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1 hour ago, LAKER54 said:

I teach US history, government, Indiana Studies, psychology and AP psychology.....while being the boys and girls varsity track coach

Understand - but we're asking about Head FOOTBALL coaches. 

41 minutes ago, CoachPeo said:

I taught Economics and Us History when I was a head coach.  You show up early to make sure you have grading/ lessons finished.  You can manage just fine. Now as an administrator, I want my coaches to be full time teachers.  I believe that good coaches are great teachers.  If you cannot teach how can you be a good coach?  Coaching and teaching are very similar if you cannot teach the game you will fail as a coach, if you can not deliver content you will fail as a teacher.  

   As far as competing with others that do not have the same teaching load, it definitely is an advantage for them.  They have more time for game planning, reviewing film, meeting with players etc.  Not that that always leads to more success, but they have more time to devote to coaching.

So you recognize that you may be putting your Coach and football program at a disadvantage? And you are OK with that/? 

1 hour ago, Wedgebuster said:

Now, I do agree that great coaches are GREAT teachers, and if I was a principal, I would want those coaches contributing to the academic development of kids.  But the time requirements of a classroom teacher inevitably make it more difficult to do all the things that a successful football program now requires.   So how do schools strike a balance?   

1 hour ago, Wedgebuster said:

Piggy back question.............how do schools navigate this?   Some schools will jump all in and put a football or basketball coach in a job that doesn't require much of their time outside the school day.  Other schools or principals don't want to show an bias and are very careful to make sure that the football coach isn't shown any favors as far as a teaching load.    

2nd question, how does the football coach that is teaching Geometry, writing tests, writing lesson plans, grading, etc. compete with the coach who doesn't have any of those things on his plate?   Is it fair to compare those two coaches to each other in terms of success on the field?  

Essentially the purpose/motivation behind this thread. Was interested in what was all out there for Head Coaches.... 

1 hour ago, foxbat said:

When Coach O'Shea was at LCC, he taught math. 

I recall, growing up, that almost all of my high school coaches for football taught classes other than PE/gym/health.  I think we had a total of three that taught PE and/or health.  The rest taught speech, government, history, English, and had one that taught honors biology and advanced biology teacher.

Definitely think it's beneficial/advantageous having coaches within the school system - but I was asking about positions for HEAD coaches. I'm sure there is plenty of assistants that teach a number of subjects. 

Was just curious as to what else was out there. I think every HEAD coach in my conference (PAC) has a PE/Strength position or an administrative role. 

What are some "creative" positions that have been formed in the schools to fit a coach in?? Those sometimes make me chuckle ...

Stealing this from another thread I was reading through...(below is copy/pasted response that got me thinking of this)

Are most Head Football Coaches around the State PE and/or Strength teachers?? Or have "other administrative" roles within the school.  Is being a "classroom teacher" and trying to be the head football coach a thing of the past?? Seems like with all the academic hoops/rigors to jump through, it may well be just that.  Curious as to how many examples there are out there and other subjects, besides Strength/PE, they might teach. (And don't jump down my throat with all the PE is a class too....I understand that, but for the purpose of this discussion, I'm asking for maybe more academic rigorous courses.)

"Most, not all, but most high school coaches teach as well as coach.   What is reasonable for a school to ask for as a time commitment from their Head Coach?  Couple hours a day for practice, then there is that flex time before and after so it ends up being more like 3 hours.  Then they have their commute.  With most of them teaching, they are likely to have some sort of lesson planning, test writing, grading time in their evening, then they have to make and eat dinner, practice planning for the next day, most will want to watch some film,  some staff to staff text and phone calls throughout the evening.  This is all before any parent or player issues are dealt with, youth league work is done, or any time is spent with family.  

That's not evening mentioning the weekend grind. Time with the varsity kids in film (which the coaches were up watching til 2 am the night before) and/or JV football on Saturday morning.  Maybe you get to collapse on the couch for a little while Saturday afternoon but then back to the film.  Sunday morning, film, church, lunch film, mow the lawn, change a light bulb, pay the bills, staff meeting in the evening, and getting ready to teach for the week, etc.  

Again, this is just in-season grind............lets not start on the off season. 

Seems like a lot to ask for the few thousand bucks that most coaches are paid at the HS level.  Is their any "fix" to this crazy work-life mix that coaches face today? "

I hope I'm not opening up a can of worms here...but would this situation been handled differently had it been at a public school? I get the "swept under the rug" type of feeling ...and maybe that was for the best for all involved. Just asking

On 12/18/2019 at 9:38 PM, oldtimeqb said:

Irishman referenced the first play of the game at the 8:35 mark of the video. Here is 2 and 7. Second play of the game. I certainly don’t see a plane drawn from the waist of the center through the other linemen. 
 

