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But he can be downfield blocking on a "screen" pass...correct? That is the specific question asked in the original post.

Throwing a ball away to nothing instead of taking the sack, taking a knee, or becoming a runner quite literally is ..... Too many white hats throw this part away when making the call...."well he didn't gain an advantage". Excuse me....2 & 10 is an advantage over 2 & 15. I'd also argue with the premise of the question posed...."he rolls right and gets free of the rush"....but can't continue upfield or out of bounds due to his ankle?? If an offense can't play a healthy QB, or protect him as a passer...the white hat shouldn't be using a conservative view of IG to protect them for loss of ANY yards or time. This is 100% gaining an advantage to avoid a negative yardage play. Its not hard for a QB to throw it at the feet of a receiver or over the head of one near the sideline. If the QB can't do either of those....congratulations to the defense for making it so. Dumping it into pasture is gaining an advantage with time or yards. :rant off:😀

Coach Eppley gonna hang 5 extra TD's on his alma mater?!?!? That's cold🤪

This is only out of curiosity.....does Penn accept out of district transfers? I haven't lived up north for a long time, but it would seem there would be some interest in people doing that.

Good catch...hadn't noticed that.

https://www.ihsaa.org/archive/b-baseball/Assignments20012003.htm Here is early 00's. Would still love to find something from mid 90s. I copied all the schools over 1,000 students. What is most interesting is how much disparity there is now....The difference between today's Top and bottom of 6A (Carmel & Valpo 5286-2054=3,232) is much larger than the total enrollment of BD in the early 00's. Rank School Students, Grades 9-11 1. Ben Davis 2771 2. Carmel 2597 3. North Central (Indianapolis) 2409 4. Warren Central 2285 5. Penn 2118 6. Pike 2012 7. Indianapolis Tech 1989 8. Lake Central 1982 9. Portage 1908 10. Lawrence North 1786 11. Indianapolis Arlington 1748 12. Terre Haute North 1639 13. Fort Wayne Northrop 1625 14. Hamilton Southeastern 1596 15. Valparaiso 1593 16. Lafayette Jefferson 1584 17. Center Grove 1551 18. Huntington North 1551 19. Lawrence Central 1548 20. Merrillville 1547 21. Kokomo 1509 22. New Albany 1482 23. LaPorte 1474 24. Fort Wayne Snider 1461 25. Michigan City 1422 26. Crown Point 1413 27. Warsaw Community 1400 28. Terre Haute South 1378 29. Homestead 1378 30. Richmond 1373 31. Perry Meridian 1363 32. Elkhart Central 1361 33. Bloomington South 1352 34. Chesterton 1352 35. Columbus North 1339 36. Indianapolis Northwest 1331 37. Jeffersonville 1323 38. Southport 1311 39. Indianapolis Broad Ripple 1307 40. Noblesville 1269 41. South Bend Riley 1264 42. Franklin Central 1243 43. Mishawaka 1239 44. Elkhart Memorial 1236 45. Marion 1224 46. Martinsville 1201 47. Indianapolis Manual 1199 48. East Chicago Central 1196 49. Bedford North Lawrence 1192 50. Evansville Harrison 1172 51. Anderson 1167 52. Evansville Reitz 1160 53. Castle 1156 54. Anderson Highland 1132 55. Evansville North 1130 56. Fort Wayne South Side 1118 57. Gary West Side 1110 58. Harrison (West Lafayette) 1107 59. Goshen 1092 60. Decatur Central 1084 61. Avon 1080 62. Bloomington North 1063 63. Floyd Central 1063 64. Brownsburg 1062 65. Jennings County 1061 66. Evansville Central 1049 67. Carroll (Fort Wayne) 1040 68. Columbus East 1034 69. Fort Wayne North Side 1025 70. South Bend Adams 1020 71. Concord 1016 72. McCutcheon 1015 73. Gary Wallace 1011 74. East Central 1003

Agreed, if anyone can find that...it would be interesting to look at.

I agree that part of this is the "decline of South Bend" (as well as other parts of Northern Indiana). But decline may not be the best term, it may be more of a lack of growth compared to suburban Indy. Enrollment data show's you some of the effects. In the 90's and early 00's Penn's enrollment was MUCH larger compared to the majority of Indy metro schools. Save a few big MIC schools. In the 90's, HSE was a single 3A school!! Penn is now very "middle of the pack" in size compared to MIC and HCC... Carmel High School 5286 Ben Davis High School 4499 Warren Central 3821 North Central 3727 Fishers 3509 Penn 3338 Lake Central 3316 Pike 3295 HSE 3273 Avon 3095 Noblesville 3001 6 schools over 2500 These are the currently used enrollment numbers by IHSAA...not necessarily the "actual" enrollments of those schools. I'd love to see mid 90's enrollment numbers but don't have the time to look. Penn doesn't have a size advantage in 6A. Further, the metro schools that have caught up in size, now have a much better "competition advantage" than Penn does in the NIC. MIC and HCC schools play "Penn's" every week. How often does Penn play near peer competition? Hat's off to Coach Y and Penn trying to fill their schedule with stiffer competition such as Cathedral. Its very hard for a large school outside Indy Metro to find the quality of competition that the larger Indy Metro schools enjoy on a regular basis. I'd also argue there is a larger "pool" of quality coaches in the Indy Metro area. Staff's change and get shaken up regularly. A quality coach can easily begin coaching at other programs without changing their address or where their own kids go to school. This is much different in other parts of the state, where changing coaching jobs/filling coaching jobs may require someone moving the whole family.

