Carmel-Ben Davis, Perhaps the most competitive big school rivalry in the state

[BDGiant93]

Ben Davis and Carmel renew their rivalry again on Friday night at 7:00 pm from Giant Stadium. The Greyhounds lead the series, 25-24 after winning the last two games in the series to take their first lead since 1995. The series has been tied eight different times since then. It's just remarkable how close this series has been since the late 1990's. Research done by Jim Pich and yours truly on this one.

 

Greyhounds lead series 25-24

1958-59 Giants 19-6 (BD)

1959-60 Giants 20-19 (Carmel)

1977-78 Giants 24-7 (North Central) (Sectional)

1981-82 Greyhounds 28-0 (BD)

1982-83 Greyhounds 21-6 (Carmel)

1983-84 Greyhounds 7-0 (BD)

1984-85 Greyhounds 28-21 (Carmel)

1985-86 Greyhounds 19-14 (BD)

1986-87 Greyhounds 31-14 (Carmel)

1987-88 Greyhounds 35-20 (BD)

1988-89 Giants 36-0 (Carmel)

1989-90 Greyhounds 35-20 (BD)

1989-90 Greyhounds 14-10 (Carmel) (Sectional)

1990-91 Giants 30-7 (Carmel)

1991-92 Giants 56-28 (BD)

1992-93 Giants 48-0 (Carmel)

1993-94 Greyhounds 13-12 (BD)

1994-95 Giants 41-33 (Carmel)

1995-96 Giants 15-10 (BD)

1996-97 Giants 29-15 (Carmel)

1997-98 Giants 38-11 (BD)

1998-99 Greyhounds 14-3 (Carmel)

1999-00 Giants 49-0 (BD)

2000-01 Greyhounds 21-14 (Carmel)

2001-02 Giants 38-3 (BD)

2002-03 Giants 31-7 (Carmel)

2003-04 Giants 27-11 (BD)

2004-05 Giants 18-8 (Carmel)

2005-06 Greyhounds 17-14 (BD)

2006-07 Greyhounds 20-7 (Carmel)

2007-08 Giants 28-27 (BD)

2008-09 Giants 24-17 (Carmel)

2009-10 Greyhounds 21-7 (BD)

2010-11 Greyhounds 35-7 (Carmel)

2011-12 Greyhounds 20-10 (BD)

2011-12 Greyhounds 11-9 (BD) (Regional)

2012-13 Giants 13-7 (Carmel)

2013-14 Giants 28-24 (BD)

2014-15 Greyhounds 37-14 (Carmel)

2014-15 Giants 42-24 (Lucas Oil Stadium) (State)

2015-16 Greyhounds 35-21 (BD)

2016-17 Greyhounds 40-36 (Carmel)

2017-18 Giants 28-10 (BD)

2018-19 Greyhounds 21-7 (Carmel)

2019-20 Giants 27-14 (BD)

2020-21 Greyhounds 31-9 (Carmel)

2020-21 Giants 27-21 (BD) (Regional)

2021-22 Greyhounds 35-21 (BD)

2022-23 Greyhounds 21-14 (Carmel)

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Go Giants!

[temptation]

Some real "shoot outs" on that list...sorry I had to...

[hhpatriot04]

Sagarin's Predictor:

Ben Davis (100.17) is a 24-point favorite vs. Carmel (78.65) and has about a 86.26% chance of winning (2.42-point home-field advantage).

Last updated: 2023 September 23 Saturday 21:56:28.311 Central Standard Time = GMT/UTC-06:00

http://predictor.gridirondigest.net

[BDGiant93]

2 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Sagarin's Predictor:

Ben Davis (100.17) is a 24-point favorite vs. Carmel (78.65) and has about a 86.26% chance of winning (2.42-point home-field advantage).

Last updated: 2023 September 23 Saturday 21:56:28.311 Central Standard Time = GMT/UTC-06:00

http://predictor.gridirondigest.net

This series often favors the underdog.

[Grover]

Thanks for the reminder of when Carmel used to be good.

[BDGiant93]

3 hours ago, Grover said:

Thanks for the reminder of when Carmel used to be good.

🥶Cold!!

[temptation]

4 hours ago, Grover said:

Thanks for the reminder of when Carmel used to be good.

Still 39-15 over the last 4+ years including 2023 (Ben Davis is 33-22 over that same time period)...just stop.

Edited September 26, 2023 by temptation

[Grover]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

just stop.

No

[temptation]

22 minutes ago, Grover said:

No

You've gotta let it go.  They are ducking you.  Chiming in on this thread means they are in your head.  You've won three in a row...be happy.

[Bash Riprock]

21 hours ago, temptation said:

You've gotta let it go.  They are ducking you.  Chiming in on this thread means they are in your head.  You've won three in a row...be happy.

I gotta admit....I am a little confused.  You have articulated over and over your thoughts about Carmel refusing to play CG and motives behind it.  You have also targeted other schools repeatedly with the same message.  But that is ok? Couldn't I use the same logic you are voicing above to you?

If you feel compelled to step into the hall monitor role to challenge the posts of others, perhaps first take your own medicine......just sayin'

[temptation]

2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

I gotta admit....I am a little confused.  You have articulated over and over your thoughts about Carmel refusing to play CG and motives behind it.  You have also targeted other schools repeatedly with the same message.  But that is ok? Couldn't I use the same logic you are voicing above to you?

If you feel compelled to step into the hall monitor role to challenge the posts of others, perhaps first take your own medicine......just sayin'

Yep.  Don't have a dog (pun intended) in the fight.  I am able to view things from an unbiased perspective...unlike you and @Grover.

CG is light years ahead of Carmel right now...wolves should not worry themselves with the opinions of sheep.

[Bash Riprock]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Yep.  Don't have a dog (pun intended) in the fight.  I am able to view things from an unbiased perspective...unlike you and @Grover.

 

 Have an opinion if "neutral", but remain quiet if not.  That makes for one fun and interesting forum. 

BTW, just so we are clear. I didn't make any comments.  Just trying to understand your logic. 

Keep firing away @Grover   We all know you have way more GID seniority than the self-appointed "rulemaker"!!

 

[temptation]

9 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

 Have an opinion if "neutral", but remain quiet if not.  That makes for one fun and interesting forum. 

BTW, just so we are clear. I didn't make any comments.  Just trying to understand your logic. 

Keep firing away @Grover   We all know you have way more GID seniority than the self-appointed "rulemaker"!!

 

Not a rule maker by any means but so many folks get their panties in a wad because I describe myself as an “unbiased official.”

The reason I do so is because I have absolutely no allegiance to any IHSAA member school including the one which I attended and the one who sends me bi-weekly direct deposits.

Most “fans” on here have loyalty to a particular program in one way or another and the fact that I don’t, combined with my brash nature and the fact that I don’t care about folks’ feelings, rubs people the wrong way.

Also, his “opinion” sucked.  Even you have to admit that.  It was a lazy, childish middle school lunch room style jab based in no evidence.  Carmel is “good.”  Center Grove is GREAT.  Comes across as weak on his part.

[Grover]

Stay in your lane child. 

[Bash Riprock]

39 minutes ago, temptation said:

Most “fans” on here have loyalty to a particular program in one way or another and the fact that I don’t, combined with my brash nature and the fact that I don’t care about folks’ feelings, rubs people the wrong way.

 

not really the main reasons, but you keep on truckin' "unbiased official".......

 

 

[temptation]

35 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

not really the main reasons, but you keep on truckin' "unbiased official".......

 

 

Please go on…let it all out.  How did I hurt you?

First therapy session is on me.

Edited September 27, 2023 by temptation