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1 minute ago, HHF said:

Basketball is in the process of eclipsing football as the premier sport in The MIC.  

I'm not totally going to disagree with you on this.

On 6/11/2022 at 8:52 AM, temptation said:

By 2030, the current MIC 6 schools (save for North Central in a few sports and BD/WC football) will be the equivalent of the current IPS athletic programs.

Don Carlisle is building a monster in the Ben Davis boys basketball program. 

On 6/13/2022 at 10:14 AM, Footballking16 said:

I think Brownsburg is better than both Warren and BD but you'd have to be crazy at this point to trust Brownsburg in an elimination game. 

And yet Brownsburg is dropping Ben Davis after this year.

I've been watching this thread. I don't have much to add. I think a lot of the narrative around Warren Central sounds like the BD narrative in the late 2000's. Kirschner came in in 2007 after Tom Allen left. People were talking about diminishing returns on the Westside. 

BD went 7-4 in 2007 losing to Pike in the Sectional. In 2008, the Giants went 10-4 losing to CG in the Semi-State. They were highly-ranked in 2009, but the season unraveled quickly and the Giants finished 5-5. They were 6-4 in 2010 and people like Driven T and folks were writing the obit of the program. In 2011, Kirschner took a team with a former FB at QB to the Regional Championship Game against undefeated Carmel. Matt Brock set a new one-year passing record that year. Of course, then came the Kyle Castner years. 2012, 2013, and 2014...then the Reese Taylor years in 2015, 2016 and 2017. The 2017 team was one of the best ever to play in Indiana.

So, yeah, things ebb and flow in large programs. Sustained success is not a guarantee any more. 

Coaching changes and things are not really that surprising either to me. Kirschner wants people who work at his speed and who have his commitment. He's going to do things right, and he wants coaches that do too. I respect the man tremendously, and it may take some time, but Warren will succeed under him.

As far as why they're dropping CG, I have no idea. Those things happen for a number of reasons. It's my understanding that Coach Simmons doesn't want to drop CG at BD. Anyway...that's my 42 cents.

Let's not forget that Avon has had some issues in the Athletic Department that have resulted in a change of leadership. I'm sure that might have something to do with the state of things on Oriole Way.

1 hour ago, Trojanmp52 said:

With us having a few years with the mercy rule now,  what are people thoughts on it and how it helping or hurting the game?

my two cents for what it is worth is in playoffs love it the way it is.  Regular season not so much as the way it is now.  This is how I would like to see it change.

1. Change the points from 35 to 42 at half, but still keep it at 35 for the 4th

2 have a different mercy rule for each class or group like 1-4 and 5-6 and I would be ok with making 1-4 the way we have it now and 5-6 the way I have above.  I know it will asked what about a team in class 4 plays a team in 5 what do you do with different mercy rules?  My though would be you go with the lower class school rule since I am basing this on my idea on team size and kids that would get to play

3 no mercy rule for freshman and Jv games  those games are already shorter 
 

 

No need to make it more complex than it needs to be. I have seen both sides of the coin. If you get down 35 in the second half, that's plenty. Let's get it over with. 

https://district.wayne.k12.in.us/2022/05/23/ben-davis-high-school-athletic-director-to-retire-june-30/

Congratulations to John Clark. He came to Ben Davis in 1972 and has served in a number of roles in the classroom and outside of the classroom. For the last 20 years, he's been the AD or Assistant AD at BDHS. I wish him the best retirement he can have! I'll cherish our conversations about teaching and about mentoring students.

16 minutes ago, HHF said:

Lets assume that eventually the voters approve the funding needed to fix the schools.

When you make a decision, go big (one mega school) or small (multiple 3A size schools.)

Im suggesting that the smaller school model would fit the community better and serve its long term academic and athletic interest more suitably.  

 

That's fair.

On 5/20/2022 at 5:18 PM, HHF said:

Terre haute will not build a mega 6A type high school.  They are already on an island and a mega school would further isolate them from their neighbors and force them into independence.  Enrollment is dropping and eventually both THS and THN will be approaching 4A status, with puts them in line with the other 3a and 4A schools in the area and likely WIC membership.  

You continue to look at this through a high school sports prism. The issue won't be whether or not they are isolated or want to fit into a conference. It will be funding and whether or not they can afford, as a district, to keep all the schools they have open with less funding.

1 hour ago, wvigo13 said:

The school corp's referendum on the ballot last week failed by a massive margin. It was supposed to raise property taxes and bring in over $200M so the corporation could renovate the 3 high schools. That failed so who knows what happens now. I've heard from people around the city they wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with 1 massive high school. Another was combining West Vigo/Terre Haute North into one high school. I'm not sure what happens. I'm not a big fan of the massive high school idea. I don't wanna see WV go away.

I'd hate to see it too.

On 5/16/2022 at 3:49 PM, HHF said:

ADs and Admins would rather get beaten to a pulp week after week than lose football revenue and deep six their entire athletic budget.  It is what it is.  

Looking forward, we have a new generation of admins who are considerably less sportsminded, often times more female, and will likely be more willing to pull the plug on football than would their predecessors.  

Three of the best AD's I've ever worked with have been women. Alice Underwood at Franklin Central, Priscilla Dillow and Heather McGowan at Ben Davis

I think the Terre Hautes are an interesting topic. Do you really think they'll further split into another school? More likely they'll consolidate into one school. I don't want to have to figure out which ones survive, but I think this is much more the trend in these communities rather than splitting into another 3A.