It was common in Indiana 10 years ago (give or take), for teams to use "alternate" jerseys. Either the rules changed or schools were called out with an "emphasis" and I have not seen it anywhere recently.

I would argue that I did not see any change in grounding or man downfield calls. As a defensive guy, I appreciate the effort...but am not holding my breath.

Just curious what tweeks, changes the actual officials think would improve IHSAA football? This can be rule changes, enforcement changes, etc....really, anything that has to do with your job description between the start and end of the game?

Currently the games are blocked out at 3.5 hour intervals (4 hour intervals this year) So it has been Noon/330pm/7pm. So using 2019 kickoff times, you'd have to add either an 830am or a 1030pm game. OR you bump everything back an hour and have a 930am/1pm/430pm/8pm schedule. The 930am kickoff teams are gonna have to travel the night before. If they are Indy metro, you are still getting kids up VERY early to meet at school, do your check/meeting, bus to LOS and be ready for a 930am kick. And anyone who's watched a lot of State games knows that evening game usually doesn't kick off on time. I'm not saying its impossible....just harder to do 4 games in one day. Especially if you are the early game. If you had two classes with Bye's....which should be doable if you had an 8 class system. Then playing two games the weekend before could be an option. Those classes would be a "week" ahead of the other classes (e.g. they would be playing "regional" games when the classes with more schools would be playing "sectionals") Its all up to whether or not the IHSAA & LOS would want to do this. And again, I'm not sold on the need for it.....but if you wanted to go beyond 6 classes, you'd need to figure this out.

I'm not totally against "more" classes....but it will never happen unless you can figure out a way to realistically have more than 6 State Championship games at LOS on Thanksgiving Weekend....7AM game??? 11pm Game?? Play on Thursday (National Holiday)??? Sunday (Colts will often play)??. Otherwise you will need to "stagger" your tournament....and have some games the weekend before. Or not have games at LOS....which will be the least likely option. I don't think the IHSAA is keen to any of the above.

This....people that aren't familiar with North Central Indiana don't realize what a Frankenstein's monster the NIC has become. Penn and Elkhart really don't "fit" anymore. I think several members of the current NIC would welcome a move by P & E to the DAC. Here...I'll start the hashtag #PandE2DAC

While I don't know the DAC scheduling practices....A lot of schools/conferences play their JV and/or Freshman games on Saturdays. What happens to them? The goal of high school football scheduling isn't to create a great spectator sport (its a nice by product of good football and great community support). I just don't see how this advances the issue you are trying to champion...getting a big region school to LOS. Its a side topic to an interesting conversation about making the DAC football more on par with MIC/HCC/SAC etc. Respectfully....I've been fortunate to coach in a very good conference on some very successful teams....being over our heads is most assuredly not the issue. The issue is what allows our entire program to most successful from week to week, and playing our best football in October and November. I suspect it would be VERY rare to find big school coaching staff who would WANT to play a full afternoon game on a Saturday for a regular season opponent.

As a Coach.....hard pass on Saturday double headers during the regular season. Nothing would be worse than playing the late game and then having to turn around and prepare for next weeks opponent.

With respect I don't think reducing the big 3's chances is at all what he is talking about. I think he's talking about removing more of the 6A schools that will always have LESS of chance, and putting them into 5A. This limits 6A to just the schools that have MORE of a chance against the big 3 based on enrollment. Those may sound like the same thing to some, but to me they are different and I don't think that is being recognized.

Covid bait!!🤪 Well done @Rudy

Thread completely derailed in 2 hours by one post🤪

I disagree.....I still get to do that🤪

Yes, but that is different that "giving up" a play that would be a 6 yard loss (sack) by dumping the ball away for no loss. Apples and Oranges. In your example he is looking to gain an advantage (the clock running) by doing so, not avoid a loss. Being unable to protect your QB, shouldn't be fixed by giving the offense and easy out. You adjust your play calling or have your Q drop to a knee if you you're afraid for his life.

Was it the 10-10 Michigan game? I was there too....

I'm a fan of the HS OT model. If people believe there should be discussion about whether the OT should start on the 10 yl or 15 or 20, maybe that is worth discussion. But if the goal is short and simple, having OT start at the 10yl with line to gain being the GL...it can't get much simpler and quicker. I don't think the vast majority of HS kickers are good enough to warrant moving back further to start an OT possession.

I would classify every two (as we do now) but based on a "rolling 4 year" amount of SF points. I think that is what others might be suggesting as well.

Would be more valid if you averaged the win% for football with win% for basketball. As you have them listed, it gives greater weight to basketball performance as they play more games.