DE Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Irishman said: Not really digging into this topic, but this is not all correct. It is illegal for union dues to go to political action committees associated with the organization. IPACE is the PAC for ISTA, and all money given to IPACE is voluntary. https://www.twlglawfirm.com/new-york-construction-accident-lawyer/can-union-dues-be-used-for-political-purposes/ mmmmmmmm. disagree. if i didn't ask to make sure my dues didn't get used for political reasons, then they would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, DE said: Then ISTA better change their language. They are compliant with the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Irishman said: They are compliant with the law. 👌 how about my other fact about dues being "voluntary"? compliant? yes. greasy and not 100% forthcoming? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Muda69 said: What, you don't believe in the concept of "in loco parentis" when it comes to public school teachers and administrators? I once had an assistant superintendent pull that line on me once in a discussion we had over the IMHO illegal search of high school students belongings. God forbid something ever happened where I needed to shield/protect a kid, yes I would shield/protect that child from harm, but no, I do not believe in co parenting/in loco parentis with the government. And yes, my thinking has changed over the 19+ years I have been a teacher. Edited March 30, 2022 by DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, DE said: 👌 how about my other fact about dues being "voluntary"? compliant? yes. greasy and not 100% forthcoming? yes wtfe.....dues ARE voluntary. There is no forced membership. There is a long form to complete and sign to join. Automatic membership has not been allowed since the late 80's. In fact, here is the form to complete to join. https://www.ista-in.org/uploads/files/Membership-Form.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Irishman said: wtfe.....dues ARE voluntary. There is no forced membership. There is a long form to complete and sign to join. Automatic membership has not been allowed since the late 80's. In fact, here is the form to complete to join. https://www.ista-in.org/uploads/files/Membership-Form.pdf 👌 you are obviously not understanding. that is ok. i never ONCE said membership is forced. you did. be well. Edited March 30, 2022 by DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 The opt out for contributing to the PAC: 12 minutes ago, DE said: 👌 how about my other fact about dues being "voluntary"? compliant? yes. greasy and not 100% forthcoming? yes your own words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Irishman said: The opt out for contributing to the PAC: your own words As I said, you don't understand. It is ok. I will take the blame and say I did not explain it to your level. Should I differentiate my instruction for you? I know what I said. I know it is "voluntary", but there is ANOTHER step I need to take to NOT have my money used for political reasons. Teachers unions are an arm of the democrat party. Disagree? Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, DE said: I know what I said. I know it is "voluntary", but there is ANOTHER step I need to take to NOT have my money used for political reasons. Agreed. That separate PAC waiver form is lame. There should be a checkbox on the aforementioned membership form PDF to do just that. And in this day and age why you still have to fill out a paper form to join such a forward thinking, progressive organization is very strange. Joining, editing, and quitting such an organization should all be possible online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, DE said: As I said, you don't understand. It is ok. I will take the blame and say I did not explain it to your level. Should I differentiate my instruction for you? I know what I said. I know it is "voluntary", but there is ANOTHER step I need to take to NOT have my money used for political reasons. Teachers unions are an arm of the democrat party. Disagree? Prove it. This paragraph says it all about the type of person you are. I know, you'll sleep tight. Edited March 30, 2022 by Robert 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Thanks Muda, I know I tried to get you for lunch or dinner when I taught at Frankfort. You weren't friendly enough to engage. I know in person we'd all get along. The words here are unfriendly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Robert said: Thanks Muda, I know I tried to get you for lunch or dinner when I taught at Frankfort. You weren't friendly enough to engage. I know in person we'd all get along. The words here are unfriendly. You are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Agreed. That separate PAC waiver form is lame. There should be a checkbox on the aforementioned membership form PDF to do just that. And in this day and age why you still have to fill out a paper form to join such a forward thinking, progressive organization is very strange. Joining, editing, and quitting such an organization should all be possible online. Yep. Only progressive for their agenda/s. 22 minutes ago, Robert said: This paragraph says it all about the type of person you are. I know, you'll sleep tight. Thank you for your support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 23 hours ago, Muda69 said: Yeah, your criticism of school choice IS nonsense. And anti-freedom. Freedom... from black people- https://www.brookings.edu/research/new-evidence-on-school-choice-and-racially-segregated-schools/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, DanteEstonia said: Freedom... from black people- https://www.brookings.edu/research/new-evidence-on-school-choice-and-racially-segregated-schools/ Freedom. For all. So I take it you don't agree with the concept of Freedom Of Association? