

How many times has Ole Miss been to semistate in their past decade of dominance?

It's an interesting question.  How many members of Mississinewa's football program actually live within the Marion government school geographic boundary?  The two high schools are only a little over 5 miles apart.

 

 

[foxbat]

8 hours ago, Gipper said:

I agree as I don’t see them winning more than 2,league games per season.

And one of those will be against the other school in the district.

[RegionFBFan]

8 hours ago, adambetz said:

Why isn't Munster good?

Munster is a very affluent community with arguably the best school system in NWI. They support all sports and pay their teachers and head coaches extremely well.

They have two main issues as I see it. First and foremost, Munster is the medical hub for NWI and thus the demographics are heavily populated with Middle Eastern and Asian descent where football is not a sport they are familiar with.

Second issue is Chicago Catholic League ie Mt Carmel, Brother Rice and St Rita scoop a lot of their very good athletes especially football and baseball players. Andrean will get some but historically not many.

Munster is very competitive in really all of the other sports for both boys and girls. Football will remain a challenge. I feel the new coach for the past two seasons has them playing much better but the numbers aren’t high for a 5A enrollment. 

[Gipper]

6 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

Munster is a very affluent community with arguably the best school system in NWI. They support all sports and pay their teachers and head coaches extremely well.

They have two main issues as I see it. First and foremost, Munster is the medical hub for NWI and thus the demographics are heavily populated with Middle Eastern and Asian descent where football is not a sport they are familiar with.

Second issue is Chicago Catholic League ie Mt Carmel, Brother Rice and St Rita scoop a lot of their very good athletes especially football and baseball players. Andrean will get some but historically not many.

Munster is very competitive in really all of the other sports for both boys and girls. Football will remain a challenge. I feel the new coach for the past two seasons has them playing much better but the numbers aren’t high for a 5A enrollment. 

They did drop down to 4A a few years ago, but there record was basically the same.

[Gipper]

The programs in South Bend are also surprisingly weak, well, other than St. Joseph, who is part of the Catholic juggernaut.

[RegionFBFan]

5 minutes ago, Gipper said:

They did drop down to 4A a few years ago, but there record was basically the same.

Yes, 2014 and 2015 season under Coach Marsh. They were .500 both seasons and did them no favors in meeting Lowell  and/ or Hobart in sectional.

It really doesn’t matter if you don’t have or can keep your Jimmy’s and Joe’s.

[RegionFBFan]

5 minutes ago, Gipper said:

The programs in South Bend are also surprisingly weak, well, other than St. Joseph, who is part of the Catholic juggernaut.

Saint Joe’s has rebounded this season with a very good football team. It’s good to see as they have been generally down over the last 5-10 years. I’m not sure what is driving it. I think they have a new coach. Their facilities are outstanding. Obviously, the talent had improved.

[Gipper]

2 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

Yes, 2014 and 2015 season under Coach Marsh. They were .500 both seasons and did them no favors in meeting Lowell  and/ or Hobart in sectional.

It really doesn’t matter if you don’t have or can keep your Jimmy’s and Joe’s.

I think Marsh was the last decent coach they had.  But speaking of coaching, KV did hire Kirk Kennedy a few years ago.  I thought they would be a lot more competitive in the NWCC, but are basically spinning their wheels.  Have they won a game this year?

[RegionFBFan]

No they have not. I too am surprised by KV with KK. He had them heading in the right direction. Playing a physical brand of football and winning and being competetive but have fallen back this season. KV has invested a lot in their athletic facilities and it’s very nice. 
With all the population growth heading their way and with a quality head coach, they would be on the up.

[crimsonace1]

10 hours ago, adambetz said:

Greenwood, Columbus East, McCutcheon, Jay County, Lake Central, Castle (wins a bunch but really shouldn't lose as much as they do), Angola, Mt. Vernon (Fortville), Boonville all should win more than they do.

MV is in the midst of a bit of a down cycle (in part because their star QB decided to focus on basketball - which was probably a good decision, given he's a strong frontrunner for Mr. Basketball this year), but they won a state title just four years ago and have generally consistently been a solid program. 

Greenwood is landlocked, mostly built out and has a lot of older housing stock/rental housing in the community. A lot of the talent in the Greenwood area goes to Whiteland (whose district actually crosses into Greenwood city limits and wraps around to the south and east) and Center Grove (which borders Greenwood to the west). 

Columbus East & North have full open enrollment, and it seems the football players have been gravitating to North in recent years (whereas they all seemed to go to East in the Gaddis era).