Welcome to the New World of NIL

[Irishman]

7 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

And here it is folks: 

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/breaking-news/article/how-are-schools-trying-to-lure-top-tier-qbs-in-transfer-portal-heres-an-inside-look-at-lsus-pursuit-of-brendan-sorsby-162435817.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGGSkzCbO0NK_Po-5CfEw_Gghs-oGqF4_zxjkXYGW6XlpvPX1CxkZuDdQ_YyAchgzRs43Lv6wt0yBkvAZ6iZax25rDRs8mZS7WJwRuEgotbDGzSAULw1-1G7nfKuWIH_5y8a2qsHf54o_Ly3D-qI6Cyr0Zzyi-pMquWdPl9lq_tA

 

 

 

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The Williams' story is a crazy one. It may be THE case that decides what the college game looks like for years to come; how ever long it may last. 

[Bash Riprock]

15 hours ago, Irishman said:

The Williams' story is a crazy one. It may be THE case that decides what the college game looks like for years to come; how ever long it may last. 

The recent reference is Brandon Sorsby leaving Cinn for Texas Tech for $5M for a season.  What's crazy is that Sorsby left Indiana for Cincy, because he couldn't get the starting QB job.  What a journey.....

[Bobref]

File this under “The Law of Unintended Consequences Strikes Again.”

How long do you think it will be before the stupid money NIL is paying some of these college kids (and believe me, it is going to get even stupider), has an effect on the NFL’s rookie contract pay scale? The NFL is now effectively in a bidding war for elite college talent. Only they are bidding against people who have no real limit on what they can offer.

[Sparty]

What I absolutely can’t stand is the constant, player X enters portal.  Player X formerly from school A B C.  I don’t care about their lack of loyalty.  
 

#NOW!getOFFmyLAWN

Edited January 8 by Sparty

[Irishman]

That quote by Saban rings true once again.....If you are spending money on the worng people, you are shit outta luck. 

 

 

[Coach Nowlin]

18 hours ago, Bobref said:

File this under “The Law of Unintended Consequences Strikes Again.”

How long do you think it will be before the stupid money NIL is paying some of these college kids (and believe me, it is going to get even stupider), has an effect on the NFL’s rookie contract pay scale? The NFL is now effectively in a bidding war for elite college talent. Only they are bidding against people who have no real limit on what they can offer.

NONE

NFL ownership group has proven over and over again that they will win in this collective bargaining world.   

If anything NFL will make Professional Collegiate Sports get in line to them, not the other way around 

 

17 hours ago, Irishman said:

That quote by Saban rings true once again.....If you are spending money on the worng people, you are shit outta luck. 

 

 

But they beat Purdue in game that didn't count ......... in a game Purdue just showed up to play open gym in....... 

[Coach Nowlin]

On 12/7/2024 at 10:23 AM, Coach Nowlin said:

 

 

As seen here 

[Irishman]

7 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

But they beat Purdue in game that didn't count ......... in a game Purdue just showed up to play open gym in....... 

I think just supports what the guy is saying though. A roster with that much talent should be playing at that level more consistently. The video clips I have seen from their South Carolina game are comical. If that team shows up against Purdue, Purdue shoots them out of the gym. 

[Irishman]

This is insane

https://x.com/Blutman27/status/2012240430973276455?s=20  

[Irishman]

Another angle on the previous post. 

 

 

[Irishman]

Not sure how it gets this bad for a program, but goes to me points about this not being sustainable and a recent prediction that we will see some significant moves as far as conferences go. 

 

 

[Coach Nowlin]

Some folks are clamoring for 2 separate NCAA divisions again:   Call it the HAVES and HAVE NOTS:   

Have like 40 SUPER TEAMS/Schools:   Play for the big prize 

then the rest just hang out and hope to go play in Florida in December in a "bowl: game 

[Irishman]

2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Some folks are clamoring for 2 separate NCAA divisions again:   Call it the HAVES and HAVE NOTS:   

Have like 40 SUPER TEAMS/Schools:   Play for the big prize 

then the rest just hang out and hope to go play in Florida in December in a "bowl: game 

Or they could develop another playoff format like FCS does? 

[Coach Nowlin]

yup, something like that; 

 PREMIER LEAGUE 

Division A 

Division B

Division C

FCS Division D 

Division 2

Division 3

NAIA 1

NAIA 2

Hand out like 10 championships 

[Irishman]

Or, go back to old terms

DI, D1 AA, D1 AAA, D2, D3, and NAIA. Not sure why you have so many other divisions and a split NAIA. 

[Irishman]

Unsustainable!!!!

 

 

[Irishman]

When I posted that I gave this path 5 years tops (This is year 2), one of the things I mentioned was that Title IX issues could come into play. 

welp....Tell me what I am missing if this does not send up a red flag when it comes to Title IX. 

 

 

[PDB26]

1 hour ago, Irishman said:

When I posted that I gave this path 5 years tops (This is year 2), one of the things I mentioned was that Title IX issues could come into play. 

welp....Tell me what I am missing if this does not send up a red flag when it comes to Title IX. 

 

 

I imagine it comes down to whether one puts rev share in the financial assistance (equity) or the program benefit (equality) bucket.