You can call it nitpicky, but if I think a team is pushing the limit to gain a competitive advantage, it would frustrate me.

I would rather you say ‘We’re not going to call it because they do it every play’ than try to tell me I’m not seeing what I am seeing. 

Can you expand on what advantage being so far behind the center would provide an OL?? More space to gain momentum on a run block? Easier to get to pulling lanes?? 

7 hours ago, Screagle said:

I would think both schools have their sights set on replacements. Harrison no surprise with that opening but Bosse has been playing better over the last couple seasons. 

Did I miss it somewhere on this thread or elsewhere?? Did the Bosse Head Coach resign?? I thought Coach Schnur (spelling?) was doing an outstanding job at Bosse with the hand he had been dealt??

Um...Roncalli ?? Not trying to get thread shut down, but any news on how they're going to handle that situation?? 

In our neck of the woods, Crawford might have trouble keeping its program afloat. 

Man- things sure did escalate quickly.

I wonder if the person who started this thread found the answers he/she was seeking. 

Bottom line- I’ve been involved in high school football for nearly 20 years...as a player, fan, and coach. It’s a great sport that teaches invaluable lessons to our youth. Yes, winning is the ultimate- but it’s not THE most important. Is everything ultimately fair?? Probably not( for the record, I believe P/P should all play up a class). But the IHSAA has refused to even consider or listen to any proposals in regards to P/P...no matter how many titles LCC, Chatard, or Cathedral pull in. So it ain’t gonna change, I don’t think ever. 

5 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

That's a very presumptive statement.  You have no idea how many of these kinds of situations exist at any particular school.  Maybe they don't exist much at certain P/P schools, but do at others.

To just make a blanket assertion like that is...well, let's just say it's akin to certain stereotypical attitudes that we've really been trying to exorcise from our society. 

Funny how that comment comes from a Memorial supporter. I had the chance as a high school student to do a student-council "swap" for a day in which Memorial was the school we "swapped" with. (They spent a day at ours, we spent a day at theirs). That day STILL sticks with me all these years later in regards to the P/P debate and just how different 2 similar sized schools could be. Hence the "wall the hallways" argument. 

3 minutes ago, Patriot 74 said:

All I know is Chatard had as many cheerleaders as we did football players!!!!  That in and of itself should be the proof that there are advantages!! 

Can't!!!!!!  They gotta go milk the cows, feed the hogs and split wood for the wood burning stove!!  No time for athletics!!

Or have to go work to support a one parent household. Or live with grandma/grandpa because mom/dad are out of the picture. Or don’t have the physical capabilities of participating. The list goes on and on- but P/P aren’t faced with many of these issues - hence the “walk through the hallways and then tell me there is not a difference” argument 

Its really that simple. 

8 hours ago, XStar said:

I think it's about this simple.  If you're going to private school, it's much more likely that you have a parent that cares about you enough to make you and your education a priority.  

Are there any private schools anyone knows of that have a program to send home food with some students on weekends because they know those kids are usually only fed on free/reduced lunch programs at school.  Parents that don't care enough to get them to school consistently or in condition to learn anything (aside from not being fed, also not coming to school well rested or with their personal hygiene attended to).  Some of these kids aren't coming to school with a chance to accomplish much of anything, let alone win state titles in various athletic events.  

Bottom line is that, on-average, the fact that a parent is willing to put their resources into sending their kid to a private school, whatever their reasons are, sadly means they have an advantage that a significant number of kids attending many public schools don't.  

 

.I think we finally agree on something! 

"Pretty simple really.

Socioeconomic factors. Walk down the hallways at a place like Chatard and/or Memorial or any P/P,  then walk down the halls of a public school with a high free/reduced and other factors that may not be ideal for extra-curricular participation. "

Pretty simple really.

Socioeconomic factors. Walk down the hallways at a place like Chatard and/or Memorial or any P/P,  then walk down the halls of a public school with a high free/reduced and other factors that may not be ideal for extra-curricular participation. 

I can’t believe it’s taken me this long to notice this (but sitting in the stands this weekend as opposed to being on sideline coaching...well I guess you just notice odd things such as these) 

At the end of the New Pal/Valpo game, we are trying to do some math calculations as far as timing/running off/our the clock and we noticed either just one of those “oddities” or perhaps a flaw in the play-clock/game clock system. 

When a team gets a first down, the game-clock stops to move the chains. However the 40 starts immediately when the play is over. I probably wouldn’t have noticed, but we all were trying to figure it out so we all had our eyes fixated on the clock...probably took about 10 seconds , or ate into 10 seconds of the 40 second playclock to get the chains set. 

