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Should kickoffs be allowed to be run out of the endzone?  I have seen kids try to make some crazy catches over the years to keep the ball in play.  

1 hour ago, Whiting89 said:

Sponsors should be able to pay for the cost of the webcast I’ve watched many games free via Facebook because of the generous sponsors from the city of whiting.

I agree, but I know about how much it cost a year to have a good webcast. And the money we would pay to watch the game goes to the school not the people doing the webcast

Eastern Kentucky has offered Daniel Weems

With last year most school charging for webcast to help make up some of the money they lost at the gate on tickets sale, and this year hopefully we will back to full stands.  Should schools this  year charge for webcast?

In truth I have no problem with if 

1. It is a good quality 

2.  If the people doing the game know what there are tanking about and have done some kind of homework or the teams.  

Also If a school is going to charge I would like to see them do a package deal for the season to go with the game by game purchase.

Just seen Sam Buras got an offer from Brown 

1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:

Agree. Tremendous advantage for Center Grove to not have to play an extra game potentially while Warren has three other MIC teams to contend with in their Sectional.

Same deal for the benefactor of this up in Sectional 3. Waltz to the Sectional title game while the other two duke it out on the other side.

Or CG had to play a team that has two weeks of rest and time to prep for a game 

4 hours ago, DanteEstonia said:

If I had my way, there would only be 4 Sectionals, but I'd combine your Sectionals 1&2, 3&4, 5&6, and 7&8 to form my Sectionals 1, 2,3 and 4.  

I have thought that  for years when 6A went to 32 teams 

25 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said:

Most recently they have not been in the same sectional either. IHSAA divides it up not strictly from South/North. You have to look at the overall view. I also gave another possible way to divide it up as well that had those 3 schools together. 

Very true the past few years they have not been in the same sectional, but you have to factor in that their have been 2 schools farther south that CG has been with

11 hours ago, Indiana Fan said:

I would bet this:

sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Merrillville, Hammond Central

Sectional 2: Chesterton, Elkhart, Penn, Portage

Sectional 3: FW Carroll, Homestead, Warsaw, Lafayette Jeff (Jeff is a tricky one to position)

Sectional 4: Noblesville, Westfield, HSE, Fishers

Sectional 5: Pike, Zionsville, Brownsburg, Avon

Sectional 6: Ben Davis, Perry Meridian, Southport, Tech

Sectional 7: Carmel, North Central, Lawrence North, Lawrence Central

Sectional 8: Warren central, Franklin Central, Center Grove, Columbus North

Why would you put CG with WC when Perry and Southport  are about 15 min away

34 minutes ago, DT said:

Imagine a Chesterton vs Jeffersonville or Laf Jeff vs Floyd Central 5a title game

Or northrup vs Columbus North 

Why would I want to see teams with just barely winning records play for state titles. The more you add class the more you water down what you have.  

You all do know CG would be still in 6A not seven with your 16 team split,

What are the best, worst or most unique stadium you have been to?  It can one that does exist now or was bad but had been updated.

In truth I think a factor of lack of coach’s is more factor teams have more coaches then a lack of people wanting to coach.  When I was in high school the freshmen team had 3 coach’s maybe 4 now I seen 6 to 7 just for the freshman, and for varsity and JV I will CG for any example because it where I went and I know how many I had when I played 25 years ago  we had 6 to 8 coach’s total it depended on the year and now  you might find that many coach’s just on one side of the ball.  I truly believe their people out their the want to coach and are teachers,

If add up all the sports in the fall and band, with other clubs and extracurricular activities you are to find they theirs is a lot teachers coaching just not in football then add the Winter sports coach’s  that are working on stuff for thier teams that is a good chuck of teachers coaching or doing other activities in the school.  
 

football 20

Vollyball 4

cross country  4 

soccer 8

golf 2 

tennins 3

band  4

That is a lot of positions to fill,  I also think a factor is coach only coach 1 sports now where years ago the head football would also be the head wrestling coach and head track coach.  With sports become more year round coach’s are also becoming more specialist in one sport

9 hours ago, US31 said:

 

I'm a fan of the HS OT model.  If people believe there should be discussion about whether the OT should start on the 10 yl or 15 or 20, maybe that is worth discussion.  But if the goal is short and simple, having OT start at the 10yl with line to gain being the GL...it can't get much simpler and quicker.  I don't think the vast majority of HS kickers are good enough to warrant moving back further to start an OT possession.

