2024 Election - Biden vs Trump - The rematch

[Bobref]

8 hours ago, swordfish said:

putting the chances of any other conviction of former President Trump at nearly zero; 

I hardly think so. There are a number of charges in this, and other, cases to which the Presidential immunity issue does not apply. Clearly a won battle for the Trump people. But they didn’t win the war.

[temptation]

8 hours ago, Bobref said:

I hardly think so. There are a number of charges in this, and other, cases to which the Presidential immunity issue does not apply. Clearly a won battle for the Trump people. But they didn’t win the war.

Unless he wins in November and then these charges are irrelevant.

(However, like I said previously…its Hail Mary time so NOTHING would surprise me from the left at this point.)

They spent 3+ years trotting a corpse out there while telling the American people that what they were seeing and hearing was an illusion and thought they could get away with it because they didn’t think Trump would still be in the running…

Edited July 2, 2024 by temptation

[temptation]

“Project 2025” has suddenly become the left’s new boogeyman…

(The only problem is that DJT has not endorsed it nor does his name appear anywhere on the 900+ page document.)

2nd and 99 from the 1 yard line for the Democrats.

[swordfish]

On 6/28/2024 at 8:46 AM, swordfish said:

Post debate - The questions become (1) How do they replace Biden? Does he gracefully bow out or do they drag him out kicking and screaming? (2) Who would his replacement be? AND My biggest concern of the night - Who is actually running the Executive Branch right now? Because it sure ain't Biden.

Unless the Democrat Party can find enough to money to pay him off the ticket like they did with ol' Bernie in 2020 and replace him with another Obama puppet he can control, Uncle Joe is staying in there.....

The same question above remains.....The rest is static in the background......

[Muda69]

On 7/4/2024 at 7:27 AM, temptation said:

“Project 2025” has suddenly become the left’s new boogeyman…

(The only problem is that DJT has not endorsed it nor does his name appear anywhere on the 900+ page document.)

2nd and 99 from the 1 yard line for the Democrats.

His name doesn't have to appear in the document.  And we all know a politician not "officially" endorsing something is worth exactly squat.

Do you personally support the changes to the executive branch proposed in the Presidential Transition Project (it's official name per the Heritage Foundation), specifically the proposition to reclassify thousand of federal civil service workers as political appointees?

[swordfish]

Anyone who thinks our Democratic Republic is so fragile that any President could just simply "Be a Dictator" is sadly mis-guided and President Biden knows it. He's just too advanced in his Dementia to remember to keep that FACT to himself. The Biden Campaign can only run on fear-mongering about the former President Trump. 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cnns-scott-jennings-biden-admitted-his-campaigns-democracy-pitch-is-a-facade?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR195tj7y-736zn73J3Lq7J0eGz11vqDkmLvM-dqUfKAw5p2uvl4CECJ3tk_aem_Jf_oUa3bnObsKiTWEoiemQ

 

CNN pundit Scott Jennings argued on Sunday that President Joe Biden conceded that his campaign message about saving democracy is nothing but a “facade.”

During a discussion on “State of the Union,” in which Jennings appeared with other panelists, the GOP strategist alluded to Biden’s interview on Friday after his poor debate performance against former President Donald Trump fueled concerns among supporters and others about his fitness to run and serve a second term.

In a clip that aired earlier in the segment, ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos asked, “If you stay in and Trump is elected and everything you’re warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in January?” Biden, in response, said “as long as I gave it my all” that is “what this is about.”

Jennings asked if the panel could “talk about an issue” from the debate on Friday night.

“The entire thesis of the campaign was ‘democracy is on the ballot,'” Jennings said. “And when George Stephanopoulos asked him, ‘Well, if you lose and all these bad things come to pass, will you be okay with that?’ And he said, ‘Well, as long as we gave it our all.'”

Jennings continued, “Now, if I was a Democrat who hasn’t blinked since January of 2017 or one of these Never Trumpers who’s worried about all this and I heard Joe Biden admit that it’s all just a facade, that it’s all just a talking point, I would be freaked out right now to find out there’s no animating issue for this campaign. It’s just a grift.”

A rush transcript shows two other guests on the panel, Democratic strategist Doug Thornell and Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-MI), pushed back on the critique from Jennings.

“An animating issue? It’s about character. It’s about your candidate, who is a convicted felon, who is a twice-impeached president, who is only out for himself, versus an honest and decent man who’s always put the American people first. That is the issue,” Thornell said.

Dingell added, “Who says he wants to be a dictator,” alluding to Trump’s pledge to be a “dictator” only on the first day of his second term in order to tackle issues such as border security and drilling for energy.

Shermichael Singleton, a conservative political commentator at CNN, got in a word before a commercial break.

“The problem for the Democrats is viability. The president currently is not viable,” he said.

