Bash Riprock

Are you a career politician? Smoke and mirrors. AGAIN, I am going to ask you to provide one historical example since the Indiana Mr. Football award started in 1992, where one (JUST ONE) recepient from Indy metro was an undeserving award winner and the award should have went individual in a different area of the state. I am giving you every opportunity to use an OUTLIER data point to make your case. I have ready Brady's passing stats and I know who has won the awards over time. I'm done trying to get you to buy into largest populations, highest number of quality programs, largest population of high quality players, etc and the impact that has on the probability of success. To you, its all about coaches that are biased and can't think for themselves because they read the IndyStar. Pretty simple theory....just provide us an example where this has actually occurred. A listing of award winners where a larger % of winners coming from central Indiana means nothing unless you can articulate with solid rationale WHY they weren't deserving and how selection bias led to their selection. Without that, all you offer is OPINION and SPECULATION. The challenge remains in your court...give me ONE data point and make your case Mr. Stats....try not get frustrated, huff and puff and call others dumb because YOU can't make a case other then general speculation about selecting coach's behaviors.

I hear where you are coming from, but the SEC East this year was not the SEC West...but a long shot. While Arkansas improved, they are not among the SEC elite and Auburn was also down. Florida was a trash can fire...and it cost their coach his job. Clemson was way down. So I think GA got some blessings playing a weaker than normal SEC schedule. You have to have QB play to win, and I am not sold on the GA QB. (in fairness not sold on the Michigan QB) Should be a game that features defense, and it will be interesting to see the impact of the Dogs speed vs Michigan. I think the Dogs can win and I agree after their butt spanking in the SEC conference title game, they have much to prove.

I think OSU will win as well...but intrigued by this game. The Rose Bowl will mean everything for the Utes and their fans. Utah spanked Oregon twice....and OSU lost to the Ducks at home. But, something didn't seem right at Oregon at the end, as their give a crap factor seemed to go out the door. Maybe Mario knew for awhile he was headed back home.......

If you had the first clue what an outlier truly was, you'd provide a single sample to back up your ignorant claim regarding coach's selection bias. BTW. I'll buy circus tickets if you promise to leave and never come back

Yeah...kind of like claiming coaches are biased in the selection of the state's Mr. Football award to the Indy metro area, yet failing to provide one example of a unfair selection of the award to a local Indy player over a non-local Indy player...... BTW, you did notice the selection of the Mr. Football Offensive Line was a selection from southern Indiana over an outstanding player from Zionsville correct? Not sure how in the world the coaches were able pull their biased voting away from the metro area......🤪 #coachescan'tthinkforthemselves

ND can't get Michigan and Purdue routinely on the schedule anymore, but can include Ohio State, Marshall, UNLV and Cal?? I guess I just miss the old days. Also used to love ND playing Penn State and Pitt routinely. Got the classic photo hanging in my basement of ND vs Penn State, snow coming down, with Rick Mirer and Reggie Brooks. Not knocking the strength...just miss the old rivalries.....

I was bored last night while my spouse was watching a program that didn't grab my attention...I was thumbing through current Ivy League football rosters, checking out players from Indiana. I couldn't help noticing a number of former Cathedral players on Ivy League team rosters. Very impressive.

I wasn’t really disagreeing. The growth projections over the next decade have the school exceeding 3000. With interstate 69 coming through close by, and multiple exits to CG, my guess that brings even more development to the area. My comment was more about the massive size of Carmel. Now if CG can carry a roster the size of Cathedral….😉

A Civil War is a great book. Feinstein references an Army fullback by the name of Coby Short in a couple of places in the book. Coby played football here in our state for Bedford North Lawrence. Center Grove's Alex Aukerman had a great career at Army, and ended up #2 in all time sacks. His team won a couple of the games against Navy, 2 CIC trophies and is currently serving as an officer at Fort Knox, KY.

I agree Irish....SEC East was down this year. What was Georgia's biggest win? Kentucky? Auburn? When one studies their schedule, it doesn't really impress. Their opening win against a really down Clemson was a 10-3 score. I know I am alone on an island, but I thought Georgia deserved the #4 seed and while not sexy for viewers, should have had to prove themselves against Bama again for that really bad game. I am torn on Cincy...I want them to compete well against Bama. But I was at the Cincy/IU game. IU led at the half and was in that game until the end. This was after multiple turnovers, getting stopped on 4th down giving up an easy FG for 3, and losing Micah McFadden (their best player) in the first half when leading 14-0. If Cincy plays the way they did in the IU game, they are in for a long day against Bama.

When CG hits the 3000 mark, they will only be 2200 less than Carmel. Catching up!!!

Caden Curry does look good in his jersey for the All American Bowl. Way to represent Caden!!

I think coaches with the responsibility to vote will do their due diligence. You can make the same statement from a coach that fancies the FW publication over the IndyStar. I think there is always the potential for some regional bias...not just central Indiana. Stop it with the outlier stuff....You have no idea what I do for a living and how statistical principles play a part. I hate to break it to you, but you are not always the smartest guy in the room...and no level of snarkiness and insults will cover up that fact. When it comes to outliers, I have challenged you to provide an example...just one...where an Indy metro player was awarded Mr. Football over a more deserving non-Indy metro player. While doing so doesn't automatically validate the causal factor is coach voting bias, it would at least strengthen your argument. You have provided nothing other than your constant hot air. You have NOTHING.

I think the MIC top 4 will all be back...but I expect LN to keep pushing forward, LC was improving significantly at the end of last season.....and NC/Pike has talent. I believe the MIC will be more balanced next year overall.