[Irishman]

Something I had not really thought of before seeing this....the tax ramifications of NIL money. NIL money would fit under some category of income. But what about the money players get from alumni/coop groups? Does that go down as a gift? Since the schools are restricted on giving money to them, they cannot be considered employees, right? Private contractors? I have gotten a 1099 Misc form for coaching in the past, would it be the same thing? 

 

 

[PDB26]

14 hours ago, Irishman said:

Something I had not really thought of before seeing this....the tax ramifications of NIL money. NIL money would fit under some category of income. But what about the money players get from alumni/coop groups? Does that go down as a gift? Since the schools are restricted on giving money to them, they cannot be considered employees, right? Private contractors? I have gotten a 1099 Misc form for coaching in the past, would it be the same thing? 

 

 

As best I can recall, NIL money fits neatly within the definition of income, essentially a gain in wealth that you have control over. This would include money from NIL groups and donors, which I doubt sufficiently fit within the gift exemptions. I think, again as best as I can recall, that a gift for a non-family member will face higher scrutiny and there is a requirement for the donee to have a disinterest in the beneficiary, clearly not the case when trying to induce an athlete to play at your school.

[Bash Riprock]

2 hours ago, PDB26 said:

As best I can recall, NIL money fits neatly within the definition of income, essentially a gain in wealth that you have control over. This would include money from NIL groups and donors, which I doubt sufficiently fit within the gift exemptions. I think, again as best as I can recall, that a gift for a non-family member will face higher scrutiny and there is a requirement for the donee to have a disinterest in the beneficiary, clearly not the case when trying to induce an athlete to play at your school.

Wouldn't the benefit be waiving state/local tax only?  My guess is that the feds will want their piece of the pie.  

9 states do not have state income tax....doesn't this put Mississippi on even ground with them?  (for NIL income)   Note football states like Texas and Florida have no state income tax.  

[First_Backer_Inside]

On 2/7/2026 at 3:58 PM, Irishman said:

When I posted that I gave this path 5 years tops (This is year 2), one of the things I mentioned was that Title IX issues could come into play. 

welp....Tell me what I am missing if this does not send up a red flag when it comes to Title IX. 

 

 

Wonder what the breakdown is per athlete on the team? Still a huge difference in mens and womens sports but I wonder if football per athlete is still getting the most money. My guess would be yes, but I wonder if basketball isn't really close.

[PDB26]

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

Wouldn't the benefit be waiving state/local tax only?  My guess is that the feds will want their piece of the pie.  

9 states do not have state income tax....doesn't this put Mississippi on even ground with them?  (for NIL income)   Note football states like Texas and Florida have no state income tax.  

Again, this is all based on my recollection, but the definition I gave for wealth is the rule for the federal interpretation of income. I imagine all the states subscribe to the same general idea of income. So far as gifts are concerned (labeling error when working on my previous post), the gift exemption, or loophole in this case, requires the donor not to have an interest in the donee doing something or having done something. So, athletes are getting income under the federal definition regardless of who it’s coming from.

You’re right, the Mississippi legislation will have no effect on federal income tax. So far as getting on level footing with no-income-tax states is concerned, I think it’s fair to say they are, although I think it’s also a negligible difference in most cases given that most jurisdictions have fairly marginal state income tax.

[PDB26]

32 minutes ago, PDB26 said:

Again, this is all based on my recollection, but the definition I gave for wealth is the rule for the federal interpretation of income. I imagine all the states subscribe to the same general idea of income. So far as gifts are concerned (labeling error when working on my previous post), the gift exemption, or loophole in this case, requires the donor not to have an interest in the donee doing something or having done something. So, athletes are getting income under the federal definition regardless of who it’s coming from.

You’re right, the Mississippi legislation will have no effect on federal income tax. So far as getting on level footing with no-income-tax states is concerned, I think it’s fair to say they are, although I think it’s also a negligible difference in most cases given that most jurisdictions have fairly marginal state income tax.

*definition for INCOME not wealth.

[Bash Riprock]

32 minutes ago, PDB26 said:

Again, this is all based on my recollection, but the definition I gave for wealth is the rule for the federal interpretation of income. I imagine all the states subscribe to the same general idea of income. So far as gifts are concerned (labeling error when working on my previous post), the gift exemption, or loophole in this case, requires the donor not to have an interest in the donee doing something or having done something. So, athletes are getting income under the federal definition regardless of who it’s coming from.

You’re right, the Mississippi legislation will have no effect on federal income tax. So far as getting on level footing with no-income-tax states is concerned, I think it’s fair to say they are, although I think it’s also a negligible difference in most cases given that most jurisdictions have fairly marginal state income tax.

It is interesting to think about...given some states have a decent state tax (not counting local) at/near 10% or higher, if this would ever factor into decision-making by the player.  Zero state income tax in Florida, Texas, Tennessee, etc. vs some of these states listed below....  Brendan Sorsby goes to Texas Tech and pays $0 state income tax for his $5M one year deal.  He would have lost $665K in state taxes alone had he went to USC.  Perhaps the agents/lawyers help them through the state residency issues to avoid that kind of hit.