Bash Riprock

Traitor? You mean to those same state universities that have no problem admitting an out of state student over a state resident student because it means more $$. Go check out the rosters of IU, Purdue, ISU, Ball State football teams. They are chocked full of out of stats traitors.

How do you know who leaked what?? You speculate and somehow this makes it truth? Do you have any source besides a message board?? 😝 You teach someone a lesson by acting like a scorned middle schooler? If I go back in the archives, would I find any past posts from DT about the HCC becoming the future power conference? Or am I confusing you? (I may be)

No disagreement. Zack Martín was and still is a beast!! As good as it gets. My comments about Curry is that he played and excelled in all 3 phases of the game. He lined up in multiple defensive and offensive positions. He was the long snapper. He had punt blocks and many special teams tackles in his career. It’s his versatility and the ability to excel at these positions is why I call him the best all around player. That is not a negative on anyone else. It’s just a difference. Why some who want others to win the award attempt to diminish Curry’s accomplishments and abilities, it’s just laughable. But that being said, I agree and have stated it over and over…history tells us lineman don’t win this award. As I’ve said prior multiple times, don’t expect it to be any different this year.

Curry just didn’t block from the offensive backfield during his time at CG. Enjoy the holidays.

I get it…you are one of those guys that believes your candle burns brighter when you attempt to blow out the candles of others….. People are going to be split on this…and that’s just the way it is. As I said, historically, this award is about offense. Relax a little. No need to try and convince anyone. BTW, Curry just didn’t carry the ball when playing offense. He blocked. Something QB’s really appreciate.

LOL...Fall back. Let's see how many defensive players have won the award since its beginning in 1992? ONE. That's not preparing for a fall back...that's called dealing with reality. Allen may be the best offensive player in the state. (assuming we ignore that he doesn't play the highest caliber of competition) He is not the best all around player in the state. Not by a long shot. If he were, we would have some STATS (lol) that are not just on the offensive side of the ball. Allen had a great state championship game at the 3A level. 5 TD's and 3 picks. But he was not playing against Westfield. Brady also didn't play on defense and multiple special teams. When CG needed a first down in their title game, they brought in a defensive player and put the ball in his hands. Did Brady ever come in and play defense on critical plays? Was he long snapping and playing other special teams? You are absolutely entitled to your opinion....matters not to me. We agree that Allen is an excellent QB. Curry is an excellent all around football player and according to some very big power 5 schools, a heck of a defensive lineman. 4 year starter in the MIC. Can you say that about your guy at 3A?

If all you see is stats, then you see football at a superficial level. Curry played defense, offense and a number of special teams and had impact at all 3. Teams did run away from him...and he constantly had double teams. The young man played on offense as needed at fullback, wingback, TE and on the offensive line. Who else at those number of positions. Defensively at DE, DT and at times LB. Name one other player that has been asked to play and be impactful at some many different positions. Crazy part...4 year starter...playing in the MIC. Who else?? And as a lineman! Total disrupter. There is no better all around player in the state. But I believe most of us accept that the award historical goes to offensive players. Its not right, but it is what it is.....

The MIC press release used those words, pointing toward the words used by the media. I have yet to find a source that ties those words being used by Carmel and CG. Bottom line, the MIC member schools were scorned and that is the language they used. Not the 2 schools. Does improving school economics and raising competition and opportunities for student athletes not mean anything? Carmel and CG dominated sports such as tennis, golf, cross country, softball, soccer, swimming, baseball, etc. Then the post season would come, and sometimes results weren't as good. (exception Carmel girls swimming) These schools realize playing tougher competition in the conference improves team performance overall. I've sat in the football stands over the years on a friday night and sometime could count visiting MIC fans on 2 hands. Worse Saturday morning. And football, like it or not, is a revenue sports that pays a lot of bills for the athletic department.

You know nothing about the incident, other than from the local media. You have no idea how that incident has been managed by the school and the athletic program. That incident has nothing to do with the decision that had been in the works for a long, long time. Selfish and arrogant...because they have to think about gate revenues to feed their program and providing better competition for a number of sports besides football. Ridiculous. You ignored my question? Was the MIC selfish and arrogant when they pushed out the Terre Haute schools to make room for 2 local Indy township high schools?? You are now doing nothing more than being a sh*t stirrer....and that's pretty darn low. At the end of the day, schools have to do what is best for them and their students. Period.

You are really reaching....schools leave conferences all the time. All the time. CG's decision to move has zero impact on their past and present accomplishments. The decision to leave was based on factors that go well beyond football. Was in a black mark on the MIC when they pushed out the Terre Haute schools to make room for local Indy schools?? At that time, the MIC did what was best for them, and now 2 schools are doing the same. Nothing more or less.

Slight revision….

People do it all the time on GID. Learn to ignore it if it bothers you. Nobody if forcing you to respond in the manner that you do. That is 100% under your control. And yes...I do understand the difference. No need to be condescending.