[swordfish]

[Muda69]

The 2024 GOP Platform Promises To 'Make America Affordable Again.' So Why Are They Embracing Fiscal Insanity?: https://reason.com/2024/07/11/the-2024-gop-platform-promises-to-make-america-affordable-again-so-why-are-they-embracing-fiscal-insanity/

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The Republican National Committee just released its 2024 platform. While calling it a platform is a stretch, the list of bullet points gives an idea of what the potential next Trump administration's goals are. Here's one issue that should be front and center: End inflation and make America affordable again.

To be sure, "make America more affordable" would be a great slogan and a great objective. It's similar to what many have called an "abundance agenda." While there is plenty to dislike in a platform that at times feels unserious and destructive, this part I like.

Abundance isn't achieved by the same old subsidies or tax breaks for special interests, price controls, or spending loads of taxpayer money on transfer payments. It's achieved by freeing up the supply side of our economy. That means freeing producers and innovators from excessive regulatory obstacles and heavy tax burdens (including tariffs) so they can provide more of what Americans need.

The Trump administration platform assures us it will move in this direction. For instance, it wants to increase America's dominance as an energy producer, which will only be achieved through a deregulation agenda. Apart from counterproductive tax incentives for first-time homeowners, it expresses a commitment to lowering housing costs through deregulation.

The platform states it will "cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations" as well as "end the Socialist Green New Deal." I assume that means ending the expensive subsidies and tax breaks in the Inflation Reduction Act. Great idea, but get ready to hear all the recipients of these handouts cry that they won't be able to do what they were already doing before being given the subsidies.

A deregulation agenda would serve the Republicans' goal of boosting manufacturing much better than tariffs, which former President Donald Trump continues to love despite overwhelming evidence that they don't do what he claims. Most tariffs raise the prices of inputs used by American firms, including manufacturing, to produce outputs that serve their customers.

Something similar could be said about Republicans' swipes at immigrants. Fewer immigrants will create labor supply shortages, hurt manufacturing, and slow the economy.

Still, even with their disastrous trade and immigration agenda and the many contradictory goals espoused by this platform, implementing the deregulatory part of the agenda will make some strides at freeing the supply side and hence lowering prices. Indeed, President Joe Biden has not only maintained many of Trump's tariffs, but he's added some of its own. He's also systematically favored subsidizing the demand for certain things—nudging customers to buy what he wants them to buy—while taking actions that restrict supply. That's a recipe for affordability failure.

But as far as affordability goes, I'm less optimistic about the prospect of the next administration ending inflation. That's because Trump and other Republicans are firmly embracing fiscal irresponsibility and excessive debt. The platform contains no mention of a plan to get government debt under control. Instead, it pledges to "fight for and protect Social Security and Medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age."

Many voters love hearing this promise. But maintaining these two objectively underfinanced programs will inevitably explode the debt burden over the next 30 years. In the entire history of the United States so far, Uncle Sam has accumulated roughly $34 trillion in debt. Under the Trump plan, the government would need to borrow another $124 trillion for these programs alone.

Leaving aside the question of who will lend us all this money when foreign buyers are already scaling back purchases of U.S. Treasuries, remember that most of the inflation we've recently suffered is the product of massive Biden administration spending on top of the COVID-19 spending without any plan to pay for it. As such, announcing that the U.S. will simply go on another borrowing spree sends a poor signal, and it might even increase inflation.

This is made more important because Trump wants to make permanent the tax cuts that are set to expire after 2025, end taxes on tips, and more. If Congress and the president do this without any offsetting spending reductions, it will add at least another $4 trillion in debt over 10 years. With more inflationary fuel, we could easily see the Federal Reserve raise interest rates again, making borrowing money even more expensive than it already is.

The bottom line is that Trump's deregulatory agenda could have a shot at lowering some prices. But it will only be a game-changer if he becomes serious about fiscal responsibility. Right now, he isn't, so I wouldn't count on it.

More proof of the uni-party.  And politicians who are too chicken shit to truly change the federal government,  effectively ruining this country for our children and grandchildren.

[Muda69]

https://apnews.com/article/trump-vp-vance-rubio-7c7ba6b99b5f38d2d840ed95b2fdc3e5

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BUTLER, Pa. (AP) — Donald Trump’s campaign said in a statement that the former president was “fine” after a shooting at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. A local prosecutor says the suspected gunman and at least one attendee are dead.

 

“President Trump thanks law enforcement and first responders for their quick action during this heinous act,” spokesman Steven Cheung said in a statement. “He is fine and is being checked out at a local medical facility. More details will follow.”

 

The Secret Service said in a statement that “the former President is safe.”

 

Butler County district attorney Richard Goldinger said in a phone interview that the suspected gunman was dead and at least one rally attendee was killed.

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This country is going crazy.