If you where to move it back I would say the 15.  If you do not gain a yard it would 32 FG I think most high school kickers can make that.  I think it would interesting to see what a coach would do at 4 and 1 at the 6, do you go for it or kick 

47 minutes ago, Bullhorn99 said:

How would it be a nightmare? What part of classification would be more complicated that the current set up if it were a staggered 2 year 4 year approach? (honestly asking here--not trying to be argumentative)

Sorry if I was unclear I was saying if you reclassified ever 2 and success factor over 4 might be a little tricky nightmare might a bit much.   I just think it would work more smoothly  if have have them on  same page of 4 years

What are a few on field rules that would to change or altered?

1 pass interference i like to see it change to a spot foul.

2 international grounding I would like to see it called more like college and pro.  
 

3 on kickoffs let the kids if they choice to play it out of the endzone and this a bigger point to this if the receiving team touch the ball in trying to field it and it goes to the endzone it should be a live ball the kicking team should be able to recover it.

5 hours ago, Bullhorn99 said:

I think people say that the success factor calculations need to be over a 4 year period of time. Following it over the years, I would guess that significant population shifts happen quickly enough that waiting 4 years to reclassify would simply be too long. 

I get what you are saying and understand it,  but from a planning stand point do one ever 2 years and the other 4 could be a nightmare.  I fell it should all be done in the same time frame.  I do understand their is a big difference between being at  the top of 5a and the bottom of 6a so I get why schools in this spots want every two years.  Or any of class and the top of a lower and bottom of the bigger class.  To most school this does not matter.

On 3/10/2021 at 6:36 PM, Bullhorn99 said:

I'm with you that enrollment figure for this year will be inaccurate,  in some cases wildly so, but what would be the solution to the problem? Using old enrollment numbers would in a number of cases be just as inaccurate right? (Given the rapid growth in some areas of the state and the rapid decline in other areas). Just putting it out there as a topic for discussion and generation of ideas.

People have said that this need to be a 4 year deal and not 2.  So why not try it and see what it looks like.  We all know the number this year are going to messed up this yeas so let us try the 4 year plan.

On 2/20/2021 at 5:18 PM, Indiana Fan said:

Greenwood’s enrollment is actually declini

not surprising 

2 hours ago, Staxawax said:

We've discussed "Indy Area" before and settled on Marion and all the doughnut counties (touching Marion) around it. That would certainly include Franklin. New Pal is fast growing so maybe in 10 years or so?  And there have been rumors of a 3rd school in the Hamilton Southeastern district. 

7 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Yes I know. This was only based off @crimsonace1 numbers he provided earlier on in the thread. It'll be very interesting to see which schools make the "cut" and which do not. Columbus North (2,090), Tech, Chesterton, Laf Jeff, Hammond Morton, Warsaw, Laf Harrison, FW Northrop, Valparaiso, Merrillville and Whiteland (2,022) are all within 100 students in his estimate he provided. Any 6 of those 11 could end up in 6A and depending which ones will obviously greatly affect the layout and groupings.

In the estimate from @crimsonace1 numbers, 19 of the 32 teams would be in the Indy Metro area, so 59%. To get to 75%, there would have to be 24 of the 32 teams. Looking at the highest enrollments in 5A, the only ones from the Indy Metro area would be Whiteland (2,007), Decatur Central (1,818), and Plainfield (1,744). Stretching further out you could include Anderson (1,786) and Franklin (1,582), but I do not personally consider those cities part of the Indy Metro area. Personally I feel like it will be closer to the later side of your statement as schools like Greenfield-Central, Mooresville, and Greenwood are still in 4A and 500+ student enrollment away from sniffing 6A.

