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Stigma > gas / travel. IMO. South Newton informed their teams they are going 8 man football this year. Frontier and Benton Central have just announced looking for games for weeks 3 and 8.

I can understand and agree on 8 man football. I am not an admin (nor do I ever care to be) but if I had a guess as to why the resistance to 8 man it would be two things: 1) travel, as @Muda69 points out. Honestly, that is no illegitimate concern given the price of fuel. 2) I think maybe the best word would be maybe "stigma" or maybe "lack of understanding," and not even on the part of admin themselves but also the community. There's no easy solution to be sure.

A hill I would fight on - Girls Flag should have been a SPRING sport. That is all.

No Doubt, it was my understanding that many times those games were done with a multi game same day events.

Currently it would be insane travel times and it looks like only 6 schools are doing it: https://www.maxpreps.com/in/football/25-26/class/class-8-man/rankings/1/?statedivisionid=b1103a6e-6934-4306-ba45-4320327284d8&teamsize=8

I have no issues with Co Op as an idea to get participation, but how to do it is the ultimate quagmire for me personally. I think state leaders and myself included from my personal belief, before CO OPs, schools should adopt 8 man. Not sure why INDIANA FB programs right now has some angst against it. Especially when there is a path to go from 8 to 11 when numbers improve. It's a change yes, but if the goal is to play a game of tackle football then 8 man is an OUTSTANDING choice for programs who are in this boat of this conversation . 8 man has over 1000 HS teams over 30 states. Not for Males Girls Flag is gaining momentum nation wide at HS and College levels

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2026/08/06/jonathan-taylor-signs-two-year-extension-with-colts/91194455007/ A well deserved extension for the Colts best offensive player.

Is flag football not being legitimized where it's 5 on 5 and I believe rosters of 10? Could even float less than this if needed. An option for low pop schools.

Cascade must be living the dream right now. Win the 2025 3A title as one of the smallest schools in that class, then with reclassification you get moved to 2A as one the largest schools. Although the move may be shorted lived if they get success-factored.

Also hearing Northwood has a new starting QB who is a transfer.

I absolutely agree, however, does this mean the option should not exist? Also, if memory serves correct, the needle on this moved a bit from the first time this was proposed correct? I feel like 2 years ago, the spread on the vote was rather large, like double digits large, but this year wasn't the spread only 3 or 4 votes?

RACK IT !!!!!

Perhaps, but be interesting see what it looks like 3 years from now, vs 3 months since enacted Many reason why families choose to go places,,sure some WINNING is #1 or program culture, but that is nowhere near the sole or some could argue not even first priority, but for sure a factor for many.

# Team Ovr. Rating 1 Brownsburg 0-0 103.39 2 Westfield 0-0 92.07 3 Center Grove 0-0 89.50 4 Carmel 0-0 88.55 5 Lawrence North 0-0 85.14 6 Fishers 0-0 82.13 7 Hamilton Southeastern 0-0 80.90 8 Decatur Central 0-0 80.80 9 Warren Central 0-0 78.99 10 Carroll 0-0 78.37 11 Avon 0-0 77.33 12 Lawrence Central 0-0 76.87 13 Franklin Central 0-0 75.80 14 Ben Davis 0-0 75.66 15 Crown Point 0-0 74.72 16 Zionsville 0-0 73.60 17 Merrillville 0-0 73.09 18 Penn 0-0 68.41 19 Pike 0-0 67.04 20 Whiteland 0-0 66.86 21 Homestead 0-0 66.61 22 Columbus North 0-0 65.46 23 Noblesville 0-0 62.39 24 Harrison 0-0 59.03 25 Fort Wayne Northrop 0-0 57.75

# Team Ovr. Rating 1 New Palestine 0-0 91.87 2 Cathedral 0-0 83.69 3 Bloomington South 0-0 71.89 4 Plainfield 0-0 68.87 5 Pendleton Heights 0-0 63.82 6 Terre Haute South Vigo 0-0 63.32 7 Concord 0-0 63.13 8 Lafayette Jefferson 0-0 62.90 9 Fort Wayne Snider 0-0 61.16 10 Michigan City 0-0 60.74 11 Warsaw 0-0 58.88 12 Floyd Central 0-0 54.41 13 Evansville North 0-0 54.15 14 Bloomington North 0-0 53.83 15 Franklin Community 0-0 53.64 16 Chesterton 0-0 52.36 17 Greenfield-Central 0-0 49.10 18 Castle 0-0 48.93 19 Huntington North 0-0 45.58 20 McCutcheon 0-0 43.22 21 La Porte 0-0 38.58 22 Fort Wayne South Side 0-0 34.38 23 South Bend Adams 0-0 29.21 24 Munster 0-0 28.89 25 Seymour 0-0 28.18

