temptation Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 3 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Biden's Race-Ending Debate Performance Was So Bad That It Eclipsed Trump's Flagrant Falsehoods: https://reason.com/2024/07/22/bidens-race-ending-debate-performance-was-so-bad-that-it-eclipsed-trumps-flagrant-dishonesty/ Yes, it was too bad to ignore. As a Michigan football fan, during the later years of the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke eras I became numb and found myself rooting for them to lose as it would speed up the process of hitting the reset button. This is no different. Biden was so bad that night that panic ensued and they had no other choice. My problem lies within the fact that the MSM and DC attempted to hide Biden’s cognitive decline until they realized it was impossible to do so and that he was a lame duck in the upcoming election. Fox, by the way, the very network you chastised above ran pieces on Biden’s decline all the way back in 2020 and were called “conspiracy theorists.”
Muda69 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 1 hour ago, temptation said: Yes, it was too bad to ignore. As a Michigan football fan, during the later years of the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke eras I became numb and found myself rooting for them to lose as it would speed up the process of hitting the reset button. This is no different. Biden was so bad that night that panic ensued and they had no other choice. My problem lies within the fact that the MSM and DC attempted to hide Biden’s cognitive decline until they realized it was impossible to do so and that he was a lame duck in the upcoming election. Fox, by the way, the very network you chastised above ran pieces on Biden’s decline all the way back in 2020 and were called “conspiracy theorists.” So you have zero issues with Mr. Trump's flagrant falsehoods? That is what the article was about, not Mr. Biden. Blinders.
temptation Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 4 minutes ago, Muda69 said: So you have zero issues with Mr. Trump's flagrant falsehoods? That is what the article was about, not Mr. Biden. Blinders. No one is attempting to deny Trump’s falsehoods, rather embellish them and take many of them out of context. ”Bleach.” ”Very fine people.” ”Will surrender Ukraine to Putin.” ”Kids in camps.” ”National abortion ban.” Biden, specifically his cognitive decline, was hidden by everyone in DC and in left-wing media. That’s the difference. CNN/MSNBC have been doing backflips since the debate as their narrative/messaging has changed with Biden and the Democratic Party. Fox had this specific part correct from day 1.
Muda69 Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 12 minutes ago, temptation said: No one is attempting to deny Trump’s falsehoods, rather embellish them and take many of them out of context. Ahh, the good old "out of context" excuse. Since you obviously didn't read the article I'll take a snippet of one of Mr. Trump's falsehoods, and you tell me how it was taken out off context in regards to the article in question. Bolded emphasis is mine, so you don't have to do so much hard work in reading: FTA: Quote "We had the greatest economy in the history of our country," Trump declared at the very beginning of the debate. "We had never done so well." Gross domestic product growth during Trump's four years in office averaged 2.3 percent. Even during the three pre-pandemic years, the average was a modest 2.5 percent. That's a bit higher than annual GDP growth under Barack Obama and George W. Bush, and it's significantly higher than the average rate under George H.W. Bush. But it is lower than the growth seen during the Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, and Eisenhower administrations.
temptation Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 9 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Ahh, the good old "out of context" excuse. Since you obviously didn't read the article I'll take a snippet of one of Mr. Trump's falsehoods, and you tell me how it was taken out off context in regards to the article in question. Bolded emphasis is mine, so you don't have to do so much hard work in reading: FTA: Boring.
Muda69 Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 16 hours ago, temptation said: Boring. Your laziness is duly noted.
swordfish Posted July 24, 2024 Author Posted July 24, 2024 From a friend of SF: If you look back at Reagan in 1980, "Are You Better Off than 4 years ago. Bush in 1988 with Willie Horton and Slick Willie and Carville in 1992 with "IT's the Economy, Stupid." Trump, Vance (still wish it was Tim Scott) and the GOP need to keep Biden where he's at so Americans can see how bad a Democrat president is through election day. They need to repeat about 4-5 sentences. Harris' debacle on her only job---the border, 10 million illegals, high crime and 150,000 fentanyl deaths. World War 3 building up in the Middle East and Ukraine. Terrible public schools for the poor kids. 40-year high inflation and supermarket sky high prices. Sky high interest rates. Sky high gas prices and her wanting us to go broke buying electric vehicles. Stay on the topics Americans want and repeat it over and over and over throughout the day, everyday, till November 5. Stay on topic. They could easily use Reagan, Bush and Slick Willie's campaign sentences, all 3, this year!!!! Add to this that the only thing(s) the Democrats have to run on is abortion and "Trump is a bad guy w/a felony conviction. SF Still thinks this election is the Republicans to lose.....