I don’t know if I have a question here, it was just something I’d never really payed attention to.

Being from SW Indiana and a member of the PAC- I’ve tried to keep up with all the thoughts/predictions of this game thread. I keep hearing/reading about how this Chatard team is untouchable, they are unlike anything HH will have seen, etc...and while all of that may turn out to be true, I keep having one pervival thought keep running through my head and that is

Has any PAC team made a trip to the Dome or Lucas Oil and just got blasted or blown out of the water??? I don’t think so?(and I may be wrong- but I sure don’t seem to remember it)

So with that thought keep running through my mind- I don’t think it will be the blow-out many are expecting. 

Best of luck to the Pats- bring it home and have that 2 point play dialed up just in case- you never know 😜

11 hours ago, Bobref said:

Agreed, grabbing and restricting a pass receiver behind the line is holding.

Ok just so I’m clear- there is holding behind the line-of-scrimmage. But if the ball is thrown and in the air, and our LB just hits the intended WR or RB who is waiting on a screen- then no foul?? 

27 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said:

White got us a State Title in 2000 and win over Chatard at Franklin Central in 2004. Speaking of which, don't most Chatard fans believe the 2003 or 2004 teams were the best Trojan squads in the playoff era? 

For full transparency, I believe there is a general consensus that 2002, 2000, 1999 and the 1980 were best? HH squads were tops. The 1999 roster was better than the 2000, but key injuries particularly to Jon Goldsberry (Purdue/NFL) and a TE, other RB, and a few others made meeting up with Roncalli impossible.

Luckily, HH is at as close to full strength as possible this year. And HH does definitely have one of the best LBing corps in the state. A lineman who would start on any 6A team, and 2-3 position players who should make all-state. 

This is a physical HH team that has had defensive answers for passing teams. Again, all previous success against Chatard is to run at them and not allow their studs to flow. I expect a downhill attack and HH will take what it can get from special teams and the occasional Chatard mistake. Even the best teams make mistakes. It's the coaches and signal caller's jobs to try to exploit them. 

That 2002 HH team was NASTY. I don't like using the term "choked" because it's high school football...things happen. But man how that team didn't play for a State Title is beyond me. I know that Chatard had a pretty good squad that year, but that HH team was very good. As was 1999-2000 with the Kress boys/Goldsberry. Pretty good run of talent right there. 

As far as this years team/game this Friday - I can't really give an educated opinion as I have not seen Chatard play at all. I do know that this HH team has the ability to slow the game down/shorten possessions and generally won't beat themselves and will be sound in all phases of special teams. 

Is there pass interference BEHIND the line-of-scrimmage?? To my understanding, or what I have always known - is that behind the line-of-scrimmage, there is NO PI?? Meaning, a Defensive Lineman or Linebacker reads a screen, he has free reign to grab at the RB. Is this correct?? 

SMH - just when I thought we had put this nonsense behind us and you all could move on to focusing in on what would be a great back-to-back accomplishment, you just can't help yourself throwing jabs. 

If you think 2017 was a "moment-in-the-sun" or flash-in-the-pan for SR, then you haven't been paying much attention in the 2000s really. 

2002 - State Finalist (lose a close one to Luers, who was a juggernaut at the time)

2006- State Finalist (lost another close one - this time to Harding)

2007- Semi-State, lose to Heritage Christain

2008- Sectional Champs, lose a mud bowl in Regional

2009-2012 - Run into some VERY good MD teams who just happen to be in our sectional most years

2013 - Sectional Champs, lose in regional

2014 - Lose to MD in Sectional

2015-2016 - Spend some time up in 3A...make some Sectional Championships, but run into some very good Brownstown teams

2017 - Finally reach the mountain top

2018- Semi-State ...you all put it on us pretty humbling. 

Certainly not mind-boggling/blow you away run, but we're proud of it nonetheless. Most years not mentioned up there we spent dealing with a certain P/P in our neck of the woods that is known to be pretty good (MD). 

I really regret this back-forth, you all should spend your energy being exciting for another great season and potential State Championship. Best of luck this weekend. 

1 hour ago, Sargent Dangle said:

 

I mean the FRESHMAN even scored on South. LOL. They quit. They quit and wanted to go home.  You wont get thru to him 1st and Goal, I honest to god still got a Southridge guy who texts me and makes excuses about last years SS. I don't get it, they think its some sort of hotbed down there for football. I didn't go back and look but I believe Southridge has the only Title this decade(Southridge, HH,GS, whoever else gets looped in it). I hope HH wins a title this year, just so our "lower region" can get some confidence back.