# Team Ovr. Rating 1 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 0-0 81.79 2 Roncalli 0-0 80.62 3 East Central 0-0 75.39 4 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 0-0 75.20 5 Heritage Hills 0-0 68.64 6 Yorktown 0-0 62.81 7 Mishawaka 0-0 62.72 8 East Noble 0-0 61.68 9 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 0-0 58.97 10 Leo 0-0 58.87 11 Guerin Catholic 0-0 58.82 12 Northview 0-0 58.68 13 Hobart 0-0 58.43 14 Mooresville 0-0 58.23 15 Martinsville 0-0 56.33 16 South Bend Saint Joseph 0-0 55.84 17 Lowell 0-0 54.83 18 Evansville Reitz 0-0 54.62 19 Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory 0-0 54.52 20 Jasper 0-0 53.55 21 Lebanon 0-0 53.15 22 NorthWood 0-0 52.92 23 Fort Wayne North Side 0-0 52.87 24 DeKalb 0-0 52.59 25 Danville 0-0 52.19

# Team Ovr. Rating 1 Gibson Southern 0-0 69.07 2 Adams Central 0-0 63.79 3 Evansville Memorial 0-0 62.84 4 Lawrenceburg 0-0 62.34 5 Andrean 0-0 62.27 6 Tri-West Hendricks 0-0 57.33 7 Indian Creek 0-0 53.95 8 West Noble 0-0 53.75 9 Eastbrook 0-0 53.30 10 Mississinewa 0-0 53.18 11 Franklin County 0-0 52.34 12 Tippecanoe Valley 0-0 51.93 13 Bluffton 0-0 50.86 14 Hamilton Heights 0-0 50.81 15 Evansville Mater Dei 0-0 50.44 16 Angola 0-0 50.08 17 Southridge 0-0 49.64 18 Western 0-0 49.15 19 West Lafayette 0-0 49.07 20 Griffith 0-0 48.26 21 Twin Lakes 0-0 48.15 22 Garrett 0-0 47.59 23 Western Boone 0-0 46.95 24 Centerville 0-0 45.99 25 Sullivan 0-0 45.82

# Team Ovr. Rating 1 Cascade 0-0 64.99 2 Brownstown Central 0-0 61.83 3 Knox 0-0 60.25 4 Lapel 0-0 58.29 5 Indianapolis Lutheran 0-0 57.67 6 South Putnam 0-0 56.93 7 Linton-Stockton 0-0 56.29 8 Triton Central 0-0 55.32 9 Rochester 0-0 52.18 10 Eastside 0-0 52.05 11 Alexandria-Monroe 0-0 50.50 12 Southmont 0-0 50.13 13 Northeastern 0-0 48.75 14 Providence 0-0 48.39 15 Eastern Hancock 0-0 47.52 16 Eastern 0-0 46.60 17 LaVille 0-0 45.68 18 Monrovia 0-0 43.68 19 Wheeler 0-0 43.23 20 Oak Hill 0-0 42.57 21 North Posey 0-0 42.06 22 Lewis Cass 0-0 41.11 23 Winchester Community 0-0 41.00 24 Shenandoah 0-0 40.79 25 Rensselaer Central 0-0 39.60

# Team Ovr. Rating 1 Pioneer 0-0 53.45 2 North Judson-San Pierre 0-0 49.57 3 Riverton Parke 0-0 49.39 4 South Adams 0-0 49.33 5 North Decatur 0-0 46.61 6 Churubusco 0-0 45.84 7 Springs Valley 0-0 45.15 8 Carroll 0-0 44.52 9 Sheridan 0-0 42.95 10 Milan 0-0 42.63 11 North Miami 0-0 41.88 12 Madison-Grant 0-0 41.23 13 Triton 0-0 40.65 14 Tri 0-0 40.38 15 Frontier 0-0 40.21 16 North Daviess 0-0 39.16 17 West Central 0-0 37.08 18 Fountain Central 0-0 32.21 19 Lafayette Central Catholic 0-0 31.23 20 Knightstown 0-0 30.92 21 Cloverdale 0-0 29.71 22 Fremont 0-0 29.52 23 Taylor 0-0 28.67 24 Clinton Prairie 0-0 28.11 25 North Knox 0-0 26.04

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New Albany had their first ever winless season last year.

Absolutely. Why stay in a program that you know won't win anything? Open enrollment was one thing, but the transfer rule will only make things worse.

This may be the best fantasy league loser's challenge I have ever seen.

I would add Bellmont as another shocker. Past state champion who has lost 42 in a row?

That was my era. They had a QB named Danny Capes. They could throw it a little bit. BNL had some good guys. The Spreen guys. I think that was early Brett Szabo days. Joe Goodman at Seymour. Early Bob Gaddis. The good ole days!