Muda69 Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 15 minutes ago, swordfish said: World War 3 building up in the Middle East and Ukraine. Mostly due to continued American and/or NATO interference in those regions, all in the name of making a buck for the M-I-C.
temptation Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Muda69 said: Your laziness is duly noted. Nah, all lies aren’t created equal. Some lies put lives in danger (white supremacy is our greatest threat, the police are demonizing and hunting black people, Trump is Hitler and must be stopped) and I am supposed to lose sleep over a few economic percentage points? Yawn. Trump has been and always will be hyperbolic but let’s not pretend he’s alone. Hey @Muda69, where do you stand on gender affirming surgery for minors? Edited July 24, 2024 by temptation 1
Muda69 Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 4 minutes ago, temptation said: Hey @Muda69, where do you stand on gender affirming surgery for minors? I oppose it, unless it also has the approval of the minor's parents/legal guardians. I do not support this crap of the state allowing these kind of treatments behind the backs of the parents/legal guardians, or in some cases in spite of the parents opposition. 1
temptation Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 Just now, Muda69 said: I oppose it, unless it also has the approval of the minor's parents/legal guardians. I do not support this crap of the state allowing these kind of treatments behind the backs of the parents/legal guardians, or in some cases in spite of the parents opposition. How about men participating in women’s sports? (I know this is a bit of a straw man argument that is embellished by the right but still interested in your take.)
Muda69 Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 1 minute ago, temptation said: How about men participating in women’s sports? (I know this is a bit of a straw man argument that is embellished by the right but still interested in your take.) I do not support it. The physical characteristics of men and women that participate in sports is too different. 1
temptation Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Muda69 said: I do not support it. The physical characteristics of men and women that participate in sports is too different. So this is where we agree and where I have little patience and tolerance for the left’s claim to “protect women’s rights.” They pick and choose. They are hypocrites. The party of science often conveniently ignores basic biology. “My body, my choice” when it’s convenient. Otherwise, wear your damn mask, stay 6 feet away from me and get your damn vaccine and updated boosters or else.” Edited July 24, 2024 by temptation
Bobref Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 50 minutes ago, temptation said: My body, my choice” when it’s convenient. Otherwise, wear your damn mask, stay 6 feet away from me and get your damn vaccine and updated boosters or else.” That you see the situations as comparable is inexplicable, as you appear to be of at least average intelligence.
temptation Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bobref said: That you see the situations as comparable is inexplicable, as you appear to be of at least average intelligence. Enlighten me Bob. ”Keep your hands off of my body unless it’s regarding the useless vaccine my administration pushed upon you, ostracized you over and threatened to take your job away if you did not submit to.” Not all that different. Women’s rights are a wide umbrella. (Also, I’m not sure the guy posting memes about an assassination attempt before the deceased victim’s body is even in the ground has any leg to stand on here.) Edited July 24, 2024 by temptation
Bobref Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 6 minutes ago, temptation said: Not all that different. Orders of magnitude different.
temptation Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 2 minutes ago, Bobref said: Orders of magnitude different. Depending upon circumstances I’d be willing to come to some common ground and agree to this statement but of course you refuse to publicize your stance rather judge others’ for what you think theirs is.
BTF Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 20 minutes ago, temptation said: Depending upon circumstances I’d be willing to come to some common ground and agree to this statement but of course you refuse to publicize your stance rather judge others’ for what you think theirs is. I wouldn't budge. Most people of above average intelligence would conclude that your comparisons between pro choice and vaccines warrants validation.
temptation Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BTF said: I wouldn't budge. Most people of above average intelligence would conclude that your comparisons between pro choice and vaccines warrants validation. Circumstances for considering an abortion are wide ranging…ANYONE (all the way down to the guardians of infants) was a social outcast for being skeptical of the vaccine. Remember in the fall of 2020 when it was “Trump’s vaccine” and it was acceptable to be skeptical? I do. Edited July 24, 2024 by temptation 1
Bobref Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 1 hour ago, temptation said: judge others’ for what you think theirs is. An example? As I don’t recall doing so.
Bobref Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 2 hours ago, temptation said: “My body, my choice” when it’s convenient. Otherwise, wear your damn mask, stay 6 feet away from me and get your damn vaccine and updated boosters or else.” 48 minutes ago, BTF said: I wouldn't budge. Most people of above average intelligence would conclude that your comparisons between pro choice and vaccines warrants validation. What fun it would be to cross-examine you two!
temptation Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 22 minutes ago, Bobref said: What fun it would be to cross-examine you two! @Bobref, I believe you meet the textbook (pun intended) definition of “book smart”…and I mean that in the most respectful way possible. Other than that, I dunno. 1
BTF Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Bobref said: What fun it would be to cross-examine you two! My track record versus attorneys is a respectable 2-0. I've got my money on Temp. You struggle on this forum against him, not sure what makes you think you'd do better in a court room. Edited July 24, 2024 by BTF
Muda69 Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 2 hours ago, temptation said: Enlighten me Bob. ”Keep your hands off of my body unless it’s regarding the useless vaccine my administration pushed upon you, ostracized you over and threatened to take your job away if you did not submit to.” Not all that different. Women’s rights are a wide umbrella. (Also, I’m not sure the guy posting memes about an assassination attempt before the deceased victim’s body is even in the ground has any leg to stand on here.) So the abortion of a fetus can be caused by air transmission, like a covid-19 infection? 21 minutes ago, BTF said: My track record versus attorneys is a respectable 2-0. I've got my money on Temp. You struggle on this forum against him, not sure what makes you think you'd do better in a court room. Please enlighten us. Were these supposed victories you were involved with as part of the prosecution or part of the defense?
temptation Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 16 minutes ago, Muda69 said: So the abortion of a fetus can be caused by air transmission, like a covid-19 infection? Please enlighten us. Were these supposed victories you were involved with as part of the prosecution or part of the defense? Yes, great takeaway.
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