Seriously it’s like talking to a brick wall with you WeBo folk...borderline childish/petty. 

Here’s the jist - 

1. Before last year, I hadn’t given 2 thoughts to the WeBo football program as it hadn’t been relevant for quite some time.

2. You all put it on us last year- plain and simple. Undefeated State Champs- was super impressed. 

3. From that time on, I’ve checked in on  WeBo this season as I knew they had quite a bit returning and a good chance to repeat. (I foolishly thought that would bring them up to 3A- but the system is flawed) 

4. A fan of yours starts throwing shade at another coaching staff and claims WeBo’s staff has WAY more class than others...hit the brakes for a second...I simply cited an example from the WeBo staff that could be seen by others as “laying it on”. I didn’t necessarily think too much of it at the time and still really don’t...we should have stopped it if we didn’t want to hear about it. I was just pointing out some may have seen it as unnecessary.

- I hope Chris or some moderators will shut this thread down soon as clearly there isn’t much more to be said. Best of luck in the State Championship 

13 minutes ago, 1st_and_10 said:

Are you talking about a 5 yard bubble pass our Freshman threw to another Freshman against your starters?  Because the last TD was a QB read and the freshman QB kept it and scored after a PF penalty that gave the Freshman a 1st down.  We kneed the PAT.  Lol.  
 

You’re a joke.  

Call it what you will- just responding to a comment you made about the “CLASS” when the score was 42-7 with under a minute to go in the ballgame. Like I said- careful throwing stones. 

Best of luck next week. 

24 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Why are those the “natural” pairings?  Chatard and Brebeuf have never been a consistent “natural” pairing. Chatard has been in the South forever.  Brebeuf bounces back and forth.

If we are truly worried only about (A) “natural pairings” then why go down the whole discussion path of  (B) “if you send....Brebeuf and Chatard south, then you’ll have people argue there is some kind of bias against the schools in the southern half of the state since they would have to go through the Indy parochial schools”?

So, which is it that determines these things?  Natural pairings (which seem natural only now but haven’t been the last 20+ years) or using Indy parochials like a missile to apparently punish the part of the State that gets stuck with them (paraphrasing of point “B”).

Per the comments above, apparently Tri-West (whoops, did I say that) was “biased” against the northern part of the State this time around when it pointed the Indy parochials North and we ended up with a 3A  South so that any team capable of walking and chewing gum concurrently from Sectional 29 (containing Tri-West, shockingly) has a free ride to Semistate.  

An aside.....but how is it just an accident that 7 of the Top 10 Sagarin ranked 3A schools somehow end up in Sectionals 28 and 32?  4 of the Top 6 in Sectional 28 which has NEVER been a “natural” geographic combination of teams in Sectional.  Brebeuf has not anytime recently shared a Sectional with West Lafayette although they have, at times, been North.  Now suddenly, West Lafayette, Brebeuf, Guerin and Chatard together are “only natural”?  But then, its been admitted that now the Indy parochials are simply a weapon to yield to punish the “losing”part of the state as regards the internal politics of playoff and Sectional structuring.    

BTW, anyone shedding crocodile tears about somehow disrespecting Sectional 30 teams who are the doormat to Semistate for the Sectional 29 winner can spare me.  I’ll save my tears for West Lafayette, Brebeuf (did I just say that?...must be nuts), Guerin, Gibson Southern and Southridge.  I have always hated the phrase “get better or get used to it” but it’s the best I can offer Sectional 30.

When it comes to the legitimizing of so much of the current playoff system and how the Sectionals have been determined - don’t think for a minute the rest of us believe there is some fundamental purity of intent there.   

 

Yes and yes. 

1 hour ago, 1st_and_10 said:

It’s etiquette or an unwritten rule.  We took 4 knees and turned it over in our territory.  I imagine there would be people complaining had we continued to run the ball or throwing the ball up 28.  I guess Coach Pelley and his staff have a little more class than most.

You mean like putting one in up 42-7 with under a minute to go in the ballgame?? 

Careful throwing stones. 

Didn’t watch the game but reading the thread I would agree that’s not great on TC’s part - but kuddos to you all for taking 4 knees (maybe the staff learned something after last years SS?) What the other team does is there decision, and they decided to play it out till the end. 

23 minutes ago, D3dream said:

Some of you people just love spitting on those kids and programs this year. Where was all this talk of weak sectionals for 1A-5A before? Newsflash I don't ever recall a sectional ever being under such scrutiny since I've been a member here. That's over a decade of following this forum. 

The gentleman was providing an explanation for alignment in class 3A and seemed knowledgeable on the subject- so I asked for him to explain what I felt was a discrepancy/mistake on the alignment committees part.