Your talking about exposure from the state's largest publication. So you don't think those same coaches read what sportswriters have to say in more regional newspapers in Bloomington, Evansville, Fort Wayne, the region, South Bend, Louisville metro, etc.? I lived in southern Indiana...if there is bias, it can actually work the other way. People may not care as much about Indy as you think and in some cases, it may even lead to disdain for the area. Varsity coaches think for themselves way more than you are giving them credit. You are merely speculating bias, with zero evidence. I don't believe coaches that are voting are lazy. Coaches in all classes voted for Kiser....and I am willing to bet he earned a vote or two across the state, including central Indiana. I am going to ask you again, although its wasted breath. Can you name any Mr. Footballs from central Indiana (metro Indpls) that should not have received the award and should have gone to someone outside the Indy metro area?? Just one. Its probably easier to rant on and insult...But understand, others see that as intellectually lazy. Pedantic...nice word... thank you for correcting

But the bias wasn't about central Indiana...at least of what I read. It was about Kizer receiving all 10 votes by 1A and 2A coaches....which is what powered him to his victory. Voting in 3A and above was more balanced for both he and Bell. That is what I read that lead to the change. It was more based on coaches stacking the vote for candidates in certain classes, less about the geographical area. Perhaps I missed what drove the change....let me know if I missed it.....

And I will continue to say that purely looking at numbers from 1992 mean nothing statistically. Especially when the largest populations, overall largest schools and majority of the top programs/players come from central Indiana. You might want to consider basic probability in predicting outcomes. Actually, you do have something to prove. You are the once with the bias theory..not me .I am asking you to list Mr. Football winners from Indy metro area that were undeserving and the recepients should have come from other parts of the state. Instead of making wide generic accusations of bias, I challenge you to be specific and prove your bias theory. When you can start to list examples, then we can start to have meaningful discussions. Ball in your court....your bias theory has been challenged. Take a breath, try not to get triggered, fight off the urge to insult, and provide proof. My challenge is that the coaches across this state are not biased to select winners from the Indy metro area. that was the point he chose to avoid.......... Love it when you get stumped...that is the best you can offer...such a child.

You absolutely have proved nothing...other than getting triggered as usual when you run into someone that doesn't buy what you are trying to sell. First you blame the IndyStar...and then when called out by me and others for that being false, you evidently believe now the coaches are biased for the Indy area. As if coaches across the state can't think for themselves. Your application of statistics is beyond laughable....you are no expert in that arena. Another approach would be offering up players from outside the Indy region that were worthy of the award and lost out to Indy area players....that would have been a strong start in lieu of making unfounded accusations. You must give a sh*t as to what I think...because you stop yourself from the childish responses.

Sorry...I meant the final 2... Do you know what an outlier is? You just provided 2 examples over a relative short period with Warren Central alone. So you understand the concept of populations to include the locations of the best overall football programs in the state churning out not only the largest volume of players but the largest % of the best overall all around players and programs, right? You may not corner the market on statistics....then again, its not really statistics to claim the IndyStar influences the voting coaches across the state....that is more of a conspiracy theory......

Absolutely.....the claim is that the award isn't based upon a career, but it didn't help Yeast that he only played one season in Indiana. Far and away, the best all around player in the state of Indiana (offense, defense and special teams) and won the Indiana Gatorade Player of the Year. Helped his team all the way to the state finals with a crushing OT loss, while the QB that won it played on a team that never won a sectional. (I believe) BTW, congrats to Yeast making 1st Team All Big 12 playing safety for Kansas State this year.

How does that support your argument that the Indy metro area is favored by the IndyStar (which according to you influences the vote of the coaches across the state) when not only is David Bell not selected, but his teammate Romeir Elliott didn't even make the list? You further make a true statement about Shakir Bell being snubbed in 2009/10. These examples you provided don't support your claim of the Indy metro bias by the IndyStar......

I was on the John Harrell site (thank you John for amazing info) at the 2020 and 2021 Center Grove seasons, in which the team went 28-0 and won consecutive class 6A state championships. Pretty interesting data. Head to Head (CG victories) Ben Davis 4-0 Warren Central 3-0 Lawrence North 3-0 Carmel 2-0 Cathedral 2-0 Westfield 2-0 North Central 2-0 Indpls Pike 2-0 Lawrence Central 2-0 Decatur Central 2-0 Columbus North 2-0 Franklin Central 1-0 Columbus East 1-0 Total 28 Wins 0 Losses 2020 - 589 points scored and 107 points given up. 42.1 points/game scored; 7.6 points/game allowed 2021 - 571 points scored and 154 points allowed. 40.8 points/game scored; 11.0 points/game allowed Total - 1160 points scored and 261 points allowed. 41.4 points/game scored; 9.3 points/game allowed Note: Both seasons were in the running clock era. Also, a number of points scored against the Trojans occurred after starters were pulled. I am not sure where that places the Trojans 2 year performance in Indiana football history, but it has to be up there among the best, especially playing in the MIC against stellar athletes and excellent coaches. I guess that is up for debate. Congrats Trojans football, Coach Eric Moore and staff for what you accomplished!! May be awhile before this type of streak is repeated.

I don't know...your son was a lot of fun to watch on the field from his safety position....until he played CG. That wasn't fun at all!! 😄 Its great to see him doing so well at Toledo!!

unless you think you have pro potential, any academy is a great option. Service to country, a degree that will last a lifetime, and a network that will benefit a person their entire life. Plus, the academies play at some great venues. But I understand the academies are not for everyone. More than stats.....

In fairness to Penix, we don't know the message he received. He may have been flat out told he did not factor into the plans....the same message Peyton Ramsey was given when Penix replaced him and he finished his career at Northwestern. Looks like the Hoosiers have named a new offensive coordinator. Thoughts? https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/report-iu-football-to-hire-walt-bell-as-next-offensive-coordinator/