20 hours ago, Warren Central Warrior said:

Warren Central got the very short end of the stick here. I don't see the Warriors winning state until 2024

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

20 minutes ago, HHF said:

Ive updated the HHF cover photo in your honor

https://www.facebook.com/Hoosier-High-School-Football-107360041590757/

Hard for a Highland guy to put up Giants Stadium. Much appreciated.

2 minutes ago, HHF said:

You crack me up Jon.

I'm glad you took it in the appropriate way.

14 hours ago, temptation said:

You:  “I have this feeling he's gotten way in over his head.”

Me:  “But he’s already been applauded as one of the two best incoming freshmen on the roster.”

You:  “He appears to be doing well.”

Temptation and HHF/DT get into a spat. 

2 hours ago, HHF said:

Not sure if Curry's body is going to fill out to the NFL standard .  He's quite lean.  Reminds me a lot of another highly recruited CG DE who upon closer scrutiny was a little on the smallish side.

 

 

Curry's skills and instincts are among the best I've seen in a high school situation. Plenty of time to fill out. 

34 minutes ago, HoosierFB_JG said:

I spent the early part of my teaching career at Pike and worked closely with John Clark, Athletic Director at Ben Davis. Two of his grandchildren were killed this past weekend in Owen County. Somber situation at the funeral home today and a lot of athletic departments from all over Central Indiana here today. Please say a prayer for the Clark and Driver families. 

It was a very tragic situation. The story is absolutely heartbreaking. 

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/family-releases-identity-of-indianapolis-siblings-killed-in-campground-accident-how-you-can-honor-them/

9 hours ago, HoosierFB_JG said:

TY!

No problem.

20 hours ago, temptation said:

Pretty sure you just did, lol.

Not sure what you mean here. I'm Jon Easter. Good to meet you.

On 4/17/2022 at 12:15 AM, HoosierFB_JG said:

I was at this meet today. Whoever Ben Davis has as their announcer should be working at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, not at a high school track meet. Anyone know if he’s a teacher at the school?

That's Aaron Pitman. He has been a finalist for a number of professional PA jobs (most recently the Pacers and the New Jersey Devils). He announces for BD, North Central, Anderson, and several other schools. It's what he does, and he is really good. Thanks for noticing. I'll pass this along to him.

The Center Grove series has gotten away from BD in the last few years, no question.  But the BD/Carmel series remains extremely tight.

The series was 10-9 Carmel at the founding of the MIC. So, since 1996, it's 15-14 BD. Since 2000, the series is 12-12.

50 minutes ago, Coach_K said:

I think it would be cool to do the 2 games, and my solution would be at the college fields.  Sure you might not get IU or PU, but there are a lot of smaller schools ISU, Butler, Ball State, not to mention D2, D3 and NAIA schools. 

Obviously, this would be dependent on their seasons/playoffs as well.

High school fields would be cheaper since you wouldn't need to rent the field. That might be a thought. Also, some capacities of small college fields might be under what some high schools in Indy could provide.

I'd be fine with neutral sites for Semi-State. Pretty easy to find 12 good sites. You could still end up hosting I guess if your team is really good since this would likely be set in the offseason.

Esezi Otomewo from Ben Davis was there.

17 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

With the enrollment numbers posted, and the statement from the meeting notes of "Point totals from 2020-21 and the current school year will be used to determine Tournament Success Factor movement." (meaning Cathedral will get bumped up to 6A) - here is my stab at 6A Sectional assignments. The biggest issue? There are 9 schools north of U.S. Route 24, so at least 3 schools will have to be brought "north" to make up at least 3 of the sectional groupings. My guess? Obviously Lafayette Jeff, but also Westfield and Noblesville.

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff, Lake Central, Portage
Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Warsaw, Westfield
Sectional 3: Carroll, Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop
Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton Southeastern, Zionsville

Sectional 5: Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Pike
Sectional 6: Arsenal Tech, Perry Meridian, Southport, Warren Central
Sectional 7: Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central
Sectional 8: Center Grove, Columbus North, Franklin Central, Jeffersonville

The North Sectionals are all crazy now. No telling what the IHSAA will do. I like your effort. I was stumped up north. Geographically this makes sense in the south.

4 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

With 6A, it's a matter of trying to figure out what they're going to do with Jeff & the Fort Wayne-area schools. There are 9 schools in Northern Indiana, Jeff is on an island, and then six in the Hamilton County/Zionsville cluster. The south is pretty cut-and-dried. 

1: Lake Central, Portage, Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff
2: Elkhart, Penn, Warsaw, Carroll
3. Homestead, Northrop, Westfield, Noblesville
4: Carmel, Zionsville, HSE, Fishers

OR 
1: Lake Central, Portage, Crown Point, Elkhart
2: Penn, Warsaw, Northrop, Carroll
3: Homestead, Noblesville, HSE, Fishers
4: Westfield, Zionsville, Carmel, Lafayette Jeff

 

5: North Central, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, Cathedral
6: Pike, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Avon
7: Tech, Warren Central, Southport, Perry Meridian
8: Columbus North, Jeffersonville, Center Grove, Franklin Central

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