 

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-vp-vance-rubio-7c7ba6b99b5f38d2d840ed95b2fdc3e5

This country is going crazy.

 

I think we all knew it was a matter of time. The political elites in this country do NOT want this man to be our president. Average everyday Americans should be asking why this is. Why do the political elites hate this man so much? Because he's not a member of the political good 'ol boy club? I'm not blaming anyone at this point, but the timing came when Biden hit an all time low after the debate and several attempts to put Trump in jail. I don't see any of this as coincidence. 

[temptation]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I think we all knew it was a matter of time. The political elites in this country do NOT want this man to be our president. Average everyday Americans should be asking why this is. Why do the political elites hate this man so much? Because he's not a member of the political good 'ol boy club? I'm not blaming anyone at this point, but the timing came when Biden hit an all time low after the debate and several attempts to put Trump in jail. I don't see any of this as coincidence. 

The left wing media and their anti-Trump “Hitler” rhetoric caused this and they have blood on their hands.

They have advocated for this for years with their hyperbolic embellishment.

No other explanation.

Still confused about who the bad guys are?

Edited July 14, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

7 hours ago, temptation said:

The left wing media and their anti-Trump “Hitler” rhetoric caused this and they have blood on their hands.

They have advocated for this for years with their hyperbolic embellishment.

No other explanation.

Still confused about who the bad guys are?

Not confused at all. One political party has changed over the years far more than the other. We all saw the writing on the wall with what happened yesterday. There is no other path to victory for the Dems. Sick world we are living in. We the people, lol. 

[temptation]

59 minutes ago, BTF said:

Not confused at all. One political party has changed over the years far more than the other. We all saw the writing on the wall with what happened yesterday. There is no other path to victory for the Dems. Sick world we are living in. We the people, lol. 

Wait until the bodies cool and they have the nerve to switch the argument back to guns.

I am already hearing that the gunman was “a registered Republican.”

The MSM has created this and will not stop now.

[BTF]

12 minutes ago, temptation said:

Wait until the bodies cool and they have the nerve to switch the argument back to guns.

I am already hearing that the gunman was “a registered Republican.”

The MSM has created this and will not stop now.

A wise man once told me, "only believe 1/3 of what you hear." 

Edited July 14, 2024 by BTF

[temptation]

5 minutes ago, BTF said:

A wise man once told me, "only believe 1/3 of what you hear." 

That’s a stretch in modern day politics.

The media plays a humongous role in yesterday’s events and has an opportunity (hell, I’d even say an OBLIGATION) do send out a very important message and do the right thing, but will they?

I say give it 72 hours and they’ll be right back at it again with the hateful rhetoric.

 

Edited July 14, 2024 by temptation

[Bobref]

When I heard about the shooting, I turned to my wife and said: “By 8 a.m. tomorrow you will be able to find national media outlets wondering if Trump didn’t stage the whole thing as a vote-getting ploy.” 

And I wouldn’t worry about some grand conspiracy. We’ll find out soon that the shooter was a lone whacko who thought he was doing the country a service. Trump’s rhetoric is often inflammatory and tends to trigger violent behavior (Jan. 6 anyone?) in those that are already unbalanced, regardless of party affiliation. This should not come as a shock to anyone. But I’m sure the right-wing fearmongers out there will try to make big political capital off this. Just another bizarre twist in an already bizarre presidential campaign.

[Muda69]

9 hours ago, temptation said:

Still confused about who the bad guys are?

Not at all.  It is still Democrat = Republican = Uni-Party.  The only real difference between the two parties is whose money they want to steal to fund their big government schemes.

 

 

[Muda69]

29 minutes ago, Bobref said:

And I wouldn’t worry about some grand conspiracy. We’ll find out soon that the shooter was a lone whacko who thought he was doing the country a service.

Here is what little info has been released so far about the suspected shooter:  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/heres-what-we-know-about-thomas-matthew-crooks-suspected-trump-rally-shooter-2024-07-14/

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BETHEL PARK, Pennsylvania, July 14 (Reuters) - The FBI identified 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania as the suspect in Saturday's attempted assassination of former U.S. President Donald Trump at a campaign rally.

 

The suspect was shot and killed by the Secret Service seconds after he allegedly fired shots toward a stage where Trump was speaking in Butler, Pennsylvania.

The FBI said it was working to determine a motive for the attack, in which one rally attendee died and two other spectators were critically injured. Trump was shot in the ear.

 

State voter records show that Crooks was a registered Republican. The upcoming Nov. 5 election would have been the first time Crooks had been old enough to vote in a presidential race.

 

Crooks lived about an hour away from where the shooting took place in Butler. The Federal Aviation Administration said on Sunday that it closed the airspace over Bethel Park for "special security reasons."