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, Muda69 said: So I take it you don't agree with the concept of Freedom Of Association? That's a line the white Southerner would use to keep black people out of restaurants. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said: That's a line the white Southerner would use to keep black people out of restaurants. So for you all private/parochial/charter schools should be forced to accept a quota system for admissions, where a certain percentage of the student body needs to be a racial minority. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 53 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said: That's a line the white Southerner would use to keep black people out of restaurants. Democrats FIFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Racism isn't dead in Indiana. Lots of -isms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 So supporters of school choice in Indiana are also racists. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 12 hours ago, Muda69 said: So for you all private/parochial/charter schools should be forced to accept a quota system for admissions, where a certain percentage of the student body needs to be a racial minority. Is that correct? https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2021/12/01/charter-schools-turning-to-weighted-lotteries-to-attract-low-income-students/ 11 hours ago, DE said: Democrats FIFY Except that Strom Thurmond fellow. He was GOP for most of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 7 hours ago, DanteEstonia said: https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2021/12/01/charter-schools-turning-to-weighted-lotteries-to-attract-low-income-students/ Wow Dante, A free market solution, not one foisted onto a charter school by the state. You must hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 13 hours ago, Muda69 said: So supporters of school choice in Indiana are also racists. Got it. People are utterly clueless and can not think for themselves. Throwing the terms racist and all the other progressive buzz words around has totally blown back in their faces and lost all meaning. People that throw those words around are the true ones. They are using old Nazi techniques....blame others of what you are guilty of doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 Teachers union spends more on Dem causes than its own members, analysis finds: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/teachers-union-spending-democratic-causes-its-own-members-analysis Quote A new analysis of the National Education Association's spending shows that in 2020-2021 the teachers union spent a fraction of its money on representing members and more than double that amount on political activities. According to data compiled by Americans for Fair Treatment, 17.6% of the NEA's spending went to political activities and lobbying, with just 8.6% going to representational activity. Political activities also accounted for more spending than employee benefits, which made up 15.1% of the organization's expenditures. The NEA spent a total of $374 million during the 2020-2021 fiscal year. A meager 9% of the union’s spending was on 'representational activities,' or money that is spent directly to support its members," AFFT CEO David Osborne said in a statement. "In contrast, 18% went to political activities, while another 32% went to 'contributions, gifts, and grants,' spending that is also largely political in nature. Those numbers show where their priorities lie." "The National Education Association’s (NEA) political and charitable spending in 2020-2021 makes the NEA look more like a political organization than a membership organization," Americans for Fair Treatment added in its report. "Contributions, gifts and grants" was the NEA's largest expense category at 31.5%, but the analysis showed that spending that falls under that label can also be political in nature as it included a $1 million contribution to the left-wing super PAC Future Forward USA Action. The NEA also has its own super PAC, NEA Advocacy Fund. The union gave $15.7 million to the super PAC between Sept. 1, 2020 and Aug. 31, 2021. It also gave $1.85 million to the Strategic Victory Fund super PAC, which contributes money to Democratic candidates and causes, and $6.7 million to the State Engagement Fund, which is part of the Democracy Alliance network that supports left-wing causes and candidates. The union's political spending increased significantly over the previous year, from $51 million in 2020 to $66 million in 2021. It also brought in $377 million in member dues, ($200 annually per member), approximately $2 million more than the prior year, even though membership decreased by more than 65,000. Yep, definitely now a political organization masquerading as a labor union. It's dues-paying members should be proud of the subterfuge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Teachers union spends more on Dem causes than its own members, analysis finds: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/teachers-union-spending-democratic-causes-its-own-members-analysis Yep, definitely now a political organization masquerading as a labor union. It's dues-paying members should be proud of the subterfuge. Thank you. Paging @Irishman Oh wait, but there's more... How about these beauts.... https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/teachers-union-collaborated-with-cdc-on-school-reopening-emails/ https://thefederalist.com/2021/05/18/top-cdc-official-steps-down-weeks-after-emails-surface-showing-collusion-with-teachers-union/ https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/30/report-biden-administration-stifled-congressional-investigation-into-cdc-and-teachers-union-collusion/ https://www.mystateline.com/news/state-news/chicago-teachers-union-leader-who-vacationed-while-claiming-its-unsafe-to-return-to-school-apologizes/ ^^^Oh but she apologized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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