Whiteland could get into the 6a picture very soon, Franklin is a maybe and if they do it will be a while and greenwood will never be higher then 5a.  You see Greenwood school is district is just the not that big, where as Whiteland and Franklins are

After a year where most of us have watched many football games and  basketball games on webcast.   I got to thinking who had the best one who where so bad that you felt you paid to much more.  If i have to pay for it their should be some doing some kind of play by play.    I am also not here to criticize any kids that are trying to play by play or color,  if are are professional in doing it.  

1 hour ago, IndplsCathedral_Dad said:

Completely agree, why would CG want to stop playing a traditionally rich program like Cathedral.  Especially with the competitiveness over 9 game series.

1991  Cathedral 51  CG 12

1992  Cathedral 21  CG 22

2014  CG 44  Cathedral 38

2015  CG 7  Cathedral 0

2016  CG 44 Cathedral 41 (OT) 

2017  Cathedral 21 CG 14

2018  CG 34 Cathedral 7

2019  Cathedral 14  CG 9

2020 CG 17 Cathedral 14

 

You can delete my previous post that is incomplete with information.

You got the 92 game score backwards . I was a sophomore that year and I was on CG team and I am almost 100%  sure lost 

3 hours ago, HoopsCoach said:

I know that sounds like things would be better, but I am just not sure attendance and finances will go back to the way they were before the pandemic that easily.  Parents and siblings have been allowed to attend at the majority of schools.  Grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins, and friends have been cut out along with many casual fans within communities.  Those will be groups that are more difficult to get back.  Parents and siblings will always attend, but opening the gates may not be all that it takes to get many in those other groups to return.

Each of the 12 teams that played in the football state finals this year were allotted 3500 tickets.  I don’t think any of those schools sold their full allotment.  There were plenty of seats available that were not sold to the biggest event of the season.  Maybe more general admission tickets would have been sold if the tickets were good for more than a single game, but I think many people stayed at home to be safe.  That will be a hard trend to reverse by simply opening the gates.

Just this week, the boys basketball hall of fame tournament at New Castle featured 3 schools that all have huge fan support and a 4th school that has a lot of appeal to casual basketball fans that want to see a Mr. Basketball candidate (at least 3 legitimate candidates played in the tournament).  New Castle had plenty of tickets available to the general public (advertised 650) and didn’t sell anywhere near that many.  It should have been the most financially successful tournament in years, but they didn’t even sell out with the reduced capacity.  Even if they had opened the gates to everyone, a lot of people would have stayed home.  I’m not debating whether that is the right or wrong decision because that is their choice.  I just think it is going to be hard to get many of those fans back when a lot of them are older fans that will be reluctant to return based on their own health risks.  That will be a hard demographic or age group to replace, just like it is with officials.  New, young officials aren’t replacing the older officials that retire fast enough to keep up, resulting in the current shortage.  The same trend may occur with fans as a result of the pandemic.  Younger casual fans will not replace the older casual fans that choose to stay home when the gates are open to all again.

Another factor that will play a role in attendance numbers is the availability of live streaming.  If live streams continue to be available, many of those extended family members and casual fans in the community will choose to watch online from the comfort of their home rather than go to the game until this era is long into the rear-view mirror.  They may come back eventually, but I think it is going to take a more deliberate effort by the schools and possibly the IHSAA to reverse that trend.  It will be interesting to see if the IHSAA leads the way in trying to bring fans back, or if they will continue to push the live streaming options for their own financial gain.

I would be surprised if we ever see an all-day general admission ticket to the football or basketball state finals ever again.  I will miss that.  Single game only ticket sales will drive more of those casual fans to select the more affordable and hassle free live streaming options if they are available.  I will always prefer the live experience, but the cost is certainly a factor at those big events.

I believe Center grove sold all of their tickets if they did’t it was not by much

i have talk before about having something like the acc/big ten challenge with the Mic and HHC, you could do with with any conference, it would help with scheduling and with out add more teams to a conference

I was disappointed in Westfield crowd I would have though they would have had more people their then they did