 

When Crooks was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing. The donation was earmarked for the Progressive Turnout Project, a national group that rallies Democrats to vote. The groups did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

 

Crooks' father, Matthew Crooks, 53, told CNN that he was trying to figure out what happened and would wait until he spoke to law enforcement before speaking about his son.

 

Thomas Crooks graduated in 2022 from Bethel Park High School, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. He received a $500 "star award" from the National Math and Science Initiative, according to the newspaper.

 

A 2022 graduation ceremony video cited by the New York Times shows Crooks receiving his high school diploma to some applause. Video from that ceremony posted online shows Crooks with glasses in a black graduation gown and posing with a school official. Reuters could not immediately verify the authenticity of the video.

 

Law enforcement officials said on Saturday that Crooks carried no identification to the site of the shooting and had to be identified using other methods.

"We're looking at photographs right now and we're trying to run his DNA and get biometric confirmation," Kevin Rojek, FBI special agent in charge, said during a press briefing.

 

USA Today reported that dozens of law enforcement vehicles were stationed outside a residence listed at the address on Crooks' voter registration record. Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were on the scene and a bomb squad was at the residence, USA Today reported.

 

The perimeter of the residence of the suspect was guarded on Sunday by yellow police caution tape. An Allegheny County Police vehicle was parked outside.

“It’s insanity that anyone would do this,” Dan Maloney, a 30-year-old resident from the area was quoted as saying by USA Today.

Reuters could not immediately identify social media accounts or other online postings by Crooks. Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, did not immediately respond to questions on whether the platforms had removed any accounts related to the suspect.

 

 

[Muda69]

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

When I heard about the shooting, I turned to my wife and said: “By 8 a.m. tomorrow you will be able to find national media outlets wondering if Trump didn’t stage the whole thing as a vote-getting ploy.” 

And I wouldn’t worry about some grand conspiracy. We’ll find out soon that the shooter was a lone whacko who thought he was doing the country a service. Trump’s rhetoric is often inflammatory and tends to trigger violent behavior (Jan. 6 anyone?) in those that are already unbalanced, regardless of party affiliation. This should not come as a shock to anyone. But I’m sure the right-wing fearmongers out there will try to make big political capital off this. Just another bizarre twist in an already bizarre presidential campaign.

Why do you think we will find out so soon?

Does it fit a certain narrative?

I am still awaiting the Nashville school shooters manifesto…

This post is pretty bizarre…even for you.

[Bobref]

40 minutes ago, temptation said:

Why do you think we will find out so soon?

Because there’s not much to “find out.”

Does it fit a certain narrative?

Because it “fits” doesn’t mean the narrative is inaccurate.

I am still awaiting the Nashville school shooters manifesto…

Speaking of bizarre …

This post is pretty bizarre…even for you.

Your paranoia is showing.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Bobref

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

Your paranoia is showing.

Your lack of paranoia is worse.  We just had a presidential candidate within an inch of losing his life to a bullet dude.

You blaming Trump’s “inflammatory rhetoric” and shrugging your shoulders is irresponsible and embarrassing.

 

[Bobref]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

Your lack of paranoia is worse.  We just had a presidential candidate within an inch of losing his life to a bullet dude.

You blaming Trump’s “inflammatory rhetoric” and shrugging your shoulders is irresponsible and embarrassing.

This is a consequence of your paranoia. Nobody “blamed” Trump. But no one can deny that his rhetoric is polarizing. “Blame” connotes fault. That’s why I never used that word. Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric was a “cause” of the attempt on his life, but that’s not to say he was to “blame.” But you — and many other Trump supporters that I know — embrace the “us vs. the world” underdog mentality, which causes them to see demons where there aren’t any. That’s why many of those people, like you, for example, confuse “cause” with “blame.”

[temptation]

42 minutes ago, Bobref said:

This is a consequence of your paranoia. Nobody “blamed” Trump. But no one can deny that his rhetoric is polarizing. “Blame” connotes fault. That’s why I never used that word. Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric was a “cause” of the attempt on his life, but that’s not to say he was to “blame.” But you — and many other Trump supporters that I know — embrace the “us vs. the world” underdog mentality, which causes them to see demons where there aren’t any. That’s why many of those people, like you, for example, confuse “cause” with “blame.”

I’ve never voted for Trump in my life but it’s pretty easy to see what’s going on at this point…

(Also, I’d argue that Biden’s rhetoric is also polarizing ( in a slightly different way) but no one has attempted to blow his head off.)

Edited July 14, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

But no one can deny that his rhetoric is polarizing. 

Your views are clearly one sided. Not sure how you can say that Trumps rhetoric is polarizing without saying the same thing about ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN. He's got his back against the wall. It's Trump versus all media outlets but two. He'll do what he needs to do to defend himself, get his message out there, and call out the political elites (the swamp). You'd do the same. Left wing media is destroying America with Trump rhetoric, and especially racism rhetoric. Left wing racism saddens me.