Thank you for making my point.....after all, you are the smartest guy on GID. You have serious issues dude....you are so ate up with not measuring up, it forces you to strike at people. But only behind a keyboard is my guess. SMH

The manner in which you disagree absolutely are personal attacks. Go back and read your responses. Foxbat disagreed with HHF in a very positive manner....not making it personal. Read his response and then with an open mind read yours. Not sure why the bitterness or why you feel the need to demean others having an opinion differently than yours. It really is a shame..... Forums are made to discuss, debate, and offering different perspectives. No one has to agree. They are opinions. Nothing more. Not sure why you take everything so personal, feeling the need to attack those that feel differently. Kind of character revealing actually.

Congrats to Bryce Young for winning the Heisman. Terrific year for the soph. Take Bryce Young off that team, and Bama is still pretty darn good. They would plug in another 4 or 5 star and keep going. Take Kenny Pickett off Pitt and where would they be??? He has the moxie to be a be a good pro QB....I guess we shall see........

It is the most "blah" name in professional sports..... Living in the area for years, they deserve an identity....WFT is not one. Used to love their band and their fight song. RFK back in the day during the Gibbs era was a rocking place. Let's just hope its better than the Cleveland Guardians....

I would have certainly put Cincy over UGA based over performance in conference championship games. I think UGA needs to prove themselves by playing Bama again. If they can't handle them, I'd rather see it in the semifinal than in the final. UGA is the only conference runner-up in the playoffs and the manner in which they lost their conference championship should have them at the bottom. UGA got waxed basically playing a home game in Atlanta. Would I have ND bump UGA? I would say no...same losses with ND playing one less game. While UGA's schedule was not overly impressive, I would rank it over ND. ND losing at home to Cincy and almost losing at home to Toledo still sticks in my head.

Temptation covered it most. Again, not saying I am right and you have a solid point about a body of work. Cincy did everything asked of them...they ran the table and beat a ranked team significantly in their conference championship. They are conference champions. Georgia played a decent schedule (not great) and got blown out in the conference championship game, hosted in Atlanta...not far from Athens. Got taken to the woodshed, and bare butt spanked. It was ugly. Based on that performance...they should have to prove why they are in the playoffs, and no better way that having to face the team that just slapped you around. I hate they are getting a pass for that lackluster performance with a conference championship at hand. That's why I put an undefeated team and conference champion ahead of them. Not saying that makes me correct...but that's my line of thought.

I didn't mean it negatively....Academies are amazing, but a very different college experience. Not for everyone. I see wanting to get his hands on the ball....but unless one is going pro....good to think about an education that is valued at $70K/year. Now, it has to be paid back with 5 years of military service....that's not for everyone. Also, Colorado Springs...while beautiful...is a long way from home. Regardless, I can only assume he made the best decision for him. Passing on playing in the Mountain West conference....and going to the venues of the teams the AFA plays had to be a tough choice.

No disagreement....I think he will have plenty of competition for in-state recruits. Back in their glory days, did they play in the old Orange Bowl? They used to fill that, but not sure the distance from Coral Gables. I am not sure how their resources compare. Perhaps the admin is making some promises.... https://247sports.com/college/miami/Article/Resources-key-for-Miami-Hurricanes-football-in-Mario-Cristobal-era-177718098/

Heltsey passing on Air Force for a D2 school says something. Military is not for everyone, regardless of the degree value. As a Greyhound alum (grad school) thrilled for the UIndy program to have these guys.

Now we are cooking with peanut oil.....now we are tracking. Appreciate the examples. Not sure I would call a school in Hamilton County outside of Central Indiana....maybe class size was more of a factor or bias in 2008, since both people are from Hamilton County. I'll study the 2005 players you mentioned. Yes, we agree that any year there will be debate among winners and those that are runner-up...but that is regardless where they are from. And that happens with Heisman winners, pro MVP's, etc. As we know, in most years it can be razor thin differences between winner and runner-up. It will be debated this year. Offensive stats vs all-around player. You and I differ to the extent voting coaches are biased and the reason for their bias. (assuming they are truly influenced) The Kiser win over Bell is one of the most hotly contested...and led to a change in voting process. Assuming bias, it had nothing to do with metro Indy location....that bias was small school voting going 10-0 in both 1 and 2A. In that case, the bias was size and size mattered. (in this case smaller) I don't believe you can state that because 60% of the winners since 1992 came from Metro Indy means automatic bias and the IndyStar is the reason. The most populated schools, with the largest rosters and the best overall programs come from central Indiana. I think there would need to be much more study about those individual Indy metro winners before that claim of bias is made and the IndyStar is the reason. (was there a truly more deserving individual?) But as you said, we don't have to agree...thanks again for the examples...something to chew on

I am not saying you are wrong....I guess I won't be surprised with either winner. I am riding the fence on this one. I just feel UGA was blessed to get the #3 seed....I thought the panel was kind.

I agree with your equation above. Well Mario is a U guy....I am sure he wants to return them back to what they were in their glory years. We all know they used to be a major power. I am guessing he will be a good recruiter in his home state..and this is the time to strike in Florida with both FSU and UF down as well. UCF is moving to the Big 12, and they will also be competition. I think I also read that Mario's mother is in poor health and she lives back in Miami...family may have also been a factor.